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CHGJ2000

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Would be nice to see him do well, but struggling to see the basis for the Van Wilder hype.

He was 10th in the Provence TT last year (losing 20s in a 7KM TT to Ganna) and 14th at t1 in the TDS TT before crashing just before the finish. Obviously, he's in very good shape; however, he was going pretty well in Provence last year as well. His performances in fast TT's (50 kph+) like tomorrow will be seems relatively poor compared to his performances in very hilly TTs. Which makes sense considering his size and not particularly special position.
 
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CHGJ2000 said:
Would be nice to see him do well, but struggling to see the basis for the Van Wilder hype.

He was 10th in the Provence TT last year (losing 20s in a 7KM TT to Ganna) and 14th at t1 in the TDS TT before crashing just before the finish. Obviously, he's in very good shape; however, he was going pretty well in Provence last year as well. His performances in fast TT's (50 kph+) like tomorrow will be seems relatively poor compared to his performances in very hilly TTs. Which makes sense considering his size and not particularly special position.
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lol

In TDS he was going to finish 9th in the TT going by his time at 2km from the finish, just before his crash.

Provence was a short TT.

Both TT's came after him coming back from illness or injury.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
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In TDS he was going to finish 9th in the TT going by his time at 2km from the finish, just before his crash.

Provence was a short TT.

Both TT's came after him coming back from illness or injury.
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Okay, he was going to finish 9th, around the same time as Fuglsang or Powless (with a bike change). That's not much of a change. Unless the argument is that Van Wilder is much better at longer efforts, discounting Provence because it was short seems a bit off. Not sure on the illness or injury point, but Van Wilder was clearly in some of his best form in Provence, so seems pretty irrelevant.

Essentially you're saying, Van Wilder has zero top-level fast TT performances, of any length in the pros and the ones that he did meh on don't count for various reasons. So what is the rationale supposed to be for hyping him? Especially over someone like Almeida who even with UAE last year had a fast TT performance that dwarfs anything Van Wilder has done.
 
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CHGJ2000 said:
Essentially you're saying, Van Wilder has zero top-level fast TT performances, of any length in the pros and the ones that he did meh on don't count for various reasons. So what is the rationale supposed to be for hyping him? Especially over someone like Almeida who even with UAE last year had a fast TT performance that dwarfs anything Van Wilder has done.
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In the season he turned 21 he had proper TT results. We are now 2 years later, where he grew as a cyclist and is in proper shape. I'm 100% sure he will ride faster than Almeida.
  1. 4th in the NC TT
  2. 5th in Dauphiné
  3. 4th in Tour de Romandie
 
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Berniece said:
In the season he turned 21 he had proper TT results. We are now 2 years later, where he grew as a cyclist and is in proper shape. I'm 100% sure he will ride faster than Almeida.
  1. 4th in the NC TT
  2. 5th in Dauphiné
  3. 4th in Tour de Romandie
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He was also 1 minute behind Remco and 50s behind Dennis on this exact course (give or take a few kms) as a 19y neopro in his first pro race.

3 years later he should be able to reduce his deficit to the first ones, even if Ganna may be able to be stronger now than Remco was back then.
 
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with Ganna I rarely had the impression that showing good shape in normal stages also translated to his time trial results. He may still win, of course, but not sure it'll be by a big margin.
 
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Berniece said:
In the season he turned 21 he had proper TT results. We are now 2 years later, where he grew as a cyclist and is in proper shape. I'm 100% sure he will ride faster than Almeida.
  1. 4th in the NC TT
  2. 5th in Dauphiné
  3. 4th in Tour de Romandie
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Don't get me wrong, those were impressive results and I think Van Wilder has a lot of potential in hard hilly TT's, but the NC TT one is the only thing that is semi-comparable to Algarve course wise, although that NC's course was dominated by corners. The other two were hard hilly courses (average ~45 kph). I guess we'll see though, will help my Velogames if you're right :tearsofjoy:
 
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CHGJ2000 said:
Don't get me wrong, those were impressive results and I think Van Wilder has a lot of potential in hard hilly TT's, but the NC TT one is the only thing that is semi-comparable to Algarve course wise, although that NC's course was dominated by corners. The other two were hard hilly courses (average ~45 kph). I guess we'll see though, will help my Velogames if you're right :tearsofjoy:
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To be fair the average today has been low. Asgreen is a decent TTer and he has done 45kph average so far, and I think he will do 47kph tops in the final, judging by the gain Bittner had.

Two years ago Asgreen won in almost 51kph and Evenepoel won in 2020 with more than 50kph.
 
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For most of the Europeans:

15u48 – Stefan Küng (Groupama-FDJ)
15u57 – Tobias Foss (Jumbo-Visma)
15u59 – Filippo Ganna (INEOS Grenadiers)
16u01 – Magnus Cort (EF Education-EasyPost)
16u03 – Daniel Felipe Martínez (INEOS Grenadiers)
16u09 – Sergio Higuita (BORA-hansgrohe)
16u11 – João Almeida (UAE Emirates)
16u13 – Ilan Van Wilder (Soudal-Quick-Step)
16u15 – Tom Pidcock (INEOS Grenadiers)
 
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No offense to Reichenbach, but I think they could have found a better rider to follow for extended periods of time.
 
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