74. Tour de Pologne (2.UWT), July 29 - August 4

[DFA123]

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Majka ??/

Sagan tried to take him with him and he didn't follow

Doesn't deserve to win...

Then Sagan should have waited and pulled at a pace that his team leader was comfortable following. By going off the front he proved to be of absolutely no assistance.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

Majka ??/

Sagan tried to take him with him and he didn't follow

Doesn't deserve to win...

And what happened to all the hype mongers on here who had Majka down to win everything

I havent seen hype for Majka in years

Seems like only yesterday to me ....remember when he was part of the top 5 wt Froome, Contador, Quintana and Nibali :surprised:

I dont remember that and that would have been years ago. On this forum we mainly bash Majka, we don't really like the guy, so I really got no clue about what you are talking about..

 

[Dr. Watson]

Sagan saying Majka told him to attack before the final climb...

 

[Gigs_98]

What a bunch of idiots, especially Majka. They had Teuns dropped and then stopped riding.

That's the problem with so many relevant GC contenders.

You don't want to ride for others.

Before the descent Majka was in a group in front of Teuns and had one teammate with him who just happens to be the best descender of the peloton. How he could think letting Teuns back was a good idea is beyond me.

 

[ihosama]

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Then Sagan should have waited and pulled at a pace that his team leader was comfortable following. By going off the front he proved to be of absolutely no assistance.

Sagan clearly was aware he could not last the last climb at a high pace. So he wanted to use his last energy to lauch Majka into a winning move. Likely a mis-communication and once he went there was no going back.

Majka did not have the legs, or decided to play it safe. Simple as that. In either way he got well-deserved 2nd. As it should be.

Edit: Majka telling him to attack makes even less sense - if he did not intend to follow him.

A dream stage for Bora can be Peter riding away on last stage with Majka in tow. Peter gets to do a show for fans and Majka goes on for a solo win in style.

A shame it was not to be. But close.
:twisted:

 

[DFA123]

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Then Sagan should have waited and pulled at a pace that his team leader was comfortable following. By going off the front he proved to be of absolutely no assistance.

Sagan clearly was aware he could not last the last climb at a high pace. So he wanted to use his last energy to lauch Majka into a winning move. Likely a mis-communication and once he went there was no going back.

Majka did not have the legs, or decided to play it safe. Simple as that. In either way he got well-deserved 2nd. As it should be.

Edit: Majka telling him to attack makes even less sense - if he did not intend to follow him.

Yeah, sounds like they just messed up a bit tactically; probably assumed Teuns would drop on the final climb anyway.

 

[d-s3]

Majka telling Sagan to attack... ha ha... I think we will never really understand Majkas tactics here

 

[ihosama]

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Majka telling Sagan to attack... ha ha... I think we will never really understand Majkas tactics here

Telling him and NOT following. If he went with him it could have been a memorable victory for Majka.

Or a memorable fail. But it would be an act worth of a champion regardless.

 

[Jagartrott]

Remarkable recovery by Teuns in the space of 10 km. Hunger flat?
He even seemed stronger than Majka when he attacked.

Oomen also very promising rider.

 

[Arked]

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Remarkable recovery by Teuns in the space of 10 km. Hunger flat?
He even seemed stronger than Majka when he attacked.

Oomen also very promising rider.

I don't think so. Hunger flat at such moment would end his chances. Teuns just paced himself better. I think that not going into red, when everyone else did, was crucial for his win. When everyone else were suffering after burned match he slowly came back with the help of Van Garderen.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Teuns won that race for two reasons: (1) Tejay. (2) his chief opponents stopping and looking at each other after they'd dropped him in BOTH of the last two stages.

The rest of them got what they deserved. They were stronger than the leader. They dropped the leader. They stopped riding and let the leader back. Then they did the same again the next day. Doing it the first time was bad enough but failing to learn and doing the same again the next day was just disgraceful stupidity.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Teuns won that race for two reasons: (1) Tejay. (2) his chief opponents stopping and looking at each other after they'd dropped him in BOTH of the last two stages.

The rest of them got what they deserved. They were stronger than the leader. They dropped the leader. They stopped riding and let the leader back. Then they did the same again the next day. Doing it the first time was bad enough but failing to learn and doing the same again the next day was just disgraceful stupidity.

Its too easy to armchair QB it. You could see they were on the limit when they got away and those situations are always hard in a race, its not as easy as you make it out to be.

 

[HelloDolly]

Re: Re:

Majka ??/

Sagan tried to take him with him and he didn't follow

Doesn't deserve to win...

And what happened to all the hype mongers on here who had Majka down to win everything

I havent seen hype for Majka in years

Seems like only yesterday to me ....remember when he was part of the top 5 wt Froome, Contador, Quintana and Nibali :surprised:

I dont remember that and that would have been years ago. On this forum we mainly bash Majka, we don't really like the guy, so I really got no clue about what you are talking about..

here is a sample...

2017

viewtopic.php?p=2131826#p2131826

2016

viewtopic.php?p=1981741#p1981741

viewtopic.php?p=1981774#p1981774

viewtopic.php?p=1926150#p1926150

2015

viewtopic.php?p=1548490#p1548490

viewtopic.php?p=1685533#p1685533

2014
viewtopic.php?p=1540629#p1540629


You might not hype Majka ...mostly keeping your hype for Spanish youngers but he was and is over hyped

 

[GuyIncognito]

Another race that hit my cycling pet peeve: Poels' sprint.

Race after race commentators keep disregarding Poels in sprints when clearly no GC contender is anywhere near as fast as him other than Valverde. He's proven that again and again and again and again over the years.

Still, never heard a single one mention Poels as a contender in these finishes. It's baffling.

I know I'm getting annoying by saying it so often, but you'd think they'd learn eventually.

 

[Arked]

Teuns won that race for two reasons: (1) Tejay. (2) his chief opponents stopping and looking at each other after they'd dropped him in BOTH of the last two stages.

The rest of them got what they deserved. They were stronger than the leader. They dropped the leader. They stopped riding and let the leader back. Then they did the same again the next day. Doing it the first time was bad enough but failing to learn and doing the same again the next day was just disgraceful stupidity.

Its too easy to armchair QB it. You could see they were on the limit when they got away and those situations are always hard in a race, its not as easy as you make it out to be.

Exactly. It was more lack of (physical) ability than stupidity.

 

[tobydawq]

Despite of Teuns and Majka having placed themselves horrendously in the flat stages, only two places separated them today (in Majka's favour), so if Majka had managed to pass Yates and get the two bonus seconds he would have one the race 206-211 (sum of stage placings). Even with a 103rd place on the first stage. It just shows that it is pretty important to be focused in the finishes in a race with no time trial.

He would also have won the race if Sagan hadn't gotten second on the third stage (unless that would have meant that Teuns would have got a second on him). Too bad.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Remarkable recovery by Teuns in the space of 10 km. Hunger flat?
He even seemed stronger than Majka when he attacked.

Oomen also very promising rider.

Oomen by far the youngest rider in the top 10. From 1995. Haig is from 1993, Teuns from 1992. Rest (way) older

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Remarkable recovery by Teuns in the space of 10 km. Hunger flat?
He even seemed stronger than Majka when he attacked.

Oomen also very promising rider.

Oomen by far the youngest rider in the top 10. From 1995. Haig is from 1993, Teuns from 1992. Rest (way) older

Seems surprising as he's been around for a while now, but Yates was born in 92 too.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Ok Dolly, thank for the dig ups, but some people on this forum also worship Simon Gerrans altho the general consensus on the CN boards is he is the kind of rider that sucks the fun out of cycling.

 

[Tank Engine]

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Another race that hit my cycling pet peeve: Poels' sprint.

Race after race commentators keep disregarding Poels in sprints when clearly no GC contender is anywhere near as fast as him other than Valverde. He's proven that again and again and again and again over the years.

Still, never heard a single one mention Poels as a contender in these finishes. It's baffling.

I know I'm getting annoying by saying it so often, but you'd think they'd learn eventually.

Yesterday, the commentator said that Poels and Jungels were the guys to look out for the sprint. But I was watching Polish TV

I didn't understand Sagan's attack at all when Teuns was off the back, he should have just drilled it to the bottom of the final climb, since Majka was in pole position (sorry ). Maybe Majka thought that he'd win on the final climb again. But it's not half as selective as the Bukowina Wall.

Anyway, congratulations to Teuns and a special mention to TJ.

 

[MightyWheelSucker]

Re: Re:

Majka ??/

Sagan tried to take him with him and he didn't follow

Doesn't deserve to win...

And what happened to all the hype mongers on here who had Majka down to win everything

I havent seen hype for Majka in years

Seems like only yesterday to me ....remember when he was part of the top 5 wt Froome, Contador, Quintana and Nibali :surprised:

I dont remember that and that would have been years ago. On this forum we mainly bash Majka, we don't really like the guy, so I really got no clue about what you are talking about..

here is a sample...

2017

viewtopic.php?p=2131826#p2131826

2016

viewtopic.php?p=1981741#p1981741

viewtopic.php?p=1981774#p1981774

viewtopic.php?p=1926150#p1926150

2015

viewtopic.php?p=1548490#p1548490

viewtopic.php?p=1685533#p1685533

2014
viewtopic.php?p=1540629#p1540629


You might not hype Majka ...mostly keeping your hype for Spanish youngers but he was and is over hyped

Yeah. Good post. I also do not understand why anybody is mentioning Majka in his own thread. On such occassions like being 3rd in Rio after dramatic finish, or discussing his statistcal chances in Tour. Instead, they should discuss there some more valuable riders like Thomas, etc whoever is worth discussing.

 

[Forever The Best]

Agree with ZL. They shouldn't have let Teuns get back on when he was dropped. Congrats to Teuns. Also Haig was aggressive in this race, attacking, taking chances and got rewarded with a great win yesterday.

 

[qwerty16]

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Another race that hit my cycling pet peeve: Poels' sprint.

Race after race commentators keep disregarding Poels in sprints when clearly no GC contender is anywhere near as fast as him other than Valverde. He's proven that again and again and again and again over the years.

Still, never heard a single one mention Poels as a contender in these finishes. It's baffling.

I know I'm getting annoying by saying it so often, but you'd think they'd learn eventually.

Dan Martin might disagree with that.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Re: Re:

Another race that hit my cycling pet peeve: Poels' sprint.

Race after race commentators keep disregarding Poels in sprints when clearly no GC contender is anywhere near as fast as him other than Valverde. He's proven that again and again and again and again over the years.

Still, never heard a single one mention Poels as a contender in these finishes. It's baffling.

I know I'm getting annoying by saying it so often, but you'd think they'd learn eventually.

Dan Martin might disagree with that.

So does Uran

 

[deValtos]

It's Wout's sprinting style probably. Everytime they do a heli shot of him attacking it looks like he's trying to remove a twig from his front wheel.