59th Itzulia Basque Country (2.UWT) 8 - 13 April

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It will be hard to form a dangerous group without a BORA rider, because BORA has more GC relevant riders than any other team at this point. But yeah, this is cycling and there are a lot of things that might go wrong for BORA. One crash or mechanical for Konrad or Schachmann might change the dymanics completely. Or if there are multiple teams trying to form a move, the number of attempts might be so big that BORA will fail to place a right rider in the move eventually.

But it will be a big ask to isolate Buchmann for anyone.
 
Feb 20, 2010
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I was somewhat amused at the little scene of Luísle high fiving a "fan" who then gave him a push when he was solo on Ixua (which was only 'sort of' the Alto de Ixua, the various Arrates/Ixuas are a bit confusing). Spanish commentary seemed amused, English commentary was completely befuddled. Kirby referenced "obviously someone he knows"... well, yes, it would be. It was his brother, Pedro León, who plays for SD Eibar.

The issue is that "Arrate" is not actually the summit - there are two summits, Ixua (sometimes called Izua as per this year's race) and Usartza. The main road from Eibar to the Santuário de Arrate is the traditional side of the climb, used for many years in this race, in the Euskal Bizikleta and the Subida a Arrate. 5km from Eibar, there is a left turn; continuing straight on takes you to Arrate, and turning left takes you over the Alto de Ixua, to Markina-Xemein.

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Comparison of the traditional sides of Arrate and Ixua. The high point of the Arrate route is the Alto de Usartza.

For many years this was the only fully paved side of the road. Therefore, the most common route for the race was to simply go over Ixua, double back over the Alto de San Miguel to Elgoibar, and then climb all the way to the summit before using a "mountaintop finish" at Arrate (in much the same way as Xorret del Catí, it's a "sort of" MTF). Examples like this, from 2010:

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In recent years we've seen two alternative routes introduced. The first, through Arrate to Usartza via the industrial estate at Azitain, starting at the N-634 roundabout to the northeast of Eibar rather than the town itself, allows Arrate to be a mountaintop finish (you can see it at around a kilometre from the summit here):

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This is the version from the TT a couple of years ago when Quintana won the race, descending the traditional side of the climb back into the town.

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This also means that they can do a very short double Arrate loop, climbing the same brutal side twice consecutively, although that option has not been taken up in a pro race to date. On the descent they would pass the Ixua junction, but it would not be worth considering Ixua the summit as it would only be a 350m ramp after a couple of kilometres descent. The hormigón side, which they climbed yesterday, is this one:

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That profile only includes the route to Usartza, but you can see the junction for Eibar at the 3,9km mark - this is where they turned left yesterday onto a proper road and then almost immediately right to do the 350m ascent to Ixua, hence why they gave the points out at Ixua even though it wasn't the outright high point of the road that they took (similar I guess to the La Molina GPM in the Volta a Catalunya). For a long time the Matsaria side was used as a rat run by fans trying to get up to the key parts of the climb for the races, but not considered capable of handling the pros, it seems in better condition than a few years ago although that may just have been from giving it a good clean, as it used to be absolutely bathed in detritus from the trees.
 
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Since Buchmann is pretty safe in frist place, is there anyone threatening 2nd or 3rd from behind?
 
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1 Emanuel Buchmann (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 16:23:30
2 Ion Izagirre Insausti (Spa) Astana Pro Team 0:00:54
3 Maximilian Schachmann (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 0:01:04
4 Daniel Martin (Irl) UAE Team Emirates 0:01:32
5 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Astana Pro Team 0:01:32
6 Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe 0:01:55
7 Adam Yates (GBr) Mitchelton-Scott 0:01:56
8 Daniel Martínez (Col) EF Education First 0:02:11
9 Mikel Landa (Spa) Movistar Team 0:02:25
10 Tadej Pogaar (Slo) UAE Team Emirates 0:02:25

Dan Martin 30 seconds behind Schachmann seems the only threat to a podium spot - barring an accident.
 
Nov 16, 2013
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Re:

Robert5091 said:
1 Emanuel Buchmann (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 16:23:30
2 Ion Izagirre Insausti (Spa) Astana Pro Team 0:00:54
3 Maximilian Schachmann (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 0:01:04
4 Daniel Martin (Irl) UAE Team Emirates 0:01:32
5 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Astana Pro Team 0:01:32
6 Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe 0:01:55
7 Adam Yates (GBr) Mitchelton-Scott 0:01:56
8 Daniel Martínez (Col) EF Education First 0:02:11
9 Mikel Landa (Spa) Movistar Team 0:02:25
10 Tadej Pogaar (Slo) UAE Team Emirates 0:02:25

Dan Martin 30 seconds behind Schachmann seems the only threat to a podium spot - barring an accident.

Fuglsang is on time with Martin and has been stronger than him?
 
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tobydawq said:
Robert5091 said:
1 Emanuel Buchmann (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 16:23:30
2 Ion Izagirre Insausti (Spa) Astana Pro Team 0:00:54
3 Maximilian Schachmann (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 0:01:04
4 Daniel Martin (Irl) UAE Team Emirates 0:01:32
5 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Astana Pro Team 0:01:32
6 Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe 0:01:55
7 Adam Yates (GBr) Mitchelton-Scott 0:01:56
8 Daniel Martínez (Col) EF Education First 0:02:11
9 Mikel Landa (Spa) Movistar Team 0:02:25
10 Tadej Pogaar (Slo) UAE Team Emirates 0:02:25

Dan Martin 30 seconds behind Schachmann seems the only threat to a podium spot - barring an accident.

Fuglsang is on time with Martin and has been stronger than him?

That's what the website says!
 
May 5, 2010
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Robert5091 said:
tobydawq said:
Robert5091 said:
1 Emanuel Buchmann (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 16:23:30
2 Ion Izagirre Insausti (Spa) Astana Pro Team 0:00:54
3 Maximilian Schachmann (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 0:01:04
4 Daniel Martin (Irl) UAE Team Emirates 0:01:32
5 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Astana Pro Team 0:01:32
6 Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe 0:01:55
7 Adam Yates (GBr) Mitchelton-Scott 0:01:56
8 Daniel Martínez (Col) EF Education First 0:02:11
9 Mikel Landa (Spa) Movistar Team 0:02:25
10 Tadej Pogaar (Slo) UAE Team Emirates 0:02:25

Dan Martin 30 seconds behind Schachmann seems the only threat to a podium spot - barring an accident.

Fuglsang is on time with Martin and has been stronger than him?

That's what the website says!

Yes, Martin is ahead of Fuglsang in GC - possibly due to, something - but since they're in same time it wouldn't take much for Fuglsang to jump ahead of Martin, and maybe even onto the podium.
 
Nov 16, 2013
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Robert5091 said:
tobydawq said:
Robert5091 said:
1 Emanuel Buchmann (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 16:23:30
2 Ion Izagirre Insausti (Spa) Astana Pro Team 0:00:54
3 Maximilian Schachmann (Ger) Bora-Hansgrohe 0:01:04
4 Daniel Martin (Irl) UAE Team Emirates 0:01:32
5 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Astana Pro Team 0:01:32
6 Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe 0:01:55
7 Adam Yates (GBr) Mitchelton-Scott 0:01:56
8 Daniel Martínez (Col) EF Education First 0:02:11
9 Mikel Landa (Spa) Movistar Team 0:02:25
10 Tadej Pogaar (Slo) UAE Team Emirates 0:02:25

Dan Martin 30 seconds behind Schachmann seems the only threat to a podium spot - barring an accident.

Fuglsang is on time with Martin and has been stronger than him?

That's what the website says!

I know, I was just wondering why you thought Martin was more of a threat to the podium than Fuglsang, while the latter has been the stronger of the two.
 
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Ulissi and Henao up the road in the break good news for Dan Martin.

Would think that with Fugelsang's teammate in second place on GC, it would be more likely that Dan Martin would go for that 3rd podium spot. It's possible of course that both could over take Schachmann!
 
Nov 16, 2013
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I really love these final mountain stages of the week long stage races. I'm glad they have finally switched the time trial away from the last race day in Itzulia.
 
Apr 12, 2015
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Fuglsang has to go on Karakate. At least for a potential stage after yesterday's failed tactics.
 
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tobydawq said:
I really love these final mountain stages of the week long stage races. I'm glad they have finally switched the time trial away from the last race day in Itzulia.
Its a completely different dynamic to the race when you do it like this - the general rule of thumb should always be to have the time trial before a block of mountain stages in GTs as well. Riders know exactly what they have to make up, but more importantly, any caution over saving energy for the time trial (which is especially important in week long stages) is removed. Thats why we have seen some pretty boring Arrate stages. This is basically a beefed up Nice-stage.
 
Jul 12, 2012
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Salvarani said:
Pricey_sky said:
Riders all over the road. Looked like Fuglsang and Yates were attacking.

Yeah, a bit chaotic at the moment on whats going on

Settled down a bit now, but the favourites group only has around 15 in it