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I'd prefer Iseran-Tignes.Ferminal said:Maybe next time we get Tignes we can have Arpettaz-Saises-Roselend.
Problems with it are:Netserk said:I would like to see Entre-deux-Eaux. Can both be linked with Cenis and Iseran.
Leonardus said:Not sure if the Malaucene side of the Mont Ventoux should have been included in this list. It's the same mountain and, as already pointed out, both sides have the same lenght and average gradient. The only difference is the historic perspective and so they keep doing the climb from Bedoin.
This is one of the most famous mountains of the TdF and there is not much still to discover on this mountain. Much more interesting and relatively unknown climbs have already been mentioned in this topic and this climb doesn't really fit in here.
There seems to be good space to me. A parking lot and the ski station after the climb.Linkinito said:Problems with it are:
- Place at the summit is very limited (and the road isn't probably paved up to it)
- It's in the heart of a National Park (Vanoise), where the access to motor vehicles is forbidden.
Ferminal said:Yeh, I can imagine if the Vuelta is ever in the area they will choose the Malaucene side![]()
Netserk said:Would've suggested Plateau des Saix if it weren't for this:
Linkinito said:Considered it.But the fact is MTF on stations are highly dependent of the will of these stations to be in the Tour de France. That's why I only kept one, and it's not Val Thorens. It's not like passes which can be taken without needing a candidature.
Well, the list had some changes. ^^Linkinito said:I can't reveal anything about the list, but all I can say it's still not final.
Would love to see Mantet and Portet thenLinkinito said:Well, the list had some changes. ^^
Linkinito said:#15: Plateau des Saix (Haute-Savoie)
The Joux-Plane neighbor
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When you go up the valley of the river Giffre, you end up into the city of Samoëns. If you continue, you finish in dead ends, and there's only three ways out: doing a u-turn, but that's the coward way. The other two just go up, up, and away into two climbs that are part of the hardest in France. If you turn left, you'll have to climb the col de Joux-Plane, that leads to Morzine, and is one of the classics in the Tour. If you turn right, you end up into another dead end, but it's one of the steepest you can find on the hexagon.
The ski resort of Samoëns 1600, also known as the Plateau des Saix, never hosted the Tour de France, or any other professional cycling race. It's probably because it wasn't really interested by having a stage finish, but when the road was constructed up to the station, even if there wasn't a cycling race in mind, it offers an incredible challenge that is hard to find somewhere else in France. Being short but incredibly steep, it's harder than the Ax-3-Domaines finish that will be featured in this year's Tour. And therefore, making it another HC-worthy climb and a welcomed addition to this list.
The profile just says it all, with some red color all over the place.
Top: 1626 m
Length: 10 km
Ascent: 924 m
Average gradient: 9.2 %
Climbbybike Difficulty score: 120
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Starting in Samoëns, the first 2 kilometers are the easiest, but go in a slow crescendo to prepare for one of the hardest roads you'll ever find in France. The following 3 000 meters go above 11 %, with ramps over 15 %! And the second part of the climb is a bit less steeper, but always flirt with the double-digit gradients. Relentless and challenging, the climb has the only advantage for the rider to be short. It will probably be one of the shortest HC climbs (as it's borderline with 1st category: for example, the col de Menté is 9.3 km at 9.1 % and is Cat. 1) alongside Semnoz.
Of course, this climb will only happen in a race if the station has the will to host a stage finish. So the professionals might wait a bit before having to face the terrible and demanding slopes of this short, but grueling, climb. The amateurs that also like to climb Joux-Plane also know the difficulty of the Plateau des Saix, and represents another behemoth in the Haute-Savoie département. Sportively, this climb has a great interest, and it only needs some people up there to push it into the light of the Tour de France. As long as we don't know the applicants to host a Tour each year, we can't really know if they try or not. But if they do, the time until it gets featured might be short... Like this climb.
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As long as they are not candidates, they'll always ignore them. And they'll nearly always prefer a Morzine finish.Kwibus said:Great climb. Like most on the list so far, but I try not to get too enthusiastic since the Tour will probably ignore them anyways.