32 may be indicted in Mantua Investigation

[sniper]

I read that or something similar a few days back. Rasmussen saying the system is broken is not going to help his case! But Rasmussen is not the full shilling, he still believes he didn't break any rules when he was thrown out of the TdF!!

If he means the rules of the pro-peloton, then he's correct.

 

[sniper]

I read that or something similar a few days back. Rasmussen saying the system is broken is not going to help his case! But Rasmussen is not the full shilling, he still believes he didn't break any rules when he was thrown out of the TdF!!

exactly, he says all that in the german interview as well.
his case against Rabobank is apparently still running.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I read that or something similar a few days back. Rasmussen saying the system is broken is not going to help his case! But Rasmussen is not the full shilling, he still believes he didn't break any rules when he was thrown out of the TdF!!

Technically, he might be correct. I recollect there being no rule broken while at the TdF. No positive. Nothing.

Is going missing for a test an infraction of some UCI rule? Probably. Why wasn't anything done around the time of the missing test? Strange how nothing happened until the guy is leading the TdF. But for leading the TdF, the guy would probably still be in the pro peloton.

That's the UCI in a nutshell, wildly inconsistent rules enforcement and some kind of double-secret rider popularity contest always in motion.

 

[hfer07]

I just found these comments by Dan Benson a little odd.



1. Last year Ballan was officially under investigation. Nothing came of that investigation for over a month so BMC had no reason to suspend them.
2. Ballan is yet to have official charges laid on him. So how have BMC broken 'UCI's ethical standings"?

right- Like the UCI has any "ethical Standings" at all.....
Ballan seems to me to have his cycling days counted-nothing good is going to come out of this mess since every single news about that investigation keeps getting him compromised -no matter how hard BMC & Ochowicz are trying to cover it up to maintain appearances..

 

[Benotti69]

Technically, he might be correct. I recollect there being no rule broken while at the TdF. No positive. Nothing.

Is going missing for a test an infraction of some UCI rule? Probably. Why wasn't anything done around the time of the missing test? Strange how nothing happened until the guy is leading the TdF. But for leading the TdF, the guy would probably still be in the pro peloton.

That's the UCI in a nutshell, wildly inconsistent rules enforcement and some kind of double-secret rider popularity contest always in motion.

It might be interesting to see what happens with Court case against Rabobank and their so called internal rules.

But remember CAS upheld his ban.

 

[poupou]

Technically, he might be correct. I recollect there being no rule broken while at the TdF. No positive. Nothing.

Is going missing for a test an infraction of some UCI rule? Probably. Why wasn't anything done around the time of the missing test? Strange how nothing happened until the guy is leading the TdF. But for leading the TdF, the guy would probably still be in the pro peloton.

That's the UCI in a nutshell, wildly inconsistent rules enforcement and some kind of double-secret rider popularity contest always in motion.

No, ASO who were in charge of invitation at that TDF had specified that rider who had missed a doping test could not be included in TDF team.
So Rasmussen and/or Rabobank didn't respect their duty.

 

[Benotti69]

http://www.ciclonews.it/news_scheda.php?id=29200

The suspects - Here are the names of suspects. Accused of Commerce: Guido Nigrelli, Sergio Gelati, Roberto Messina, Paul Brass, Sebastian Gilmozzi.

The alleged touts of substances taken by athletes and Mariano Piccoli, Giuseppe Saronni, Fabio Della Torre and Maurizio Piovani.

Cyclists presumed underwriters: Alessandro Ballan, Marco Bandiera, Emanuele Bartoli, Marzio Bruseghin, Pietro Caucchioli, Damiano Cunego, Mauro Da Dalto, Mirco Lorenzetto, Emanuel Mori, Massimiliano Mori, Simon Penz, Mauro Santambrogio, Francesco Tomei, Daniel Pietropolli, Paolo Pezzini, Nicholas Castrini, Emanuele Bindi, Matteo Zambrone (this is a player).

And again Ibarguren Jose, belonging to a Spanish cycling team. Singular - investigators say - that Spain has had the need to speak with your pharmacist Mariana Mantovana, the sample Dane Michael Rasmussen, already kicked out of Tour de France for doping.

And finally the doctor Fiorenzo Benazzi, according to the accusation made by the prosecutor Mantua, would practice of blood transfusion in a clinic in the province of Brescia Montichiari.

a round up all those involved in the investigation.

 

[Michele]

The case has got enough proof for start a proceding against the 32 investigated.

Funny the nicknames used by the pharmacists during the phone calls with his clients.

 

[Benotti69]

The case has got enough proof for start a proceding against the 32 investigated.

Funny the nicknames used by the pharmacists during the phone calls with his clients.

All those invloved should be suspended from the sport till the investigation is completed.

 

[rhubroma]

People don't get that Italy has some different/strange laws about criminal investigations.
As far as I know the police is required to notify everybody they're investigating against of just that; and that's then often made up to "XY is suspected of doping/killing their grandma/whatever" although their name may only have surfaced during the investigation.
And they also have to notify people when the investigation is finally closed, and invite/request them to a trial.

That's all I can see in this article, nothing more.
I'm not saying those riders are clean, I'm just asking you not to read too much into this.

In fact Italy has imbedded in its judicial process, a certain procedural safeguard to protect citizens from the State or police investigators acting too zealously against them, and from concealing too much from them in covert operations; which could potentially be viewed as a denial of rights and a return to Fascism. Thus the terrible legacy of the Fascist period, when the opposition felt the full force of the Police State’s repression (illegal arrests, summary hearings, scandalous condemnations against the innocent, etc.) has left its mark. This has meant that in the Italian judicial process today, one who is under investigation and going to be (or even not) called to present himself in court, must be forewarned before being so.

You are correct, then, in calling for caution. Just because someone was investigated, in no way means they will be indicted. The downturn of this, however, is that Italian politicians who are under investigation, or were even initially condemned by a judge for illicit acts (because there are 3 grades of justice, and only the last is irrevocable), feel no need to resign from their parliamentary positions. Italy’s parliament is thus filled with politicians who are either under investigation for something or other, or else at the appellant court!

Welcome to the wacky world of Italian justice.

 

[roundabout]

The case has got enough proof for start a proceding against the 32 investigated.

Funny the nicknames used by the pharmacists during the phone calls with his clients.

It's almost groundhog day.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mantova-investigation-set-to-reveal-accused-during-giro-ditalia

 

[Fourier]

Funny the nicknames used by the pharmacists during the phone calls with his clients.

I hadn't heard the name "Topo Gigio" since I was 8 years old

 

[hrotha]

It's pretty terrible to be caught with a nickname like that. You get the court time, the suspension, the fine, but above all the derision. Think of poor Jörg "Bella" Jackshe. "I am Bella" of course you are Jörg.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

BMC Racing Team to support riders linked to Mantova case

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ers-linked-to-Mantova-case.aspx#ixzz1qWUECwLO

 

[Libertine Seguros]

A month til the Giro? About time to wheel this one out again then. BMC have just got bored of internally suspending Ballan and Santambrogio and can't be bothered this time.

 

[El Pistolero]

Can't blame them. I wouldn't mind if they finally banned Ballan and Cunego, but to always bring up this case during the spring classics is obnoxious...

 

[roundabout]

I wouldn't mind seeing Jose Ibarguren get kicked out of cycling for good.

 

[luckyboy]

It seems he followed Omega Pharma from Lotto to QuickStep this season.

Maybe this is a bit too cynical but, he was at Saunier-Duval during their wonder years, was with Gilbert during his wonder years, and is now with QuickStep during their wonder early season.

 

[luckyboy]

http://www.ciclonews.it/news_scheda.php?id=29200

The suspects - Here are the names of suspects. Accused of Commerce: Guido Nigrelli, Sergio Gelati, Roberto Messina, Paul Brass, Sebastian Gilmozzi.

The alleged touts of substances taken by athletes and Mariano Piccoli, Giuseppe Saronni, Fabio Della Torre and Maurizio Piovani.

Cyclists presumed underwriters: Alessandro Ballan, Marco Bandiera, Emanuele Bartoli, Marzio Bruseghin, Pietro Caucchioli, Damiano Cunego, Mauro Da Dalto, Mirco Lorenzetto, Emanuel Mori, Massimiliano Mori, Simon Penz, Mauro Santambrogio, Francesco Tomei, Daniel Pietropolli, Paolo Pezzini, Nicholas Castrini, Emanuele Bindi, Matteo Zambrone (this is a player).

And again Ibarguren Jose, belonging to a Spanish cycling team. Singular - investigators say - that Spain has had the need to speak with your pharmacist Mariana Mantovana, the sample Dane Michael Rasmussen, already kicked out of Tour de France for doping.

And finally the doctor Fiorenzo Benazzi, according to the accusation made by the prosecutor Mantua, would practice of blood transfusion in a clinic in the province of Brescia Montichiari.

a round up all those involved in the investigation.

Paul Brass = Paolo Bossoli? Surely they mean Paolo Bossoni
Simone Penz = Simone Ponzi

Anyone know who Nicola Castrini and Emanuele Bartoli are?

Francesco Gavazzi has been missed out of that list. And it seem that a retired cyclist, Stefano Cavallari was one of the 32, but has now been acquitted due to clerical error - http://www.cicloweb.it/news/2012/03...31-stefano-cavallari-in-elenco-per-errore.htm


Also, these names have floated about the investigation, don't know what happened with them.

Fabrizio Bontempi*(Lampre DS) [was supposed to have encouraged riders to visit Nigrelli.]
Dr. Carlo Guardascione*(Lampre doctor)
Dr. Andrea Andreazzolli*(Former Lampre doctor, now with Astana) [acquitted - http://translate.google.com/transla...solto-andreazzoli-ex-medico-lampre-1.3090909]
Paolo Pezzi (?)
Francesco Bonazzi*(?)
Geo Bonazzi*(?)

 

[Race Radio]

Does not look good for the riders involved.

CONI will get access to the files
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/coni-to-gain-access-to-mantova-papers

 

[Dear Wiggo]

To be honest I am so jaded with the cases with evidence that lead to no action that I am taking this latest news with a very large grain of salt. Until something is actually done about the riders and their helpers, it's SSDD.

 

[Benotti69]

Hope CONi ban them all for min 2 years.

 

[Caruut]

The pace of doping court cases is truly ridiculous. Have been caught out at 28, Ballan has managed to ride through his golden years more or less unscathed. It's now looking more or less like he will retire before the case closes on him. Even if he wasn't planning to retire this early, he will now probably just announce his retirement the moment he starts to feel the net truly closing in on him.

 

[armchairclimber]

Agreed. Better late than never though.

 

[martinvickers]

To be honest I am so jaded with the cases with evidence that lead to no action that I am taking this latest news with a very large grain of salt. Until something is actually done about the riders and their helpers, it's SSDD.

Same sh!t, different Diaper?