Giro d'Italia 2023 Giro d'Italia, Stage 13: Borgofranco d’Ivrea – Crans Montana, 199 km (Friday, May 19th)

[Ilmaestro99]

or swap it with Vuelta... all problems solved

If they moved the vuelta to may nobody would target it, only teenagers and neo pros. Its a small grand tour compared to tour and giro

 

[topcat]

Is the bus transfer being broadcasted at least?

Who has the fastest bus?

 

[Rob5091]

The helicopters were organized by RCS and teams paid to use them if they wanted to.
Apparently 19 out of 22 teams voted for the new parcours so it was a big majority.
Carthy & Pinot are the men I'll be keeping an eye on.

 

[glassmoon]

Don't think the Vuelta would be on board with that.

they would if the only other option will be 'no vuelta" - i know it's harsh but business is business

 

[Red Rick]

they would if the only other option will be 'no vuelta" - i know it's harsh but business is business

ASO co-owns the Vuelta, between the ASO and RCS I'm pretty sure which one has more influence.

 

[ice&fire]

Yesterday there was an article on the matter on a Spanish web site headlined as "Adam Hansen and the dangers of cycling in a bubble"
It starts with "I dont know if Adam Hansen will read this..."
The man himself took his time to reply:

Adam Hansen y los peligros del 'ciclismo burbuja' - High Cycling

Desconozco si Adam Hansen leerá o no esta breve opinión de un aficionado al ciclismo detrás de unas cuantas teclas. Pero si lo hace, me gustaría humildemente hacerle reflexionar tanto a él como a todas las personas que se sitúan cerca de sus tesis sobre aspectos que creo importantes antes de que...

www.high-cycling.com

 

[glassmoon]

If they moved the vuelta to may nobody would target it, only teenagers and neo pros. Its a small grand tour compared to tour and giro

even now it's oftern targeted just by the giro/tdf dropouts or non tdf "leaders" in the teams... still usually great racing though

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

According to Meteo Suisse, it is currently 8 degrees in Bourg Saint Pierre, the highest village on the Swiss side of GSB pass: no ice risk at all.

They are apparently going by that route in the busses: there will be some embarrassed (or maybe smug) looks between riders on that.

 

[glassmoon]

ASO co-owns the Vuelta, between the ASO and RCS I'm pretty sure which one has more influence.

yeah... i'm aware... but one can dream though

 

[King Boonen]

I disagree.

You just tell riders to go *** themselves if they don't wanna race stages cause they're hard or cause it's raining.

Parcours design in the first 2 weeks has nothing to do with it.

This is all because the Giro has built a habit of bending over for the riders when they start complaining and because of the pavlovian reaction of riders now wanting to quit when weather gets difficult.

It's a good way to end up with either this repeating or no Giro I guess.

 

[noob]

I think the reason of all the illnesses being spreaded it because of the freezing cold rain everyday. Super skinny riders immune systems are compromised enough. Even without Covid there would be huge amounts of bugs being spread unfortunately

This is a myth. People thinks we get colds from being cold but that's not true. It's not enough cold to be dangerous. If it was like 10 minus celcius than I'd agree with you lol. They will get more sore throats from the cold and hard breathing but that's not immune systems at work!
They should just've masked up indoors and done it well and those viruses would be less threatening. The heat of the vuelta is much much more dangerous to riders. Apart from injuries from falling due to inability to ride!

Again nothing to do with immune systems.

 

[staubsauger]

INEOS and Jumbo were in favour of the compromise. Whether its ‘s Thomas or Roglic who wins the whole thing, neither is a champion.

Ineos ALWAYS voted to race in this conditions during earlier occasions Always. It's the only thing definitely not to criticize about that team.

Ineos only changed towards "let the majority decide" during this Giro d'Italia. If they now went with the compromise, because Thomas is a lousy descender in wet conditions and benefits from a dull stage I'm fully okay with that.

It's unfair to criticize Ineos for taking the benefit of others stupidness. That's just wise IMHO.

If Tao still was there I bet they would have acted different.

 

[Red Rick]

It's a good way to end up with either this repeating or no Giro I guess.

Someone will win the Giro, even if there's 50 guys finishing. It's only those who were losing anyway who would get off the bike.

But it's really pathetic to give riders the option to not race the parcours, cause a majority will always not want to race a full queen stage, and the strongest teams won't want to race tricky stages either, they'll just want simple ____/ parcours and watts fests.

 

[Tour de Berghem]

https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/j...croix-de-coeur-ik-begrijp-het-compromis-niet/

Ben Healy is top

 

[Ricco']

Adam Hansen

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

All those ITT kilometres, now cutting out the Cimma Coppi: they really are determined to make sure that Evenepoel wins this thing.


What's that? Oh...

 

[noob]

If Almeida wanted the stage and climbs shortened he went against his own best interest if he wanted to win this giro lol

 

[King Boonen]

Someone will win the Giro, even if there's 50 guys finishing. It's only those who were losing anyway who would get off the bike.

But it's really pathetic to give riders the option to not race the parcours, cause a majority will always not want to race a full queen stage, and the strongest teams won't want to race tricky stages either, they'll just want simple ____/ parcours and watts fests.

I mean in future. The sport is becoming more focussed on rider safety, even if there's a tug of war at the moment, and that's likely to continue. If top riders think they're going to be forced into constantly racing in conditions they deem dangerous, they're going to stop turning up. Without those riders, and maybe their teams, I don't think the Giro would survive.

And clearly there is inbetween ground between 'we don't care if you get hurt/sick' and 'you get to choose if you want to race what we design' that needs to be found, and I think being proactive and cutting the bits people don't care about would be preferable to what's happening now where a raceable stage is chopped because riders are fed up.

 

[HelloDolly]

Ben Healy , the Irish classic driver from EF Education-EasyPost , thinks just the opposite. “We just have to race. These are the conditions in the Giro, you can expect this. Everyone is suffering,” Healy told Eurosport . He does not see any opportunities for the refugees now. "It will be a tough and short ride, which will be more made for the classification riders."

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Ben Healy , the Irish classic driver from EF Education-EasyPost , thinks just the opposite. “We just have to race. These are the conditions in the Giro, you can expect this. Everyone is suffering,” Healy told Eurosport . He does not see any opportunities for the refugees now. "It will be a tough and short ride, which will be more made for the classification riders."

See, the Giro is xenophobic as it is giving no opportunity to the refugees

 

[HelloDolly]

Ride safety ?

Most crashes are on the flat with road furniture and packed pelotons


Edit : They say refugees we say breakaway riders ...lets call the whole thing off
Google Translate

 

[Ricco']

If Almeida wanted the stage and climbs shortened he went against his own best interest if he wanted to win this giro lol

Almeida will start Croix de Coeur in the gruppeto next to Cav only to finish 10s behind the Roglic win in an uphill sprint in Crans-Montana

 

[Eyeballs Out]

What are they going to do when they realise it will be raining when they do the Croix de Coeur descent ?

"OK everyone, back on the bus"

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Roglič‘s face when he crashes out on the „dangerous“ descent

 

[Tim Cahill]

Howling if a team absolutely nails it down that descent