Tour de France 2023 Tour de France, Stage 1: Bilbao - Bilbao, 182 km (Spain, Saturday, July 1)

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Sep 20, 2017
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Bardet + 43
Bernal + 43
Pidcock + 43
Gall + 43
Johannesen + 43
Haig + 43
O'Connor + 43
Jorgensen + 2.48
Felipe Martinez + 3.23
Chaves + 5.03
Træen + 5.09
Uran + 5.46
Lutsenko + too much on a stage like this
Carapaz + at least 15 minutes..
Mas DNF

Did I forgot anything?
Ciccone, Bilbao and Buchmann +0:43
 
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Jul 8, 2017
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I was really baffled by Vingegaard. Contribute with Pogacar, he beats you in the sprint and you lose 4 seconds + you win time on the other contenders

If you don't and you have a group of 10 at the finish, there's a very big chance of Pogacar winning the sprint without you getting any bonus, so Pog get 10 seconds.

The scenario at it happened, Vingegaard still lost 4 seconds but didn't gain any time on others and lost a few seconds to the twins.
Now, it's highly unlikely that these seconds will be decisive, but you never know..
 
Apr 30, 2011
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Bardet + 43
Bernal + 43
Pidcock + 43
Gall + 43
Johannesen + 43
Haig + 43
O'Connor + 43
Jorgensen + 2.48
Felipe Martinez + 3.23
Chaves + 5.03
Træen + 5.09
Uran + 5.46
Lutsenko + too much on a stage like this
Carapaz + at least 15 minutes..
Mas DNF

Did I forgot anything?
What on Earth happened to O'Connor?!
 
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Jul 3, 2022
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I was really baffled by Vingegaard. Contribute with Pogacar, he beats you in the sprint and you lose 4 seconds + you win time on the other contenders

If you don't and you have a group of 10 at the finish, there's a very big chance of Pogacar winning the sprint without you getting any bonus, so Pog get 10 seconds.

The scenario at it happened, Vingegaard still lost 4 seconds but didn't gain any time on others and lost a few seconds to the twins.
Now, it's highly unlikely that these seconds will be decisive, but you never know..
I don't think Vingo contributed to Pog. He just stayed on his wheel.

And he'll continue to do that until it's tall, steep, and hot.
 
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I was really baffled by Vingegaard. Contribute with Pogacar, he beats you in the sprint and you lose 4 seconds + you win time on the other contenders

If you don't and you have a group of 10 at the finish, there's a very big chance of Pogacar winning the sprint without you getting any bonus, so Pog get 10 seconds.

The scenario at it happened, Vingegaard still lost 4 seconds but didn't gain any time on others and lost a few seconds to the twins.
Now, it's highly unlikely that these seconds will be decisive, but you never know..
Vingegaard is known is a pretty defensive rider in these scenarios, I think its in his nature to just follow on terrain like this. But your analysis makes a lot of sense, but Jumbo's plan was all along Van Aert which in hindsight was a mistake ofc.
 
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I was really baffled by Vingegaard. Contribute with Pogacar, he beats you in the sprint and you lose 4 seconds + you win time on the other contenders

If you don't and you have a group of 10 at the finish, there's a very big chance of Pogacar winning the sprint without you getting any bonus, so Pog get 10 seconds.

The scenario at it happened, Vingegaard still lost 4 seconds but didn't gain any time on others and lost a few seconds to the twins.
Now, it's highly unlikely that these seconds will be decisive, but you never know..
I don't think Vingegaard is programmed to do a pull when he's not on a climb and he's in the same group as Pogacar. Can't remember him ever doing so. The Granon stage is an anomaly in his racing style in the way the Finestre stage was for Froome. Really, it's rather annoying that not only half of the big 6 is on one team, but it's also clearly the half that races much more conservatively.
 
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I was really baffled by Vingegaard. Contribute with Pogacar, he beats you in the sprint and you lose 4 seconds + you win time on the other contenders

If you don't and you have a group of 10 at the finish, there's a very big chance of Pogacar winning the sprint without you getting any bonus, so Pog get 10 seconds.

The scenario at it happened, Vingegaard still lost 4 seconds but didn't gain any time on others and lost a few seconds to the twins.
Now, it's highly unlikely that these seconds will be decisive, but you never know..
Why would he gift Pogacar the stage and risk losing 12 bonus seconds? Vingegaard isn't worried about the other gc contenders, why would he
 
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Chapeau the Yates! but what were Bjerg and Grossschartner up to? Otherwise Viktor Lafay showed good form and Pinot 4th?!
Shame for Mas and Carapaz - Jorgenson to be stage hunting now, I guess.
Onto stage 2 which looks like it could be deja vu all over again.
I missed most of the stage. What happened to Mas and Carapaz? I see Mas is DNF but no sign of Carapaz in results.
 
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Vingegaard fears Pogacar in these type of stages. But I don't like to see Pogacar racing like this. He is too agressive. Just put your bike glued to Vingegaard's bike and follow him.
 
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What on Earth happened to O'Connor?!
He is a bit of a "slow and steady" type of rider, aint he?

Probably prone to lose some seconds here and there on stages like this but handles the attrition quite well and can go the distance in the end of the race.
 
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