2025 Giro CQ Game

Samu Cuenca · May 9, 2025

RedheadDane said:
Why does Josedin have red riders?

It's probably some kind of special Red Bull competition.

Armchair Cyclist · May 9, 2025

Rider popularity:

The eight names in bold make up the collective Wisdom team: it is a bit overbudget at 3565, but gives us something to compare with.

23	YATES Simon
22	AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
19	BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
15	TIBERI Antonio
13	HARPER Chris
12	MASNADA Fausto
8	CARUSO Damiano
7	ARENSMAN Thymen, HINDLEY Jai
6	BOUWMAN Koen, QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander, ROGLIC Primoz, ZIJLAARD Maikel
5	CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio, FRIGO Marco, GROVES Kaden, PIGANZOLI Davide
4	GEE Derek, POOLE Max, VAN BAARLE Dylan
3	CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan, CONCI Nicola, DEL TORO ROMERO Isaac, EDMONDSON Alexander, FIORELLI Filippo, GOVEKAR Matevz, MAGNIER Paul, MARTINELLI Alessio, MEINTJES Louis, MOSCHETTI Matteo, PRODHOMME Nicolas, SVESTAD-BAARDSENG Embret, THIJSSEN Gerben, TORRES BARCELO Albert, VENDRAME Andrea
2	BARONCINI Filippo, BENNETT Sam, BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello, BOUCHARD Geoffrey, BRENNER Marco, DOUBLE Paul, HAMILTON Lucas, HIRT Jan, KRAGH ANDERSEN Søren, LONARDI Giovanni, MARCELLUSI Martin, MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe, PALENI Enzo, PLAPP Lucas, POELS Wout, RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto, SCHULTZ Nicholas, STEINHAUSER Georg, STORER Michael, TARLING Joshua, VADER Milan, VAN DER HOORN Taco, ZANA Filippo

along with 31 unique picks and 95 unselected.

Teams by popularity:

rank		pop. points	unique picks
1	DJW	112	0
1	Madrazo	112	0
3	Sam6	100	0
3	HiHope	100	0
4	Ingsve	98	1
5	LosBrolin	92	1
6	Kazistuta	88	2
7	DJSprtsch	85	1
8	Bminchow	81	0
9	Search	80	1
10	Armchair_Cyclist	79	0
10	SlowClimber	79	0
12	Titan31	77	1
13	Del1962	76	1
14	JumboVismaFan	74	1
14	Leadbelly	74	0
14	Peixotini	74	0
17	Qazaqstan	71	0
18	DevilsElbow	70	1
18	QueenStagiaire	70	0
20	Laarsland	68	2
20	Triley36	68	0
22	AmisVelo	66	1
23	BluesInTheBottle	64	1
24	Hfgon1	62	0
25	Abbulf	60	0
25	EvansIsTheBest	60	2
25	Rufs	60	1
28	Nevs	57	0
29	Hayneplane	56	2
30	NBFC1962	52	0
31	BicycleBoy	51	2
32	Vladimir	45	1
33	YellowKnight	43	0
34	Onizuka999	36	1
35	SamuCuenca	35	1
36	Josedin	31	2
37	RedheadDane	18	5
	Collective_Wisdom	119
	Default	48

Apologies to HiHope, whom I had initially left out of this table. Now corrected, but I really couldn't be bothered to re-enter the position for everyone placed below third, so add one to your placing there unless you are top three.

The default mechanism by which I filled out Josedin's team (cheapest stand-in is the most expensive whereby the shortage of riders can still be filled with more expensive riders: repeat as necessary), can be brought to it's logical conclusion, and end up with a team that would be prescribed if anyone sent in a team with no-one who is on the start-line. That is what the Default team is:

MOSCHETTI Matteo

LAMPERTI Luke

TARLING Joshua

BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley

YATES Simon

PLUIMERS Rick

PELLIZZARI Giulio

GODON Dorian

sam6 · May 9, 2025

So my team is pretty similar to others but not as similar to it was with TRiley in Vuelta

Zijlaard looks like a good pick so good spot to those who picked him, I missed him off all my shortlists but looking at his profile now I think you 6 will be rewarded for noting those 2 results in Tirreno and Romandie last year more carefully than I did. Although having said that, he did lose 17 minutes today

Bad luck for those who picked Arensman but it might be that him losing time today wins you more long term, since he might win a couple of stages week 3 from the break rather than sliding to an anonymous 8th overall or similar

Devil's Elbow · May 9, 2025

Expected Zijlaard, Caruso and Hindley to be a lot more common. The former can't climb for ***, but should be able to get a few top-5s before not surviving the Alps.

Conversely, Bernal as the third-most popular rider is crazy to me.

del1962 · May 9, 2025

Me watching the stage thinking I had picked Arensman watching him dropped on final climb only to see that I hadn’t picked him , was in my original draft

sam6 · May 9, 2025

Devil's Elbow said:
Expected Zijlaard, Caruso and Hindley to be a lot more common. The former can't climb for ***, but should be able to get a few top-5s before not surviving the Alps.

Conversely, Bernal as the third-most popular rider is crazy to me.

Bernal is cheap and has shown he has improved on last year, where he was 3rd in Catalunya. He could well be top 5.

I picked Hindley and Caruso, but didn't think they'd be automatic. Caruso is 37 and past his best. I can't see him winning a stage or finishing above about 8th overall. I picked him, as I suspect he will pick up points in bits and pieces, but was torn between him and Marco Frigo. I also picked Hindley, but he's so hit and miss that you don't know how strong he will be, and you don't know how much work he will be doing for Roglic. Last year in the Tour, Roglic dropped out, meaning Hindley could get into breaks and go for stages, and yet he still only ended up with only 140 points in the Tour, and he might well be similar this Giro. I picked them both, but they were similar prices and I would have picked Bernal over Hindley.

Zijlaard is probably a good pick, but he's too obscure to be picked widely. I had barely heard of him and totally missed him, but had I noticed him I think I would have picked him. I suspect he will be not too far off in the sprints and already showed he could beat the likes of Kooij in Tirreno, and he might get a few points tomorrow too. But, as you said, any small amount of climbing will stop him getting to the finish and he could plausibly be OTL as soon as Sunday

Samu Cuenca · May 9, 2025

Picking Bouchard was a mistake, but at least I didn't allow myself to get excited about Landa's chances this early. I was also afraid of jinxing him, but that didn't work out anyway.

Armchair Cyclist · May 9, 2025

Samu Cuenca said:
Picking Bouchard was a mistake, but at least I didn't allow myself to get excited about Landa's chances this early. I was also afraid of jinxing him, but that didn't work out anyway.

A sad start for @laarsland, who has Landa as a UP

Armchair Cyclist · May 9, 2025

Sorry: no team similarity data this time, as I was halfway through doing it when I noticed an error in my table. I have fixed that now, but can't be bothered going back to redo all the ones I have already done (loads of copying and pasting, unless someone knows a fancy Excel trick). I did discover that our two teams with the most popular picks vary only in Tarling for DJW vs Rubio for Madrazo.

Armchair Cyclist · May 9, 2025

Sorry: going out for a meal, first set of results will be late tonight. But very few stage points is probably not breaching much of a secret.

laarsland · May 9, 2025

Just like Mikel himself I'm out of the running already on the first stage, though his pain is markedly bigger than mine.

Armchair Cyclist · May 9, 2025

Stage points

	points	teams
PEDERSEN Mads	70	0
VAN AERT Wout	40	0
AULAR SANABRIA Orluis Alberto	25	0
BUSATTO Francesco	15	0
PIDCOCK Thomas	10	0
ULISSI Diego	7	0
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio	5	5
POOLE Max	3	4
CONCI Nicola	2	3
PIGANZOLI Davide	1	5

Leadbelly has both Carapaz and Conci, and therefore the first lead in our minor classification lead (Onizuka also has two of the top ten).

1	Leadbelly	7
2	Armchair_Cyclist	5
2	Peixotini	5
2	Sam6	5
2	Vladimir	5
6	Onizuka999	4
7	Abbulf	3
7	Qazaqstan	3
7	Titan31	3
10	DJSprtsch	2
10	NBFC1962	2
12	Hfgon1	1
12	Nevs	1
12	RedheadDane	1
12	SlowClimber	1

Overall
Probably not much to be read into it at this stage, but this is with points for GC, points and KoM standings included, plus 18 points for the pink jersey wearer.

1	Leadbelly	633
2	Sam6	535
3	NBFC1962	518
4	SlowClimber	463
5	Peixotini	456
5	Titan31	456
7	Qazaqstan	439
8	DJSprtsch	433
9	Hayneplane	432
10	Onizuka999	426
11	Armchair_Cyclist	423
12	Madrazo	414
13	Abbulf	412
14	RedheadDane	395
15	Search	392
16	DevilsElbow	381
17	Nevs	380
18	HiHope	376
18	LosBrolin	376
20	DJW	355
20	Ingsve	355
22	Vladimir	353
23	Del1962	345
24	EvansIsTheBest	333
25	Hfgon1	319
26	Kazistuta	291
27	QueenStagiaire	290
28	Laarsland	288
29	BicycleBoy	283
30	BluesInTheBottle	273
31	Triley36	265
32	Josedin	260
33	YellowKnight	255
34	SamuCuenca	249
35	AmisVelo	247
36	JumboVismaFan	245
37	Bminchow	237
38	Rufs	214
	Collective_Wisdom	473
	Default	225

sam6 · Saturday at 12:29 AM

Funny that the most influential factor in the leaderboard so far is Richard Carapaz bringing in points by finishing 7th on a sprinters stage! Just as I predicted when I picked him!

Armchair Cyclist · Saturday at 8:43 AM

sam6 said:
Funny that the most influential factor in the leaderboard so far is Richard Carapaz bringing in points by finishing 7th on a sprinters stage! Just as I predicted when I picked him!

Indeed: top riders that were picked by their points yield at this stage:

CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio	195	5 teams
POOLE Max	168	4
CONCI Nicola	152	3
CICCONE Giulio	145	1
PIGANZOLI Davide	136	5
TIBERI Antonio	112	15
DOUBLE Paul	104	2
ENGELHARDT Felix	96	1
ROGLIC Primoz	90	6

Pedersen would be worth 665 at this point had anyone picked him. Popular picks Simon Yates and Ayuso are on 62 and 46 respectively.
To remind, or point out to those new to the game, stage points and pink jersey points are guaranteed to be kept (even if Pedersen were to DNF today, he will have 88 points (70 for stage win plus 18 pink jersey bonus); other points (GC, minor category standings) can be lost, so don't be surprised if Pedersen has a negative score for today, while still being one of the highest scoring.

The spreadsheet is here: I will update it at the same location, so unlike the season-long 'main' game, there is no archive of previous versions of the spreadsheet. I'd be happy to answer any questions if it makes no sense to you, or to take advice from anyone who knows Excel better than my trial and error solutions.

Armchair Cyclist · Saturday at 7:24 PM

Stage 2 Timetrial

Stage points

TARLING Joshua	70	2
ROGLIC Primoz	40	6
VINE Jay	25	0
AFFINI Edoardo	15	1
VACEK Mathias	10	0
HOOLE Daan	7	0
PEDERSEN Mads	5	0
MCNULTY Brandon	3	0
HAYTER Ethan	2	1
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	1	22

Today

1	DJW	71
2	YellowKnight	70
3	AmisVelo	41
4	NBFC1962	40
4	DevilsElbow	40
4	EvansIsTheBest	40
4	Triley36	40
4	SamuCuenca	40
9	RedheadDane	15
10	JumboVismaFan	3
11	19 teams	1
30	9 teams	0
	Collective_Wisdom	1
	Default	70

Standings
Yesterday's points were so low that today's points dominate.

1	DJW	71	(+15)
2	YellowKnight	70	(+14)
3	NBFC1962	42	(+7)
4	AmisVelo	41	(+12)
5	DevilsElbow	40	(+11)
5	EvansIsTheBest	40	(+11)
5	Triley36	40	(+11)
5	SamuCuenca	40	(+11)
9	RedheadDane	16	(+3)
10	Leadbelly	7	(-9)
11	Sam6	6	(-9)
11	Armchair_Cyclist	6	(-9)
11	Vladimir	6	(-9)
14	Peixotini	5	(-12)
15	Qazaqstan	4	(-8)
15	Onizuka999	4	(-9)
17	JumboVismaFan	3	(-1)
17	DJSprtsch	3	(-7)
17	Titan31	3	(-10)
17	Abbulf	3	(-10)
21	SlowClimber	2	(-9)
21	Nevs	2	(-9)
21	Hfgon1	2	(-9)
24	Madrazo	1	(-8)
24	Search	1	(-8)
24	HiHope	1	(-8)
24	LosBrolin	1	(-8)
24	Ingsve	1	(-8)
24	Del1962	1	(-8)
24	Kazistuta	1	(-8)
24	QueenStagiaire	1	(-8)
24	BluesInTheBottle	1	(-8)
24	Bminchow	1	(-8)
24	Rufs	1	(-8)
35	Hayneplane	0	(-19)
35	Laarsland	0	(-19)
35	BicycleBoy	0	(-19)
35	Josedin	0	(-19)
	Collective_Wisdom	1
	Default	70

Overall
I'll show the bigger gains and losses for riders that we have selected each day: some days the threshold for getting mentioned is pitifully low, but not today.

ROGLIC Primoz	476	6
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	195	22
DEL TORO ROMERO Isaac	149	3
TARLING Joshua	98	2
STORER Michael	92	2
TIBERI Antonio	53	15
YATES Simon	42	23
POOLE Max	25	4
HARPER Chris	20	13

RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto	-22	2
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander	-22	6
BARDET Romain	-26	1
CICCONE Giulio	-54	1
DOUBLE Paul	-58	2
ENGELHARDT Felix	-60	1
PIGANZOLI Davide	-61	5
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio	-100	5
CONCI Nicola	-110	3

Team changes today
Amis Velo is the only manager to have selected both Roglic and Ayuso. Does he have the right back up to support so much of the budget going on just two riders.

1	AmisVelo	691
2	DevilsElbow	552
3	Triley36	544
4	EvansIsTheBest	536
5	SamuCuenca	450
6	DJW	414
7	Del1962	370
8	NBFC1962	366
9	LosBrolin	321
10	Ingsve	316
11	Madrazo	294
12	BluesInTheBottle	281
13	HiHope	277
14	Bminchow	243
15	Kazistuta	241
16	Qazaqstan	240
16	JumboVismaFan	240
18	YellowKnight	224
19	Abbulf	223
20	Rufs	209
21	SlowClimber	201
22	Hayneplane	200
23	QueenStagiaire	196
24	Nevs	183
25	Search	178
26	Hfgon1	176
27	DJSprtsch	159
28	Sam6	157
29	Josedin	145
30	Armchair_Cyclist	143
31	Titan31	134
32	BicycleBoy	121
33	Laarsland	107
34	Vladimir	76
35	Peixotini	-2
36	Onizuka999	-27
37	RedheadDane	-109
38	Leadbelly	-192
	Collective_Wisdom	330
	Default	247

Standings
Let's assume that there won't be many other days with so many jumps and falls of 25 places or more.

1	AmisVelo	938	(+34)
2	DevilsElbow	933	(+14)
3	NBFC1962	884	(-)
4	EvansIsTheBest	869	(+20)
5	Triley36	809	(+26)
6	DJW	769	(+14)
7	Del1962	715	(+16)
8	Madrazo	708	(+4)
9	SamuCuenca	699	(+25)
10	LosBrolin	697	(+7)
11	Sam6	692	(-9)
12	Qazaqstan	679	(-5)
13	Ingsve	671	(+7)
14	SlowClimber	664	(-10)
15	HiHope	653	(+2)
16	Abbulf	635	(-3)
17	Hayneplane	632	(-8)
18	DJSprtsch	592	(-10)
19	Titan31	590	(-14)
20	Search	570	(-5)
21	Armchair_Cyclist	560	(-10)
22	Nevs	557	(-3)
23	BluesInTheBottle	554	(+7)
24	Kazistuta	532	(+2)
25	Hfgon1	495	(-)
26	QueenStagiaire	486	(+1)
27	JumboVismaFan	485	(+9)
28	Bminchow	480	(+9)
29	YellowKnight	479	(+4)
30	Peixotini	454	(-25)
31	Leadbelly	441	(-30)
32	Vladimir	429	(-10)
33	Rufs	423	(+5)
34	Josedin	405	(-2)
35	BicycleBoy	404	(-6)
36	Onizuka999	399	(-26)
37	Laarsland	395	(-9)
38	RedheadDane	286	(-24)
	Collective_Wisdom	803
	Default	472

Devil's Elbow · Saturday at 8:47 PM

Very encouraging start for us Roglic backers and Ayuso and Tiberi both underwhelming a bit only makes it better. Just had a look and I went in a different direction with my remaining budget than the other five Roglic teams, so at the very least I have a potential path to victory.

Qazaqstan · Sunday at 12:21 PM

Mainly missing S. Yates. I considered changing my team just before the deadline and include him, but I decided to stick with Rubio. I expect a lot from both Yates and Rubio. It is a gamble, but if Yates disappoints, I have a chance to do very well in this game

Armchair Cyclist · Sunday at 11:47 PM

Stage 3 lamtumirë Shqipëri

Stage points
Lots of us have selected sprinters, just not today's ones.

PEDERSEN Mads	70	0
STRONG Corbin	40	0
AULAR SANABRIA Orluis Alberto	25	0
RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith	15	0
ZAMBANINI Edoardo	10	0
OLDANI Stefano	7	1
VENDRAME Andrea	5	3
FIORELLI Filippo	3	3
SCARONI Christian	2	1
DE PRETTO Davide	1	0

Both scoring unique picks (Oldani and Scaroni) are in the team of our resident mistress of the unique pick

1	RedheadDane	9
2	Search	5
2	Rufs	5
2	Laarsland	5
5	QueenStagiaire	3
5	YellowKnight	3
5	Peixotini	3

Standings
That level of scoring shouldn't have much impact, but it changes the leader here.

1	YellowKnight	73	(+1)
2	DJW	71	(-1)
3	NBFC1962	42	(-)
4	AmisVelo	41	(-)
5	DevilsElbow	40	(-)
5	EvansIsTheBest	40	(-)
5	Triley36	40	(-)
5	SamuCuenca	40	(-)
9	RedheadDane	25	(-)
10	Peixotini	8	(+4)
11	Leadbelly	7	(-1)
12	Search	6	(+12)
12	Rufs	6	(+12)
12	Sam6	6	(-1)
12	Armchair_Cyclist	6	(-1)
12	Vladimir	6	(-1)
17	Laarsland	5	(+18)
18	QueenStagiaire	4	(+6)
18	Qazaqstan	4	(-3)
18	Onizuka999	4	(-3)
21	Abbulf	3	(-4)
21	DJSprtsch	3	(-4)
21	Titan31	3	(-4)
21	JumboVismaFan	3	(-4)
25	SlowClimber	2	(-4)
25	Nevs	2	(-4)
25	Hfgon1	2	(-4)
28	Del1962	1	(-4)
28	Madrazo	1	(-4)
28	LosBrolin	1	(-4)
28	Ingsve	1	(-4)
28	HiHope	1	(-4)
28	BluesInTheBottle	1	(-4)
28	Kazistuta	1	(-4)
28	Bminchow	1	(-4)
36	Hayneplane	0	(-1)
36	Josedin	0	(-1)
36	BicycleBoy	0	(-1)
	Collective_Wisdom	1
	Default	70

Overall points
Losses are more dramatic than gains today...

TONELLI Alessandro	35	1
BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello	23	2
OLDANI Stefano	8	1
YATES Simon	8	23
FIORELLI Filippo	6	3
CARUSO Damiano	6	8
HINDLEY Jai	6	7
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio	6	5

TARLING Joshua	-13	2
CICCONE Giulio	-15	1
ROGLIC Primoz	-131	6

...especially for the teams that had been at the top.

1	Hayneplane	51
2	Vladimir	36
3	JumboVismaFan	32
4	Leadbelly	29
5	Sam6	28
6	DJSprtsch	27
7	Search	25
8	QueenStagiaire	24
8	HiHope	24
10	Peixotini	23
11	LosBrolin	19
11	BicycleBoy	19
13	Armchair_Cyclist	18
13	Laarsland	18
13	Del1962	18
16	Qazaqstan	16
16	Kazistuta	16
18	Rufs	14
18	Hfgon1	14
18	Madrazo	14
21	Abbulf	13
21	Titan31	13
23	SlowClimber	12
23	Ingsve	12
25	Bminchow	10
26	YellowKnight	9
27	Onizuka999	6
27	BluesInTheBottle	6
29	RedheadDane	5
30	Nevs	3
31	Josedin	0
32	DJW	-1
33	DevilsElbow	-109
34	Triley36	-115
35	NBFC1962	-120
36	EvansIsTheBest	-126
37	AmisVelo	-129
37	SamuCuenca	-129
	Collective_Wisdom	24
	Default	-3

Standings
The Roglic teams, however, remain up at the top. But today's result does mean that those teams will not be picking up 18 pick jersey points per day, for a few stages at least.

1	DevilsElbow	824	(+1)
2	AmisVelo	809	(-1)
3	DJW	768	(+3)
4	NBFC1962	764	(-1)
5	EvansIsTheBest	743	(-1)
6	Del1962	733	(+1)
7	Madrazo	722	(+1)
8	Sam6	720	(+3)
9	LosBrolin	716	(+1)
10	Qazaqstan	695	(+2)
11	Triley36	694	(-6)
12	Hayneplane	683	(+5)
12	Ingsve	683	(+1)
14	HiHope	677	(+1)
15	SlowClimber	676	(-1)
16	Abbulf	648	(-)
17	DJSprtsch	619	(+1)
18	Titan31	603	(+1)
19	Search	595	(+1)
20	Armchair_Cyclist	578	(+1)
21	SamuCuenca	570	(-12)
22	BluesInTheBottle	560	(+1)
22	Nevs	560	(-)
24	Kazistuta	548	(-)
25	JumboVismaFan	517	(+2)
26	QueenStagiaire	510	(-)
27	Hfgon1	509	(-2)
28	Bminchow	490	(-)
29	YellowKnight	488	(-)
30	Peixotini	477	(-)
31	Leadbelly	470	(-)
32	Vladimir	465	(-)
33	Rufs	437	(-)
34	BicycleBoy	423	(+1)
35	Laarsland	413	(+2)
36	Onizuka999	405	(-)
36	Josedin	405	(-2)
38	RedheadDane	291	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	827
	Default	469

RedheadDane · Monday at 7:31 AM

Can't help but notice that I'm doing slightly better in the "stage point" competition than in the general competition...

ingsve · Tuesday at 4:55 PM

Did I see that right than Casper Van Uden is a unique pick for me? How did that happen?

Armchair Cyclist · Tuesday at 5:03 PM

ingsve said:
Did I see that right than Casper Van Uden is a unique pick for me? How did that happen?

Looks to be the case: Kooij was too expensive (I assume was the reasoning for no-one picking him. Six teams have Zijlard, including all of the top three as of this morning.

I'll probably do the update in about an hour or so.

Armchair Cyclist · Tuesday at 6:13 PM

Stage 4 Tornato in Italia

Stage points

VAN UDEN Casper	70	1
KOOIJ Olav	40	0
ZIJLAARD Maikel	25	6
PEDERSEN Mads	15	0
GROVES Kaden	10	5
BENNETT Sam	7	2
MAGNIER Paul	5	3
TURNER Ben	3	1
MOSCHETTI Matteo	2	3
ZANONCELLO Enrico	1	0

Onizuka (Zijlard and Magnier), Abbulf (Bennett and Magnier) and Josedin (Groves and Moschetti) manage two appearances in the top ten

1	Ingsve	70
2	Onizuka999	30
3	DevilsElbow	25
3	AmisVelo	25
3	DJW	25
3	Madrazo	25
3	Peixotini	25
8	Abbulf	12
8	Josedin	12
10	SamuCuenca	10
10	Nevs	10
10	Bminchow	10
10	Rufs	10
14	HiHope	7
15	Search	5
16	Titan31	3
17	Armchair_Cyclist	2
17	RedheadDane	2
	Default	2

Standings
Only three teams have picked a stage winner: only one of them has a second podium finisher.

1	DJW	96	(+1)
2	YellowKnight	73	(-1)
3	Ingsve	71	(+25)
4	AmisVelo	66	(-)
5	DevilsElbow	65	(-)
6	SamuCuenca	50	(-1)
7	NBFC1962	42	(-4)
8	EvansIsTheBest	40	(-3)
8	Triley36	40	(-3)
10	Onizuka999	34	(+8)
11	Peixotini	33	(-1)
12	RedheadDane	27	(-3)
13	Madrazo	26	(+15)
14	Rufs	16	(-2)
15	Abbulf	15	(+6)
16	Josedin	12	(+20)
16	Nevs	12	(+9)
18	Bminchow	11	(+10)
18	Search	11	(-6)
20	Armchair_Cyclist	8	(-8)
20	HiHope	8	(+8)
22	Leadbelly	7	(-11)
23	Sam6	6	(-11)
23	Titan31	6	(-2)
23	Vladimir	6	(-11)
26	Laarsland	5	(-9)
27	Qazaqstan	4	(-9)
27	QueenStagiaire	4	(-9)
29	DJSprtsch	3	(-8)
29	JumboVismaFan	3	(-8)
31	Hfgon1	2	(-6)
31	SlowClimber	2	(-6)
33	BluesInTheBottle	1	(-5)
33	Del1962	1	(-5)
33	Kazistuta	1	(-5)
33	LosBrolin	1	(-5)
37	BicycleBoy	0	(-1)
37	Hayneplane	0	(-1)
	Collective_Wisdom	1
	Default	72

Overall points
That intermediate sprint meant that Del Toro moved above Ayuso in GC, with ensuing points changes; Kelderman was absent from the main group, lost 30 something GC places, so lots of riders gain a few points; Tarling and Tonelli fell in the (so called) ciclamino rankings. By the standards of a sprint stage, that's actually quite a lot of non-stage point variation.

VAN UDEN Casper	95	1
ZIJLAARD Maikel	35	6
DEL TORO ROMERO Isaac	25	3
GROVES Kaden	13	5
YATES Simon	8	23
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio	8	5
BENNETT Sam	7	2
CARUSO Damiano	6	8
HINDLEY Jai	6	7
PIGANZOLI Davide	6	5

TARLING Joshua	-13	2
TONELLI Alessandro	-25	1
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	-25	22

1	Ingsve	84
2	Peixotini	58
3	DevilsElbow	55
4	Abbulf	52
5	Onizuka999	48
6	Leadbelly	33
7	Madrazo	26
8	BicycleBoy	21
8	Del1962	21
10	Titan31	19
11	Hayneplane	18
12	Josedin	15
13	Laarsland	14
14	SamuCuenca	13
15	DJW	11
16	AmisVelo	10
17	HiHope	8
17	Triley36	8
19	RedheadDane	7
19	Sam6	7
21	YellowKnight	6
22	EvansIsTheBest	5
23	Search	2
24	Armchair_Cyclist	1
25	Bminchow	0
26	NBFC1962	-1
27	QueenStagiaire	-2
27	Rufs	-2
29	DJSprtsch	-4
30	LosBrolin	-5
31	Nevs	-6
32	Hfgon1	-7
32	Kazistuta	-7
34	Qazaqstan	-9
34	SlowClimber	-9
36	JumboVismaFan	-13
37	Vladimir	-16
38	BluesInTheBottle	-19
	Collective_Wisdom	1
	Default	1

Standings
The three podium teams hang on, and with Amis Velo losing those points due to Ayuso, Devil's Elbow expands his lead.

1	DevilsElbow	879	(-)
2	AmisVelo	819	(-)
3	DJW	779	(-)
4	Ingsve	767	(+8)
5	NBFC1962	763	(-1)
6	Del1962	754	(-)
7	Madrazo	748	(-)
8	EvansIsTheBest	748	(-3)
9	Sam6	727	(-1)
10	LosBrolin	711	(-1)
11	Triley36	702	(-)
12	Hayneplane	701	(-)
13	Abbulf	700	(+3)
14	Qazaqstan	686	(-4)
15	HiHope	685	(-1)
16	SlowClimber	667	(-1)
17	Titan31	622	(+1)
18	DJSprtsch	615	(-1)
19	Search	597	(-)
20	SamuCuenca	583	(+1)
21	Armchair_Cyclist	579	(-1)
22	Nevs	554	(-)
23	BluesInTheBottle	541	(-1)
23	Kazistuta	541	(+1)
25	Peixotini	535	(+5)
26	QueenStagiaire	508	(-)
27	JumboVismaFan	504	(-2)
28	Leadbelly	503	(+3)
29	Hfgon1	502	(-2)
30	YellowKnight	494	(-1)
31	Bminchow	490	(-3)
32	Onizuka999	453	(+4)
33	Vladimir	449	(-1)
34	BicycleBoy	444	(-)
35	Rufs	435	(-2)
36	Laarsland	427	(-1)
37	Josedin	420	(-1)
38	RedheadDane	298	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	828
	Default	470

I have applied the tiebreaker to teams that would have been joint 7th: the principle is of least reliance on one rider, or, if you prefer, discount the rider providing most points as often as necessary to divide the teams. Evans has 375 points from Roglic, Madrazo's biggest contributor is Ayuso with 215, so Madrazo is credited with 7th place. If there is no difference between all the riders with more than 15 points, then the team with the highest placed rider outside the top 50 gets it. I guess if that was equal, I could count how many stages, or even km within a stage a rider remained in the race. And if the only difference between two teams rosters is two guys who went out in the same crash, or DNSed the same morning, then a draw has occurred. But I won't necessarily bother with applying it outside the top ten: if you really want to know whether tBlues in the Bottle or Kazistuta is the rightful holder of 23rd place, you can compare the teams for yourself.

Armchair Cyclist · Wednesday at 11:46 PM

Stage 5 is Pedersen's stage No 3

Stage points
The few riders that scored for us were probably not picked with a bunch sprint stage in mind.

PEDERSEN Mads	70	0
ZAMBANINI Edoardo	40	0
PIDCOCK Thomas	25	0
AULAR SANABRIA Orluis Alberto	15	0
FIORELLI Filippo	10	3
STORER Michael	7	2
PACHER Quentin	5	0
RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith	3	0
CARUSO Damiano	2	8
DEL TORO ROMERO Isaac	1	3

Yellow Knight has Fiorelli and Storer, Queen Stagiaire has Fiorelli and Caruso

1	YellowKnight	17
2	QueenStagiaire	12
3	Peixotini	10
4	Josedin	7
5	DevilsElbow	2
5	DJSprtsch	2
5	HiHope	2
5	LosBrolin	2
5	Qazaqstan	2
5	Sam6	2
5	SlowClimber	2
12	Abbulf	1
12	Del1962	1
12	Hayneplane	1
	Collective_Wisdom	2

Anyone regret not having splashed out on Pedersen yet?
Standings

1	DJW	96	(-)
2	YellowKnight	90	(-)
3	Ingsve	71	(-)
4	DevilsElbow	67	(+1)
5	AmisVelo	66	(-1)
6	SamuCuenca	50	(-)
7	Peixotini	43	(+4)
8	NBFC1962	42	(-1)
9	EvansIsTheBest	40	(-1)
9	Triley36	40	(-1)
11	Onizuka999	34	(-1)
12	RedheadDane	27	(-)
13	Madrazo	26	(-)
14	Josedin	19	(+2)
15	Abbulf	16	(-)
15	QueenStagiaire	16	(+12)
15	Rufs	16	(-1)
18	Nevs	12	(-2)
19	Bminchow	11	(-1)
19	Search	11	(-1)
21	HiHope	10	(-1)
22	Armchair_Cyclist	8	(-2)
22	Sam6	8	(+1)
24	Leadbelly	7	(-2)
25	Qazaqstan	6	(+2)
25	Titan31	6	(-2)
25	Vladimir	6	(-2)
28	DJSprtsch	5	(+1)
28	Laarsland	5	(-2)
30	SlowClimber	4	(+1)
31	JumboVismaFan	3	(-2)
31	LosBrolin	3	(+2)
33	Del1962	2	(-)
33	Hfgon1	2	(-2)
35	BluesInTheBottle	1	(-2)
35	Hayneplane	1	(+2)
35	Kazistuta	1	(-2)
38	BicycleBoy	0	(-1)
	Collective_Wisdom	3
	Default	72

Overall
Engelhart, Martinez and Aleotti missed the main group, therefore gifted a few points to riders in the 30s of GC

FIORELLI Filippo	14	3
STORER Michael	7	2
POELS Wout	7	2
STORK Florian	6	1
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander	6	6
ARENSMAN Thymen	6	7
KNOX James	6	1

HINDLEY Jai	-6	7
PIGANZOLI Davide	-6	5
ZIJLAARD Maikel	-7	6
TONELLI Alessandro	-8	1
ENGELHARDT Felix	-10	1
SCARONI Christian	-12	1
KRAGH ANDERSEN Søren	-15	2
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe	-27	2

Not big changes. Yellow Knight was top of the stage points, but Dani Martinez cost him that honour in the overall points on the day.

1	QueenStagiaire	26
2	Leadbelly	13
2	Peixotini	13
4	Del1962	8
5	Kazistuta	7
6	Qazaqstan	6
6	Titan31	6
8	Abbulf	5
9	BluesInTheBottle	4
9	EvansIsTheBest	4
9	Josedin	4
9	Laarsland	4
13	LosBrolin	2
14	Armchair_Cyclist	1
14	Vladimir	1
16	Ingsve	0
16	JumboVismaFan	0
18	Triley36	-1
19	YellowKnight	-2
20	Hayneplane	-3
20	Rufs	-3
20	SamuCuenca	-3
23	DJSprtsch	-5
23	Hfgon1	-5
23	NBFC1962	-5
26	AmisVelo	-7
26	Madrazo	-7
28	DJW	-9
29	HiHope	-10
29	Sam6	-10
29	SlowClimber	-10
32	BicycleBoy	-11
33	Onizuka999	-13
34	Search	-16
35	DevilsElbow	-17
36	Bminchow	-18
37	RedheadDane	-23
38	Nevs	-24
	Collective_Wisdom	-10
	Default	-2

Standings

1	DevilsElbow	862	(-)
2	AmisVelo	812	(-)
3	DJW	770	(-)
4	Ingsve	767	(-)
5	Del1962	762	(+1)
6	NBFC1962	758	(-1)
7	EvansIsTheBest	752	(+1)
8	Madrazo	741	(-1)
9	Sam6	717	(-)
10	LosBrolin	713	(-)
11	Abbulf	705	(+2)
12	Triley36	701	(-1)
13	Hayneplane	698	(-1)
14	Qazaqstan	692	(-)
15	HiHope	675	(-)
16	SlowClimber	657	(-)
17	Titan31	628	(-)
18	DJSprtsch	610	(-)
19	Search	581	(-)
20	Armchair_Cyclist	580	(+1)
20	SamuCuenca	580	(-)
22	Kazistuta	548	(+1)
22	Peixotini	548	(+3)
24	BluesInTheBottle	545	(-1)
25	QueenStagiaire	534	(+1)
26	Nevs	530	(-4)
27	Leadbelly	516	(+1)
28	JumboVismaFan	504	(-1)
29	Hfgon1	497	(-)
30	YellowKnight	492	(-)
31	Bminchow	472	(-)
32	Vladimir	450	(+1)
33	Onizuka999	440	(-1)
34	BicycleBoy	433	(-)
35	Rufs	432	(-)
36	Laarsland	431	(-)
37	Josedin	424	(-)
38	RedheadDane	275	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	818
	Default	468

One day there will be some more significant movement in GC, and therefore in points here, but I'm not expecting it to be tomorrow.

Armchair Cyclist · 2025-05-15T18:17:34+0100

Stage 6
Chaos into Naples

Stage points
Placings are neutralised for UCI and the ciclamino, but CQ gives stage points as usual (and I defer to CQ when there is controversy about scoring.

GROVES Kaden	70	5
FRETIN Milan	40	1
MAGNIER Paul	25	3
KANTER Max	15	0
LONARDI Giovanni	10	2
ZIJLAARD Maikel	7	6
MARCELLUSI Martin	5	2
MOZZATO Luca	3	1
GOVEKAR Matevz	2	3
KOOIJ Olav	1	0

And finally a sprint that makes it look as though some of us know something about this game:
Groves and Marcellusi just outpoint Fretin, Magnier and Zijlaard

1	Bminchow	75
2	Onizuka999	72
3	Josedin	70
3	Nevs	70
3	Rufs	70
3	SamuCuenca	70
7	Abbulf	25
7	Search	25
9	QueenStagiaire	10
9	Titan31	10
11	AmisVelo	7
11	DevilsElbow	7
11	DJW	7
11	Madrazo	7
11	Peixotini	7
16	Ingsve	5
16	Laarsland	5
18	JumboVismaFan	2
18	Triley36	2

Standings
Several more teams moved into the hunt with Groves' win

1	SamuCuenca	120	(+5)
2	Onizuka999	106	(+9)
3	DJW	103	(-2)
4	YellowKnight	90	(-2)
5	Josedin	89	(+9)
6	Bminchow	86	(+13)
6	Rufs	86	(+9)
8	Nevs	82	(+10)
9	Ingsve	76	(-6)
10	DevilsElbow	74	(-6)
11	AmisVelo	73	(-6)
12	Peixotini	50	(-5)
13	NBFC1962	42	(-5)
13	Triley36	42	(-4)
15	Abbulf	41	(-)
16	EvansIsTheBest	40	(-7)
17	Search	36	(+2)
18	Madrazo	33	(-5)
19	RedheadDane	27	(-7)
20	QueenStagiaire	26	(-5)
21	Titan31	16	(+4)
22	HiHope	10	(-1)
22	Laarsland	10	(+6)
24	Armchair_Cyclist	8	(-2)
24	Sam6	8	(-2)
26	Leadbelly	7	(-2)
27	Qazaqstan	6	(-2)
27	Vladimir	6	(-2)
29	DJSprtsch	5	(-1)
29	JumboVismaFan	5	(+2)
31	SlowClimber	4	(-1)
32	LosBrolin	3	(-1)
33	Del1962	2	(-)
33	Hfgon1	2	(-)
35	BluesInTheBottle	1	(-)
35	Hayneplane	1	(-)
35	Kazistuta	1	(-)
38	BicycleBoy	0	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	3
	Default	72

Overall
GC was neutralised, but the non-finishers (and non-starter) still of course lost their places and putative points, with others moving up. Although there were no sprint jersey points at the end, the early points cause some change there (and in the KoM)

GROVES Kaden	70	5
FRETIN Milan	40	1
PALENI Enzo	26	2
MAGNIER Paul	25	3
VAN DER HOORN Taco	18	2
LONARDI Giovanni	10	2

TONELLI Alessandro	-8	1
BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello	-15	2
HOLLMANN Juri	-15	1
HINDLEY Jai	-90	7

so considering the apparent neutralisation, there was a fair amount of change compared to the last few days (not always for the most positive of reasons.

1	Nevs	94
2	Bminchow	79
2	Onizuka999	79
4	SamuCuenca	74
5	Josedin	55
6	JumboVismaFan	35
7	Abbulf	31
8	QueenStagiaire	28
9	SlowClimber	16
9	Titan31	16
11	DJSprtsch	15
12	Madrazo	14
12	Qazaqstan	14
12	Vladimir	14
15	Leadbelly	13
16	DJW	12
17	Ingsve	11
17	Laarsland	11
19	LosBrolin	10
19	Peixotini	10
21	Kazistuta	9
22	AmisVelo	8
23	Hfgon1	7
23	Triley36	7
25	EvansIsTheBest	6
25	RedheadDane	6
27	Armchair_Cyclist	5
27	BicycleBoy	5
27	NBFC1962	5
30	BluesInTheBottle	4
30	YellowKnight	4
32	Rufs	-18
33	Search	-59
34	DevilsElbow	-76
35	HiHope	-78
36	Sam6	-80
37	Del1962	-87
38	Hayneplane	-90
	Collective_Wisdom	-78
	Default	4

Standings
The fall has a heavy cost for Devil's Elbow, the former leader being one of seven teams with Hindley.

1	AmisVelo	820	(+1)
2	DevilsElbow	786	(-1)
3	DJW	782	(-)
4	Ingsve	778	(-)
5	NBFC1962	763	(+1)
6	EvansIsTheBest	758	(+1)
7	Madrazo	755	(+1)
8	Abbulf	736	(+3)
9	LosBrolin	723	(+1)
10	Triley36	708	(+2)
11	Qazaqstan	706	(+3)
12	Del1962	675	(-7)
13	SlowClimber	673	(+3)
14	SamuCuenca	654	(+6)
15	Titan31	644	(+2)
16	Sam6	637	(-7)
17	DJSprtsch	625	(+1)
18	Nevs	624	(+8)
19	Hayneplane	608	(-6)
20	HiHope	597	(-5)
21	Armchair_Cyclist	585	(-1)
22	QueenStagiaire	562	(+3)
23	Peixotini	558	(-1)
24	Kazistuta	557	(-2)
25	Bminchow	551	(+6)
26	BluesInTheBottle	549	(-2)
27	JumboVismaFan	539	(+1)
28	Leadbelly	529	(-1)
29	Search	522	(-10)
30	Onizuka999	519	(+3)
31	Hfgon1	504	(-2)
32	YellowKnight	496	(-2)
33	Josedin	479	(+4)
34	Vladimir	464	(-2)
35	Laarsland	442	(+1)
36	BicycleBoy	438	(-2)
37	Rufs	414	(-2)
38	RedheadDane	281	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	740
	Default	472

Tomorrow may tell us more about whether our GC picks are wise ones.

Armchair Cyclist · 2025-05-16T18:13:18+0100

Stage 7 Was that the Giro proper starting?

Stage point
You got picked, you got picked: everyone got picked.

AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	70	22
DEL TORO ROMERO Isaac	40	3
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	25	19
ROGLIC Primoz	15	6
CICCONE Giulio	10	1
TIBERI Antonio	7	15
CARUSO Damiano	5	8
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio	3	5
POOLE Max	2	4
STORER Michael	1	2

You got points, you got points: everyone got points.

1	Del1962	110	Ayuso & Del Toro
2	SlowClimber	107	Ayuso, Bernal, Tiberi & Caruso
3	Sam6	103	Ayuso, Bernal, Caruso and Carapaz
4	DJW	102	Ayuso, Bernal, Tiberi
4	Ingsve	102
4	Madrazo	102
7	DJSprtsch	100
7	HiHope	100
7	QueenStagiaire	100
10	Armchair_Cyclist	98
11	Bminchow	95
11	JumboVismaFan	95
11	Kazistuta	95
11	Search	95
15	AmisVelo	85
16	LosBrolin	82
17	BluesInTheBottle	77
17	Nevs	77
17	Qazaqstan	77
20	Vladimir	73
21	Hayneplane	72
22	Hfgon1	70
22	Rufs	70
24	Abbulf	67
25	EvansIsTheBest	47
26	Titan31	34
27	Laarsland	32
28	Leadbelly	28
29	NBFC1962	22
30	DevilsElbow	20
31	SamuCuenca	15
31	Triley36	15
33	Peixotini	10
33	RedheadDane	10
35	Josedin	8
36	BicycleBoy	7
37	Onizuka999	2
38	YellowKnight	1
	Collective_Wisdom	107
	Default	25

Standings
Finally, everyone is off the mark. 1417 points had been scored in this classification in the first 6 stages: today Ayuso alone brought 1540 points to the board, and there were 2405 altogether. So previous standings count for little.

1	DJW	205	(+2)
2	Bminchow	181	(+4)
3	Ingsve	178	(+6)
4	Nevs	159	(+4)
5	AmisVelo	158	(+6)
6	Rufs	156	(-)
7	Madrazo	135	(+11)
7	SamuCuenca	135	(-6)
9	Search	131	(+8)
10	QueenStagiaire	126	(+10)
11	Del1962	112	(+22)
12	Sam6	111	(+12)
12	SlowClimber	111	(+19)
14	HiHope	110	(+8)
15	Abbulf	108	(-)
15	Onizuka999	108	(-13)
17	Armchair_Cyclist	106	(+7)
18	DJSprtsch	105	(+11)
19	JumboVismaFan	100	(+10)
20	Josedin	97	(-15)
21	Kazistuta	96	(+14)
22	DevilsElbow	94	(-12)
23	YellowKnight	91	(-19)
24	EvansIsTheBest	87	(-8)
25	LosBrolin	85	(+7)
26	Qazaqstan	83	(+1)
27	Vladimir	79	(-)
28	BluesInTheBottle	78	(+7)
29	Hayneplane	73	(+6)
30	Hfgon1	72	(+3)
31	NBFC1962	64	(-18)
32	Peixotini	60	(-20)
33	Triley36	57	(-20)
34	Titan31	50	(-13)
35	Laarsland	42	(-13)
36	RedheadDane	37	(-17)
37	Leadbelly	35	(-11)
38	BicycleBoy	7	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	110
	Default	97

Overall
Two days ago the range from the top net gain to worst net loss of any rider selected, was 41 points, and to make some sort of display, I posted any that gained or lost more than 5 points. Today...

AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	270	22
ROGLIC Primoz	158	6
DEL TORO ROMERO Isaac	130	3
TIBERI Antonio	107	15
STORER Michael	66	2
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	56	19
POOLE Max	52	4
CICCONE Giulio	38	1
CARUSO Damiano	35	8
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio	34	5
YATES Simon	30	23

ENGELHARDT Felix	-21	1
HIRT Jan	-23	2
PALENI Enzo	-24	2
STORK Florian	-24	1
CONCI Nicola	-33	3
BARDET Romain	-38	1

Two days ago, the range from best net gain to worst net loss of our teams was 50 points: today...

1	Madrazo	504
2	Ingsve	487
3	LosBrolin	486
4	DJW	484
5	Del1962	470
6	SlowClimber	454
7	AmisVelo	449
8	Sam6	425
9	BluesInTheBottle	419
10	Qazaqstan	415
11	HiHope	413
12	Kazistuta	407
13	DJSprtsch	392
14	QueenStagiaire	372
15	Armchair_Cyclist	367
16	Bminchow	356
17	Hayneplane	353
18	Nevs	348
19	EvansIsTheBest	339
20	Search	335
21	JumboVismaFan	307
22	Abbulf	298
22	Vladimir	298
24	Rufs	292
25	Titan31	267
26	Hfgon1	263
27	NBFC1962	246
28	DevilsElbow	244
29	Triley36	242
30	Laarsland	187
31	Josedin	173
31	Peixotini	173
33	BicycleBoy	157
34	Leadbelly	145
35	SamuCuenca	120
36	YellowKnight	91
37	Onizuka999	59
38	RedheadDane	48
	Collective_Wisdom	520
	Default	63

but nobody lost points on the day, which is very rare.

Standings
Amis Velo returns to the top, but its very tight

1	AmisVelo	1269
2	DJW	1266
3	Ingsve	1265
4	Madrazo	1259
5	LosBrolin	1209
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Amis Velo is the only manager to have picked both Roglic and Ayuso. The three teams so close behind him all have Ayuso, Tiberi and Simon Yates as their lead scorers. The second highest Roglic team is Evans is the Best in ninth.

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