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2023-25 Emerging Riders CQ game

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And off we go...

Teams
43 teams: not the record, but higher than average, and than last year, so welcome to the new players.

I haven't worked on it yet, but I think the team similarity rankings will be very high. I guess that means that all 18 picks will matter, and that lots of us will be in the running for a long time. Maybe.

So here they are:
Alvarakas
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BRENNER Marco
DE POOTER Dries
FANCELLU Alessandro
GREGOIRE Romain
HAYTER Leo
LÜHRS Luis-Joe
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
ROMEO ABAD Ivan
SVRCEK Martin
SYRITSA Gleb
TARLING Joshua
TRONCHON Bastien
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VANDENABEELE Henri

Amis Velo
BRENNER Marco
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HEIDUK Kim *
MIHKELS Madis
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PLOWRIGHT Jensen
PONOMAR Andriy
RICCITELLO Matthew
ROMEO ABAD Ivan
STEINHAUSER Georg
SVRCEK Martin
SYRITSA Gleb
TARLING Joshua
TRONCHON Bastien
VANDENABEELE Henri

Anderis
CHRISTEN Jan
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HERZOG Emil
HESSMANN Michel
LEONARD Michael
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MORGADO Antonio
ONLEY Oscar
RYAN Archie
SEGAERT Alec
SYRITSA Gleb
TARLING Joshua
THOMPSON Reuben
VAN EETVELT Lennert

Armchair Cyclist
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HESSMANN Michel
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
NABERMAN Tim *
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
RYAN Archie
STEINHAUSER Georg
TARLING Joshua
THOMPSON Reuben
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VANDENABEELE Henri

Berflamand
BRENNER Marco
CHRISTEN Jan
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
LÜHRS Luis-Joe
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
RYAN Archie
SEGAERT Alec
STEINHAUSER Georg
SVRCEK Martin
TARLING Joshua

Blues in the Bottle
BRENNER Marco
DRIZNERS Jarrad *
GERMANI Lorenzo *
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAYTER Leo
HESSMANN Michel
JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
ONLEY Oscar
PLOWRIGHT Jensen
SVRCEK Martin
TARLING Joshua
THOMPSON Reuben
VAN DIJKE Tim
VERCHER Mattéo
VERGALLITO Luca *

Bminchow
BRENNER Marco
Christen Jan
Gloag Thomas
Gregoire Romain
HAYTER Leo
LEONARD Michael
Martinez Lenny
Mihkels Madis
MIHOLJEVIC Fran
Onley Oscar
RICCITELLO Matthew
ROMEO ABAD Ivan
Ryan Archie
STEINHAUSER Georg
Svrcek Martin
Tarling Joshua
Thompson Reuben
VANDENABEELE Henri

Comodoro
EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian
GREGOIRE Romain
HAYTER Leo
MIHKELS Madis
MIHOLJEVIC Fran
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
PIGANZOLI Davide
PITHIE Laurence
PLOWRIGHT Jensen
POOLE Max
QUICK Blake
SVESTAD-BAARDSENG Embret *
SVRCEK Martin
SYRITSA Gleb
THOMPSON Reuben
VAN EETVELT Lennert

Cordi
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BRENNER Marco
CHRISTEN Jan
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HERZOG Emil
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
SEGAERT Alec
STEINHAUSER Georg
TARLING Joshua
TRONCHON Bastien
VAN EETVELT Lennert

Devil's Elbow
BAUDIN Alex
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HERZOG Emil
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
POOLE Max
RYAN Archie
SEGAERT Alec
SVRCEK Martin
TARLING Joshua
THOMPSON Reuben
VAN EETVELT Lennert

DJSprtsch
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BAUDIN Alex
BURATTI Nicolo *
BUSATTO Francesco
DINHAM Matthew
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAYTER Leo
MIHKELS Madis
ONLEY Oscar
PLOWRIGHT Jensen
QUICK Blake
RYAN Archie
STEINHAUSER Georg
SVRCEK Martin
SYRITSA Gleb
THOMPSON Reuben
TRONCHON Bastien

DJW
DE POOTER Dries
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAYTER Leo
HESSMANN Michel
JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
PITHIE Laurence
PLOWRIGHT Jensen
RYAN Archie
TARLING Joshua
THOMPSON Reuben
TRONCHON Bastien

Evans is the Best
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HARVEY Dean *
MARIAULT Axel *
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
POOLE Max
RAFFERTY Darren
RYAN Archie
SYRITSA Gleb
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VERCHER Mattéo

Fivezzz
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HERZOG Emil
HESSMANN Michel
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
PITHIE Laurence
PLOWRIGHT Jensen
RYAN Archie
SYRITSA Gleb
TARLING Joshua

Greenedge
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
AZPARREN IRURZUN Xabier Mikel *
BEVORT Carl-Frederik
GARCIA PIERNA Raul
GLOAG Thomas
HAGENES Per Strand
HESSMANN Michel
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHOLJEVIC Fran
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
PITHIE Laurence
PLOWRIGHT Jensen
QUICK Blake
RAFFERTY Darren
RYAN Archie
SEGAERT Alec
TRONCHON Bastien

Hfgon1
BAUDIN Alex
BERHE Welay Hagos *
BONNEU Kamiel
BRENNER Marco
DINHAM Matthew
EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian
GLOAG Thomas
HEMING Mika
LEMMEN Bart
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHOLJEVIC Fran
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PIGANZOLI Davide
QUICK Blake
RYAN Archie
SYRITSA Gleb
VAN EETVELT Lennert

Jakob747
ALVAREZ Cuy Hugo Alejandro *
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BELLETTA Dario Igor *
BRENNER Marco
CHRISTEN Jan
GOYO Jesus *
GREGOIRE Romain
GUSTIN Alex *
HERZOG Emil
MARTINEZ Juan Guillermo *
MARTINEZ Lenny
MOLINA Hector Ferney *
MORGADO Antonio
MUÑOZ Jaider *
NYS Thibau
PICKERING Finlay
RAFFERTY Darren
SEGAERT Alec

Joelsim
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HEMING Mika
HERZOG Emil
LE BERRE Mathis
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
POOLE Max
THOMPSON Reuben
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VANDENABEELE Henri

JonEzeitza
BAUDIN Alex
BITTNER Pavel
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAYTER Leo
HESSMANN Michel
KEPPLINGER Rainer *
LAPEIRA Paul
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MIHOLJEVIC Fran
NYS Thibau
PENHOËT Paul
PICKERING Finlay
POOLE Max
SYRITSA Gleb
VAN EETVELT Lennert

Josedin
EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HERZOG Emil
HUISING Menno
KOPECKY Tomas *
MERTENS Julian *
MIHKELS Madis
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
PERSICO Davide *
PIGANZOLI Davide
TARLING Joshua
VADER Milan *
VAN DER MEULEN Max
VAN MECHELEN Vlad *
VANDENABEELE Henri
WOOD Harrison *

JPettersen
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BAUDIN Alex
BRENNER Marco
GARCIA PIERNA Raul
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
PLOWRIGHT Jensen
SALBY Alexander
SVRCEK Martin
SYRITSA Gleb
TARLING Joshua
VAN EETVELT Lennert

Jumbo Visma Fan
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HERZOG Emil
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHOLJEVIC Fran
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
OSBORNE Jason
QUICK Blake
RYAN Archie
SVRCEK Martin
SYRITSA Gleb
TARLING Joshua
THOMPSON Reuben
VAN EETVELT Lennert

Kazistuta
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAYTER Leo
HELLEMOSE Asbjørn
JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
OSBORNE Jason
PARET-PEINTRE Valentin *
PONOMAR Andriy
QUICK Blake
SALBY Alexander
STEINHAUSER Georg
VAN DIJKE Tim
VANDENABEELE Henri

Kryvoskyn
CHRISTEN Jan
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HERZOG Emil
HUISING Menno
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
PENHOËT Paul
RYAN Archie
SYRITSA Gleb
THOMPSON Reuben
VAN DER MEULEN Max
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VANDENABEELE Henri

Laarsland
BAUDIN Alex
CHRISTEN Jan
EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
GUDMESTAD Tord *
HAGENES Per Strand
HERZOG Emil
ISIDORE Noa
MARTINEZ Lenny
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
SYRITSA Gleb
TARLING Joshua
THOMPSON Reuben
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VERCHER Mattéo

Leadbelly
BARRE Louis
BONNET Thomas *
EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HEMING Mika
HERZOG Emil
JEANNIERE Emilien *
LEMMEN Bart
MARTINEZ Lenny
MORGADO Antonio
ONLEY Oscar
PIGANZOLI Davide
POOLE Max
SYRITSA Gleb
TARLING Joshua
THOMPSON Reuben
VERSTRYNGE Emiel *

Ludwigzgz
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
LE BERRE Mathis
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
NYS Thibau
PITHIE Laurence
POOLE Max
SVRCEK Martin
SYRITSA Gleb
THOMPSON Reuben
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VANDENABEELE Henri
VERRE Alessandro *

Lukas CPH

BRENNER Marco
CHRISTEN Jan
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HEMING Mika
HESSMANN Michel
JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
POOLE Max
RYAN Archie
SEGAERT Alec
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VANDENABEELE Henri

Madrazo
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAYTER Leo
LEONARD Michael
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
QUICK Blake
RYAN Archie
SEGAERT Alec
SVRCEK Martin
SYRITSA Gleb
TARLING Joshua
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VERCHER Mattéo

Nakazar
BRENNER Marco
CHRISTEN Jan
DINHAM Matthew
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MIHOLJEVIC Fran
MORGADO Antonio
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
RYAN Archie
SEGAERT Alec
SVRCEK Martin
SYRITSA Gleb
TARLING Joshua
TRONCHON Bastien
VAN EETVELT Lennert

Nyssinator
CHRISTEN Jan
DE POOTER Dries
DINHAM Matthew
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAYTER Leo
KOLZE CHANGIZI Sebastian
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
RICCITELLO Matthew
RYAN Archie
SEGAERT Alec
SVRCEK Martin
SYRITSA Gleb
TARLING Joshua
VAN EETVELT Lennert

Otoxiep87
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAYTER Leo
HESSMANN Michel
JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland
LAPEIRA Paul
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
POOLE Max
RYAN Archie
SYRITSA Gleb
THOMPSON Reuben
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VANDENABEELE Henri

Ray10
BLUME LEVY William
BONNEU Kamiel
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAYTER Leo
HERZOG Emil
ISIDORE Noa
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MILESI Lorenzo
ONLEY Oscar
POOLE Max
RYAN Archie
SCOTT Jared *
THOMPSON Reuben
TOUMIRE Hugo *
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VAN HEMELEN Vincent *

RedHead Dane

ANDERSEN Kasper *
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo *
BLUME LEVY William
FRETIN Milan *
GARCIA PIERNA Raul
HELLEMOSE Asbjørn
HERZOG Emil
HOLLMANN Juri *
KOLZE CHANGIZI Sebastian
NØRTOFT Morten Aalling *
NYS Thibau
PAQUOT Tom *
PRITZEN Marc Oliver *
QUICK Blake
SEXTON Tom *
STEINHAUSER Georg
TARLING Joshua
VAN DEN BOSSCHE Fabio *

Ricco
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HERZOG Emil
LAMPERTI Luke *
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
OSBORNE Jason
PAJUR Romet *
PLOWRIGHT Jensen
SVRCEK Martin
TARLING Joshua
THOMPSON Reuben

Rote Laterne
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BARRE Louis
BRENNER Marco
EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HERZOG Emil
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHOLJEVIC Fran
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
PITHIE Laurence
RYAN Archie
SEGAERT Alec
TARLING Joshua
VAN EETVELT Lennert

Rufs
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BRENNER Marco
CHRISTEN Jan
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HERZOG Emil
JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland
KOLZE CHANGIZI Sebastian
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MIHOLJEVIC Fran
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
QUICK Blake
VAN EETVELT Lennert

SafeBet
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HERZOG Emil
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MILESI Lorenzo
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
PIGANZOLI Davide
POOLE Max
RONDEL Mathys *
RYAN Archie
VAN EETVELT Lennert

Salvarani
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BEVORT Carl-Frederik
BRENNER Marco
BUSATTO Francesco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HERZOG Emil
HESSMANN Michel
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
ROMEO ABAD Ivan
RYAN Archie
TARLING Joshua

Skidmark
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
HERZOG Emil
LEONARD Michael
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
POOLE Max
RYAN Archie
SYRITSA Gleb
TARLING Joshua
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VANDENABEELE Henri

Squire
BRENNER Marco
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HERZOG Emil
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
NORDHAGEN Jørgen *
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
OSBORNE Jason
PENHOËT Paul
PIGANZOLI Davide
RYAN Archie
SALBY Alexander
SEGAERT Alec
VAN EETVELT Lennert
VANDENABEELE Henri

Vladimir
ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
BITTNER Pavel
CHRISTEN Jan
FANCELLU Alessandro
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HAYTER Leo
LÜHRS Luis-Joe
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHOLJEVIC Fran
ONLEY Oscar
OSBORNE Jason
PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan *
RYAN Archie
SEGAERT Alec
SVRCEK Martin
SYRITSA Gleb
VAN EETVELT Lennert

Zipi Zapismo
BRENNER Marco
DE POOTER Dries
EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian
GLOAG Thomas
GREGOIRE Romain
HAGENES Per Strand
HERZOG Emil
MARTINEZ Lenny
MIHKELS Madis
MORGADO Antonio
NYS Thibau
ONLEY Oscar
PENHOËT Paul
POOLE Max
QUICK Blake
RYAN Archie
SYRITSA Gleb
VAN EETVELT Lennert
 
The Riders
Hopefully there are 48 riders with asterisks above, who are the unique picks. Here are the other 65

40 teams: GREGOIRE Romain
38: MARTINEZ Lenny
36: GLOAG Thomas, ONLEY Oscar
34: MIHKELS Madis
33: NYS Thibau
30:HAYTER Leo
29: BRENNER Marco
28: VAN EETVELT Lennert
26: RYAN Archie
24: HAGENES Per Strand, TARLING Joshua
22: SYRITSA Gleb
21: HERZOG Emil, PENHOËT Paul
18: MORGADO Antonio
17: THOMPSON Reuben
16: SVRCEK Martin
They comprise the Collective Wisdom team. Let's hope it can beat the Collective Ignorance team, whoever might be in that team. Speculation welcome.

14: ARRIETA LIZARRAGA Igor
13: POOLE Max, SEGAERT Alec, VANDENABEELE Henri
12: CHRISTEN Jan
10: HESSMANN Michel, MIHOLJEVIC Fran, QUICK Blake
9: PLOWRIGHT Jensen
8: STEINHAUSER Georg
7: EDVARDSEN-FREDHEIM Stian, TRONCHON Bastien
6: BAUDIN Alex, JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland, PIGANZOLI Davide, PITHIE Laurence
5: OSBORNE Jason
4: DE POOTER Dries, DINHAM Matthew, HEMING Mika, LEONARD Michael, ROMEO ABAD Ivan, VERCHER Mattéo
3: GARCIA PIERNA Raul, KOLZE CHANGIZI Sebastian, LÜHRS Luis-Joe, RAFFERTY Darren, RICCITELLO Matthew, SALBY Alexander
2: BARRE Louis, BEVORT Carl-Frederik, BITTNER Pavel, BLUME LEVY William, BONNEU Kamiel, BUSATTO Francesco, FANCELLU Alessandro, HELLEMOSE Asbjørn, HUISING Menno, ISIDORE Noa, LAPEIRA Paul, LE BERRE Mathis, LEMMEN Bart, MILESI Lorenzo, PICKERING Finlay, PONOMAR Andriy, VAN DER MEULEN Max, VAN DIJKE Tim
 
I had hoped to sneak two of my Irish contigent in as unique picks but everytime I try to pick some obscure guy that I hope will be an unique pick he also ends up on Jakob's team :D

Good luck to all and especially to Axel Mariault and Dean Harvey whom I did manage to sneak past Jakob and are in fact unique picks.
 
I'd just like to point out that I have Sexton as a unique pick both here and in the main game. Did I pick him solely because of his name? Of course I did! :cool:

I had picked him for the main game, and then I decided - among other things - to reuse those of my riders for that game who are under 200 pts.
 
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I have all in top 10 and 14 of the 18 most popular picks so as usual I will likely have one of the most popular or one might also say boring team. The 4 I did not pick in the collective wisdom team were ofcourse also in my thought, but funny enough my last 2 cuts were also nr 19 and 20 here with Poole and Arrieta.

For the 4 popular I skipped, I simply think Herzog and Morgado comming from juniors and being on a continental team this year (unlike other huge talents like Tarling, Svrcek and Leonard) are too young to become good picks, despite obviously being monster talents both of them. I hope and kind of expect they will still be eligable in this game next year, where they will then be obvious picks. Hagenes is ofcourse also a huge talent with a real winnerinstict and was also close to make my team, but again him being very young and starting on the development team counted agaisnt him and also Im not so sure he is the type of rider that will score so much at least early on, and norwegian talents also often dissapoints as pros which also counted againt him. Finally Thompson is ofcourse also a very solid talent, but I just found him to be a big too ordinary a talent compared to the rest in this year with so many huge talents to pick from, but he should do well.

For my 2 rarest picks, like in the maingame I have big confidence in very versatile sprinter Vercher being very solid on the french calendar, even if perhaps many other riders are more talented, and Leonard has been quite scary on the italian junior climbing scene and with Ineos young guys doing so well this year so I dared not skip him, even if he could perhaps also have been saved for next years game.
 
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Popularity scoreUnique Picks
1Skidmark
472​
0
2Fivezzz
457​
0
3DevilsElbow
456​
0
4Armchair_Cyclist
448​
1
5Cordi
445​
0
6Madrazo
444​
0
7Berflamand
441​
0
8ZipiZapismo
440​
0
9Joelsim
437​
0
10Otoxiep87
434​
0
11Anderis
433​
0
11JumboVismaFan
433​
0
13SafeBet
432​
1
14Rufs
425​
0
15Salvarani
421​
0
16Kryvoskyn
417​
0
17Nakazar
414​
0
18LukasCPH
413​
0
19JPettersen
410​
0
20Squire
407​
1
21Nyssinator
402​
0
22RoteLaterne
399​
0
23EvansIsTheBest
397​
2
24Ludwigzgz
396​
1
24Ricco
396​
2
26DJW
395​
0
27Bminchow
380​
0
28Alvarakas
377​
0
29Laarsland
369​
1
30JonEzeitza
357​
1
31Comodoro
339​
1
32AmisVelo
335​
1
33Blues_in_the_Bottle
334​
3
34Ray10
330​
3
35Kazistuta
328​
1
36Vladimir
322​
1
37DJSprtsch
318​
1
38Hfgon1
300​
1
39Leadbelly
289​
3
40Greenedge
269​
1
41Josedin
242​
6
42Jakob747
230​
7
43RedheadDane
115​
9
CollectiveWisdom
493​
0
CollectiveIgnorance
0​
18
MainGame2023
449​
0
Goodin2022
220​
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Collective Wisdom as mentioned at the top is our most popular 18 riders

Collective Ignorance is a team that has no fixed make-up: it is the highest scoring (total) 18 riders that every single one of us overlooked. You could look on a Unique Pick as rescuing someone from that team. It will start very well, but unless we have made some huge mistake (like no-one picking Kevin Vauquelin a year ago) most of us should overtake in due time.

MainGame 2023 is the 18 riders most chosen by those participating in the annual CQ game. Large, but not exact, correlation between that and the popularity table. I might do a little write up on it later.

Good in 2022 draws on the fact that the sub-200 point limit means that riders can show some ability in main races and still be eligible. It is made up of those who scored most points in 2022 while still keeping their totals below 200. But some of them have no contract for 2023, and it doesn't look like it is going to pose much of a challenge to most real teams. It is not the maximum possible previous points combination (more on that later), but would be close to it.
 
I had hoped to sneak two of my Irish contigent in as unique picks but everytime I try to pick some obscure guy that I hope will be an unique pick he also ends up on Jakob's team :D

Good luck to all and especially to Axel Mariault and Dean Harvey whom I did manage to sneak past Jakob and are in fact unique picks.

:D Darren Rafferty is not mentioned in the same sentence as the majority of other super-talents but in all honesty, I see him as being "special".

In his fabulous 2021 season - It's easy to forget, but In May, Rafferty crashed at the Hill Town GP and broke 3 ribs, his wrist, and bruised his lung. Then post-recovery, he broke the 10 mile Junior Irish Record averaging 51.4 km/hr and joined Team 31 Jolly and won 3 stage-races and the GP Plouay (110km break) in a 1 month time-span.

Educate me a little on Dean Harvey please? I know he did a bit of cross besides racing on the road, bronze medal at the Irish junior CX nationals in 2020. Almost 3 minutes and 30 seconds behind Rafferty :D. Untapped potential? I see hes signed to Trinity this season.

I see he is from Belfast - cool. The last rider from Northen Ireland I remember hyping was John Buller - legit speed as a junior :)
 
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Haa. For once, I dont have one of the most popular teams for the Emerging game. Only have 8 of the top 10 and 11 of the top 18. So that could be good, but its not. I had Nys on my short list. But the other 6 guys on the Wisdom team I had never heard of and were no where on my list (Penhoet came to my attention but after i submitted my line up). I just dont follow the Junior/U23 racing at all and any info i could find was obviously insufficient. I do find it interesting how quickly we can lose interest in the latest hot talent:
VANDENABEELE Henri 2022 picks: 19 2023 picks: 13
STEINHAUSER Georg 2022 picks: 15 2023 picks: 8

Have they really done so much to make them less appealing this year? They should actually better for the next three years. Also, Romeo was not on my roster until i saw that he was starting in the TdU. If Movistar is putting him into a WT race, then maybe he will get some chances this year even to score points. Although i dont see that hew could really compete much from what I have seen.
 
:D Darren Rafferty is not mentioned in the same sentence as the majority of other super-talents but in all honesty, I see him as being "special".

In his fabulous 2021 season - It's easy to forget, but In May, Rafferty crashed at the Hill Town GP and broke 3 ribs, his wrist, and bruised his lung. Then post-recovery, he broke the 10 mile Junior Irish Record averaging 51.4 km/hr and joined Team 31 Jolly and won 3 stage-races and the GP Plouay (110km break) in a 1 month time-span.

Educate me a little on Dean Harvey please? I know he did a bit of cross besides racing on the road, bronze medal at the Irish junior CX nationals in 2020. Almost 3 minutes and 30 seconds behind Rafferty :D. Untapped potential? I see hes signed to Trinity this season.

I see he is from Belfast - cool. The last rider from Northen Ireland I remember hyping was John Buller - legit speed as a junior :)
I had Rafferty in my first draft in the main game so I was a bit shocked to not see him picked at all there.
I'm afraid I can't tell you much about Harvey. I wanted a third Irish guy on the team and he was the only one that had even a remote chance of scoring some points. Trinity has done a good job of preparing riders for the top level in recent years so hopefully he'll be their next hit.

Haa. For once, I dont have one of the most popular teams for the Emerging game. Only have 8 of the top 10 and 11 of the top 18. So that could be good, but its not. I had Nys on my short list. But the other 6 guys on the Wisdom team I had never heard of and were no where on my list (Penhoet came to my attention but after i submitted my line up). I just dont follow the Junior/U23 racing at all and any info i could find was obviously insufficient. I do find it interesting how quickly we can lose interest in the latest hot talent:
VANDENABEELE Henri 2022 picks: 19 2023 picks: 13
STEINHAUSER Georg 2022 picks: 15 2023 picks: 8

Have they really done so much to make them less appealing this year? They should actually better for the next three years. Also, Romeo was not on my roster until i saw that he was starting in the TdU. If Movistar is putting him into a WT race, then maybe he will get some chances this year even to score points. Although i dont see that hew could really compete much from what I have seen.
It's fair that they get picked a lot less. If nothing else last year established that their ceiling isn't super high. Top riders just don't stay eligible an extra year once they hit the WT level.

I wouldn't read to much into Romeo going to Australia. Teams send neo pros to the TDU all the time. Established riders often don't want to do the trip and teams have to send someone. It's also a fairly relaxed environment for their first race so they can ease into their pro career. Much better than say throwing them into the deep end at Omloop for instance.
 
For my 2 rarest picks, like in the maingame I have big confidence in very versatile sprinter Vercher being very solid on the french calendar, even if perhaps many other riders are more talented

I like a lot the Vercher pick, I think he's a good talent being a little under radar because he mostly only rode french calendar, and he'll do very well in the game. Total Energies has proved in the past years that they give opportunities to score big points to his neos since year 1.

He was one of my last cuts alongside Pickering, Syritsa, Poole, Penhoet, Thompson & Ryan.
The only collective wisdom pick I think it's a little overrated is Svrcek. The Quick Step effect I guess.
 
I like a lot the Vercher pick, I think he's a good talent being a little under radar because he mostly only rode french calendar, and he'll do very well in the game. Total Energies has proved in the past years that they give opportunities to score big points to his neos since year 1.

He was one of my last cuts alongside Pickering, Syritsa, Poole, Penhoet, Thompson & Ryan.
The only collective wisdom pick I think it's a little overrated is Svrcek. The Quick Step effect I guess.

Yes Vercher has a lot of benefits here likely getting a lot of chances for himself from year one in this competition.

I have Svrcek too though, and yes him going to Quick Step is definetly something that always likely to give more picks, and his fairly quiet 2022 could perhaps make him seem overrated, but at the same time Quick Step sounds very optimistic and hyped about him and in 2021 he was so dominant in the italian junior 1. day races that he was a safe pick on my team.
 
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I had Rafferty in my first draft in the main game so I was a bit shocked to not see him picked at all there.
I'm afraid I can't tell you much about Harvey. I wanted a third Irish guy on the team and he was the only one that had even a remote chance of scoring some points. Trinity has done a good job of preparing riders for the top level in recent years so hopefully he'll be their next hit.


It's fair that they get picked a lot less. If nothing else last year established that their ceiling isn't super high. Top riders just don't stay eligible an extra year once they hit the WT level.

I wouldn't read to much into Romeo going to Australia. Teams send neo pros to the TDU all the time. Established riders often don't want to do the trip and teams have to send someone. It's also a fairly relaxed environment for their first race so they can ease into their pro career. Much better than say throwing them into the deep end at Omloop for instance.
Good points. Unless your name is Marco Brenner. Then you get several second chances :)
2021 - 40? (highest picked rider anyway)
2022 - 27
2023 - 29
 
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I had Rafferty in my first draft in the main game so I was a bit shocked to not see him picked at all there.
I'm afraid I can't tell you much about Harvey. I wanted a third Irish guy on the team and he was the only one that had even a remote chance of scoring some points. Trinity has done a good job of preparing riders for the top level in recent years so hopefully he'll be their next hit.

Rafferty is indeed a super interesting talent. After juniors he was fo me one of the top talents to follow in their first u23 year and he did according to the expectations. Just like Fredheim, another good one, or even Pickering & Poole... They did great but I just rate Martinez, Gregoire, Segaert, Hagenes & Mihkels higher, and there's no place for everyone. Hope I'll can pick them next year if they don't go over 200 (like Uijtdebroeks already did).

About Harvey, looks like a very good rider but on paper he's clearly inferior than Rafferty or the "veteran" Ryan. Fun fact is that he won over both of them the national u23 champ this 2022. Btw about Ryan, although he's a 4 year u23 he could have even good potential still, cause his recurring knee problems were slowing down him in the past seasons until his breakthrough last year (and that's paradoxicaly the reason why I didn't choose him in the end, cause maybe the knee get bad again -hope not- and I didn't know who to cut for the last 19 riders haha).



It's fair that they get picked a lot less. If nothing else last year established that their ceiling isn't super high. Top riders just don't stay eligible an extra year once they hit the WT level.

I got a bit disillusioned about Vandenabeele in his debut as a pro (& already his 2020 at u23 level was better than his 2021) but I have to differ about Steinhauser. He had a season full of bad luck with sickness and he was less prepared for his debut as a pro (was more raw talent and 1 year younger but I think with higher ceiling). Well, so I'm still believing in Steinhauser, he showed some glimpses of real talent, like top10 in Romandie prologue (in his first WT race ever & coming back from a ilness) & 5th at Germany itt champs. And I have to add that he was still working in his father factory finishing his degree, he's only going to live as a cycling pro from 2024. His father btw is an ancient pro and his uncle is Ullrich... And on paper he's not a tt specialist but a climber that excells in long range stages... He's got a great motor that got Vaughters very hype last winter.
Anyway this year the field was so stocked that Steinhauser was one of my later picks (17th in my list).
 
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and in 2021 he was so dominant in the italian junior 1. day races that he was a safe pick on my team.

Personally, I think the italian junior circuit in the last seasons is relatively weak comparing to other european countries, I would even rather spanish circuit higher now. Karel Vacek was impressive there 4 seasons ago for example, and then he has been a bust. It's true next year I was hyped about Piccolo & Tiberi and somehow got it right (altough their 1st u23 season was also mediocre), but in the last couple of seasons the italians have been quite dull in the international junior scene. So for me that's not enough, altough surely Svrcek has good qualitys, his u23 worlds performance was impressive nonetheless. I would say something similar this year about Leonard, surely he has a great potential and Ineos giving him a chance is a good hint, but I want to see him first at a higher level than the italian junior scene. Spanish bias maybe, as with Rodriguez & Ayuso I didn't need to see more :D
 
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Personally, I think the italian junior circuit in the last seasons is relatively weak comparing to other european countries, I would even rather spanish circuit higher now. Karel Vacek was impressive there 4 seasons ago for example, and then he has been a bust. It's true next year I was hyped about Piccolo & Tiberi and somehow got it right (altough their 1st u23 season was also mediocre), but in the last couple of seasons the italians have been quite dull in the international junior scene. So for me that's not enough, altough surely Svrcek has good qualitys, his u23 worlds performance was impressive nonetheless. I would say something similar this year about Leonard, surely he has a great potential and Ineos giving him a chance is a good hint, but I want to see him first at a higher level than the italian junior scene. Spanish bias maybe, as with Rodriguez & Ayuso I didn't need to see more :D

Yes it may be some pretty cheap wins Svrcek got there in 2021. But the combination of them with the very optimistic words from Quick Step about him and the Quick Step effect still got me convinsed. Its a bit the same with Leonard where it was also the combination of him destrying Italian juniors combined with the mentions of great testresults and for instance him comparing himself very directly to Carlos Rodriquez, turning pro after the juniorranks with Ineos and being a similar rider and hoping to do as well as him, and also with the trend going more and more in favour of young guys breaking through quicker. But I agree that Italian junior results or even u23 results dont mean as much as it may have done once and some more international results would have been reassuring.
 
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I swear you cant make this stuff up. :D.
 
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Interesting for me is Piganzoli being picked more than Milesi.
I probably wouldn't pick any of them if I weren't Italian but if I had to choose I'd go 99% for Milesi. Ceiling seems a lot higher (new to the sport, better TTer, better punch, has won races against very good competition already) despite Piganzoli being the more consistent thus far.

As for my team, after selecting 12 riders I was very confident about I decided to pick a few riders to cheer for in the following years (the two Italians, Rondel, Herzog) even if I believe it might be a little early.

The other two picks are Van Eetvelt and Penhoet, two riders I wouldn't have picked but I noticed they were relatively popular in the main game so I figured they would be must have in this one.
 
Interesting for me is Piganzoli being picked more than Milesi.
I probably wouldn't pick any of them if I weren't Italian but if I had to choose I'd go 99% for Milesi. Ceiling seems a lot higher (new to the sport, better TTer, better punch, has won races against very good competition already) despite Piganzoli being the more consistent thus far.

Piganzoli is a much better climber (they're just different type of riders, Milesi is more for the classics on paper) and has progressed a lot on TT (even winning nationals over Milesi). In the near future, Piganzoli with Eolo can go for minor GCs while Milesi will have to do a lot of domestique work at DSM. Both were in my B team, but Piganzoli was higher.
 
Hmmm, I've overlooked Brenner, didn't realise he was still sub 200 CQ points.

I have 14 riders from the Collective Wisdom team and only one rider with fewer than 10 picks and I'm still only 11th in the popularity score, geez, we all had the same ideas.
 
A few more stats:

Comparison with selection for the main game:
There were 182 riders chosen for the main CQ Game that were eligible for this, of whom Romain Gregoire was most selected there (60 of 102(?) teams) as he was here (40 of 43). They were published in this thread as the 'cheat sheet', and 29 of our teams were made up entirely of riders chosen at least once there (whether by reference to that list or not).
But it is not a direct correlation: A lot of those in the main game were not chosen at all here (ROMO OLIVER Javier 6 times, COSTIOU Ewen/PUPPIO Antonio/RODENBERG MADSEN Frederik/VERMAERKE Kevin each 4 times,
GAROFOLI Gianmarco/HOLLYMAN Mason/LECERF William Junior/VACEK Karel thrice, along with 13 who were selected twice and 72 unique picks); 25 of our picks here were not selected there, including Darren Rafferty and Raul Garcia (3 teams in this game) and Carl Bevort and Max van der Meulen (2 teams)
Other riders who are disproportionately popular in the main game are Vader (13 - 1), Heiduk (11 - 1) Ponomar (11 - 2), Leonard (14 - 4) and Riccitello (10 - 3); the opposite phenomenon is exhibited by Ryan (5 - 26), Heming (1 - 4), Hagenes (7 - 24), Luhrs (1 - 3), Anders Johannessen (2 - 6), Segaert (5 -13) and Hessmann (4 - 10).

Main game popularity pointsriders absent from main game
1Madrazo
521​
0
2Skidmark
515​
0
3Fivezzz
503​
0
4Cordi
491​
0
5Berflamand
478​
0
6Armchair_Cyclist
474​
1
7JumboVismaFan
473​
0
8DevilsElbow
472​
0
9JPettersen
470​
1
10Nyssinator
466​
0
11Bminchow
461​
0
11Rufs
461​
0
13Salvarani
459​
1
14Anderis
458​
0
15Joelsim
456​
0
16Alvarakas
452​
0
17Otoxiep87
450​
0
18Ricco
441​
1
19Nakazar
440​
0
20DJW
437​
0
20ZipiZapismo
437​
0
22SafeBet
436​
0
23RoteLaterne
427​
0
24AmisVelo
425​
0
25Ludwigzgz
422​
0
26Blues_in_the_Bottle
418​
0
27Kazistuta
413​
0
28Laarsland
412​
0
29Kryvoskyn
408​
1
30JonEzeitza
399​
1
31EvansIsTheBest
397​
2
32LukasCPH
396​
0
33Squire
391​
1
34Comodoro
370​
0
35DJSprtsch
350​
0
35Ray10
350​
1
37Leadbelly
340​
3
38Vladimir
331​
0
39Hfgon1
321​
0
40Josedin
283​
2
41Jakob747
245​
8
42Greenedge
238​
3
43RedheadDane
147​
5
CollectiveWisdom
530​
0
MainGame2023
554​
0
Goodin2022
185​
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Previous points
It's possible to rate teams according to how many points their riders had prior to 2022: I'm not sure that we can conclude much from it though. Teams at the bottom of the table have probably picked more of their riders immediately out of the junior ranks. The Good in 2022 team not surprisingly has the highest score, but some real teams are not far behind.
1Otoxiep87
2661​
2JonEzeitza
2391​
3LukasCPH
2346​
4Armchair_Cyclist
2268​
5DJW
2216​
6Greenedge
2171​
7Ludwigzgz
2163​
8Comodoro
2150​
9Rufs
2137​
10Joelsim
2134​
11Fivezzz
2127​
12EvansIsTheBest
2094​
13Hfgon1
2093​
14Skidmark
2089​
15Kazistuta
2075​
16JPettersen
2054​
17SafeBet
1999​
18Squire
1989​
19Madrazo
1972​
20DevilsElbow
1968​
21ZipiZapismo
1943​
22DJSprtsch
1940​
23Vladimir
1909​
24Nakazar
1885​
25Blues_in_the_Bottle
1880​
26Kryvoskyn
1850​
27RoteLaterne
1831​
28Alvarakas
1830​
29Bminchow
1816​
30JumboVismaFan
1815​
31Ray10
1796​
32Nyssinator
1772​
33AmisVelo
1770​
34Salvarani
1769​
35RedheadDane
1760​
36Anderis
1754​
37Berflamand
1741​
38Cordi
1655​
39Ricco
1620​
40Leadbelly
1530​
41Laarsland
1451​
42Josedin
1142​
43Jakob747
799​
CollectiveWisdom
2004​
MainGame2023
1769​
Goodin2022
2734​

Team similarity
The highest amount of overlap between 2 teams is 14, which happens between 13 pairs of teams.
The weird thing is that 8 of these 13 pairs include Skidmark: with Armchair Cyclist, Devil's Elbow, Fivezzz, Joelsim, Madrazo, Otoxiep87, SafeBet and Zipi Zapismo.
The other 14 man pairings are Armchair Cyclist and Otoxiep, Berflamand and Cordi, DJW and Fivezzz, Fivezzz and Salvarani, and Lukas CPH and Otoxiep.
15 rider overlaps do exist, between the Collective Wisdom Team and Devil's Elbow, Fivezzz, Jumbo Visma Fan and Skidmark. Also between Madrazo and the most commonly picked in the Main Game team (and that team with Common Wisdom)

Inter-Forum challenge
Average scores from the teams according to which of the forums they were submitted through will be tracked throughout the three years as a competition, and those who are members of Parlamiento Ciclista appear on that team as well (apart from me: I have joined that site, but exclude myself from the averages)
Team VeloRooms has Amis Velo, Cordi, DJW, Josedin, Joelsim, Leadbelly, LukasCPH, Otoxiep87, Rote Laterne, Scrooll07 and Zipi Zapismo;
Parlamiento has Alvarakas, Comodoro, Cordi, Jon Ezeitza, Josedin, Kryvoskyn and Ludwigzgz
Cycling News Forum has everyone else, and those in the PC team who are not on VeloRooms.


Spreadsheet
Here it is: I will aim to update it, and this thread, early each month: it is sometimes delayed if other games are active at the same time, or if real life intervenes.

So, who will be the best of the Collective Ignorance team in three years time to make us all look silly? Romo? Magnier? Shmidt? Pidcock?
 
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Piganzoli is a much better climber (they're just different type of riders, Milesi is more for the classics on paper) and has progressed a lot on TT (even winning nationals over Milesi). In the near future, Piganzoli with Eolo can go for minor GCs while Milesi will have to do a lot of domestique work at DSM. Both were in my B team, but Piganzoli was higher.
I see your point. And I very much agree Piganzoli is currently the better rider, I'm just not sure he will be the better one in 3 years.
DSM being DSM can limit Milesi's growth, but it might also go in his favor since he hasn't been riding a bike for long and needs some more structured training. Milesi has been very inconsistent and has crashed a little too much so far but someone who can win a TT, a punchy finish and a mountain stage (albeit from the break) in top U23 races will always catch my attention. The potential to be a stud is there, I think.

As for Piganzoli, Ivan Basso once said he has comparable numbers to Mas and Juanpe Lopez at same age. So he's very likely going to be a WT caliber rider at some point, but his development will determine whether he'll be a GT podium contender already in his first three years among the pros or "only" a solid climber who can get a top5 here and there.
Picking Piganzoli (as I did) means betting on him being closer to Mas than to Lopez in terms of potential but I gotta admit I don't see many paths for him to be relevant in this game.

BTW Milesi crashed out of the U23 NC TT last year, but it's true Piganzoli beat him in 2021 when they both were first years u23.
 
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