75ª Volta a Portugal 7-18 August 2013 (2.1)

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Superb from Edgar Pinto, who has been really impressive this week. Sadly I think he will lose his points jersey to Manuel Cardoso tomorrow.

Looks like Marque's got the time he needs now. He'll win the stage even if César holds him off for the Volta. Wow, 2 minutes inside the leading time. César looking laboured on the uphill though.
 
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A thing we now know for sure is that Rui Sousa is never gonna to win the Volta a Portugal

Are the time measures at the finish in correspondence with the real times? Could be quite important today
 
Alejandro Marque wins the Volta a Portugal... by one of the narrowest margins in history! 4 seconds in it! Wow.

Now they interview Rui Sousa, in the camisola amarela, having just lost the Volta. Glad to see that. I really, really didn't want him to win. Efapel screwed up from the start by making him the sole leader. I said it was a losing strategy, and I stand by that. It's surprising he's as close as he is (and it's not a nice surprise), true, but they had stronger climbers working in his service. Should have had him be the rabbit to chase and make people work, like he was a few years ago with Barbot when David Bernabéu was able to profit from people chasing Rui (and Rui was able to profit when they didn't always want to chase him too).
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Alejandro Marque wins the Volta a Portugal... by one of the narrowest margins in history! 4 seconds in it! Wow.

Now they interview Rui Sousa, in the camisola amarela, having just lost the Volta. Glad to see that. I really, really didn't want him to win. Efapel screwed up from the start by making him the sole leader. I said it was a losing strategy, and I stand by that. It's surprising he's as close as he is (and it's not a nice surprise), true, but they had stronger climbers working in his service. Should have had him be the rabbit to chase and make people work, like he was a few years ago with Barbot when David Bernabéu was able to profit from people chasing Rui (and Rui was able to profit when they didn't always want to chase him too).

Who in the Efapel-Glassdrive team is at the moment better than Rui Sousa?
 
Arredondo said:
Who in the Efapel-Glassdrive team is at the moment better than Rui Sousa?

Over 9 days, Hernâni Brôco easily. If they'd worked for him maybe his bad day in the TT wouldn't be so costly. It certainly wouldn't have been MORE costly than Rui's pretty decent TT today was. Backing Brôco fully may not have been a winning strategy, and it may not have yielded a better result than the backing Sousa was, but it would have had more chance of succeeding as Brôco can gain more time in the climbs when he isn't being asked to waste energy domestiquing for an aging doper.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Over 9 days, Hernâni Brôco easily. If they'd worked for him maybe his bad day in the TT wouldn't be so costly. It certainly wouldn't have been MORE costly than Rui's pretty decent TT today was.

I'm agree with you that Efapel, with such a strong a dominant team (at certain moment they were with six up the road), doesn't maximize their potential at all. They even made a couple of big mistakes during the race, like chasing behind Nuno Ribeiro in the stage won by Alarcon. Why you would do that?
 
Clasificação da Etapa:

1 Alejandro Marque (OFM-Quinta da Lixa) ESP 49'06
2 Gustavo César Veloso (OFM-Quinta da Lixa) ESP +36
3 Rui Sousa (Efapel-Glassdrive) POR +1'28
4 Marcel Wyss (IAM Pro Cycling) SUI +1'50
5 Délio Fernández (OFM-Quinta da Lixa) ESP +2'03
6 Eduardo Sepulveda (Brétagne-Séché Environment) ARG +2'11
7 Dion Beukenboom (De Rijke-Shanks) NED +2'28
8 Vegard Ståke Længen (Brétagne-Séché Environment) NOR +2'29
9 Edgar Pinto (LA-Antarte) POR +2'30
10 Reto Hollenstein (IAM Pro Cycling) SUI +2'37

Clasificação Geral:
1 Alejandro Marque (OFM-Quinta da Lixa) ESP 40'01.42
2 Gustavo César Veloso (OFM-Quinta da Lixa) ESP +0'04
3 Rui Sousa (Efapel-Glassdrive) POR 0'50
4 Edgar Pinto (LA-Antarte) POR +2'44
5 Hernâni Brôco (Efapel-Glassdrive) POR +2'57
6 Daniel Silva (Radio Popular-Onda) POR +2'59
7 Marcel Wyss (IAM Pro Cycling) SUI +3'14
8 Virgilio Santos (Radio Popular-Onda) POR +5'23
9 Nuno Ribeiro (Efapel-Glassdrive) POR +6'49
10 Célio Sousa (Radio Popular-Onda) POR +7'49

Although we might have expected it from the weak Banco BIC-Carmim team (expect them to get much stronger in the offseason since the cash injection from Banco BIC was probably too late to save this season), Louletano will be very frustrated that they couldn't put anybody in the top 10 after Ribeiro's suspension.
 
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Only one rider from a non-portuguese team in the Top-10. Says everything about how much importance this race has lost in the last few years.
 
jonas3344 said:
Only one rider from a non-portuguese team in the Top-10. Says everything about how much importance this race has lost in the last few years.

yeah but isn't that normal in most cycling races? Look how much dutch/belgian guys are uin the top 20 of the eneco tour, or the poles in tour of poland... The italians in the giro, they always ride stronger in their own country.

It's a strange thing, home advantage, even in cycling
 
But it's always been mostly about the Portuguese teams? Take some strong lineups from a few years ago. In 2008 the only riders outside Portuguese teams in the top 10 were Cobo (4th, Scott-American Beef) and Dan Martin (10th, Garmin-Chipotle). In 2007 there were 3 - Jiménez (4th, Karpin-Galicia), Bernabéu (7th, Fuerteventura-Canarias) and Sevilla (9th, Relax-GAM) but then, that was in the era of strong Spanish ProContinental teams, which padded out the entry list at the Volta on top of the higher number of native squads, so that's more an issue with Spanish cycling than Portuguese. 2006 only had two, although one won it - Blanco (1st, Comunidad Valenciana) and Gomis (5th, Comunidad Valenciana) - although their team had been barred from the Vuelta in the wake of Puerto, which probably strengthened the lineup they sent to Portugal. Heck, 2003, which was quite an otherwise strong edition of the Volta, with Torre from two different sides in two different stages (one a MTF, one partway through a stage finishing on the smaller cobbled climb of Gouveia), and the very last stage with a 2nd category finish in Favaios, saw absolutely zero riders from outside Portuguese teams in the top 10.

I think the problem is more that there are fewer Portuguese teams than there were a few years ago, and much of the strongest talent is concentrated into a couple of these, which increases the provincial feel when those strong Spanish squads of years gone by are no longer turning up to the race because they are all disbanding or going amateur. Also, drugs scandals have actually helped the Volta in one respect - Saunier Duval and Comunidad Valenciana being barred from the Vuelta has meant them sending strong teams to the Volta in the past. Another problem is the UCI's points system; the race had to go 2.1 to get a full roster together mainly because the number of Portuguese teams dwindled massively from 2008-2009 with Benfica disbanding, LA-MSS being caught in controversy in 2008 and Liberty Seguros similarly a year later, and persuading teams like Landbouwkrediet or PSK Whirlpool, who the race clearly does not suit, to turn up just to suffer in the sun while the Portuguese teams grind them to dust, grows ever harder, whereas Continental teams can use it as a development race to test young riders' recovery skills, and as a result we've seen Itera-Katyusha, Chipotle-Slipstream, Rabobank Continental, Orbea, Ceramica Flaminia and Astana Continental at the race in the last few years. However, for many stronger Continental and Pro-Continental teams who already know their riders' recovery, are not working as feeder teams for World Tour squads developing riders, and/or are not focused on developing GC riders, the question then has to come up, with the UCI's points system, why would you do the Volta? As a 2.1 race it offers as many points for the GC as a race like Paris-Corrèze or the Tour des Fjords, and you could feasibly do two or even three other, shorter 2.1 races in the time taken to do the Volta, for less suffering and more chance of success.

We should note, and it is a key note, that the 2013 Volta a Portugal was a big step forward for the race. The start list was as big as last year's even despite clashing with the Vuelta a Burgos again (last year Orbea and Burgos BH rode, who normally can't due to Burgos), with more star power. 7 ProContinental teams as opposed to 5 last year, and two extra national teams so no need to pad the numbers out with a cannon fodder team of young national riders who typically contributed by getting in an occasional break and just seeing how much they could survive. There were no absolute cannon fodder teams like the underprepared Funvic-Pindamonhangaba team last year or the awful Törku Seker Spor lineup in 2011 where Danail Petrov was the only rider left after 5 days, with Banco BIC being the weakest team and even the least likely invites such as De Rijke contributing well (victory in the TTT of course). The route was a huge, huge improvement, with a new puncheur finish (Santa Luzia), the best designed Mondim de Basto stage since 2009, one of the best designed Torre stages ever, which is hopefully a precursor to one day including the climb from Vide as the final MTF, and the excellently designed stage into Gouveia that Raúl Alarcón won and saw attacking riding from 50km out.

The Volta may not be reaching its former glories, but this was a very good first step at redemption. And if the Portuguese péloton can continue to improve - and I have some hope that it can, as obviously Louletano have some money left from Sérgio Ribeiro's salary and Banco BIC will look to improve their standing for next season, while some of the riders at Efapel and OFM will surely want a chance to lead themselves at some point, plus of course with a few more teams and some cash injections we could see some former WT riders going there, especially bearing in mind how cash-strapped the Spanish scene is right now (although another Spanish invasion, even if driven by the bottom line rather than bans, is not what the race needs right now).
 
I am afraid we will see another Spanish invasion instead of investment on young Portuguese riders.

Particularly after a Portuguese team getting a 1-2 on the volta using that method, which is a shame as that will never improve Portuguese cycling.
 
I'd rather a Spanish invasion of established guys like Gustavo César and riders who are still relatively young if no longer WT material like Arkaitz Durán than another invasion of 30+ post-scandal blacklist guys though. I don't really count Alejandro Marque as a Spanish invasion kind of guy at OFM though, he's a Galician who went over to Portugal to ride a decade ago just like many other Galicians who, before Karpin, did not have a 'local' team to go to, and so the Portuguese teams were more local to them than the Spanish teams of the time (turned pro in 2004, when Euskaltel and Cafés Baqué were Basque, Banesto Nafarroan, Liberty from Madrid, Relax from Aragón, Kelme from Valencia, Saunier Duval from Cantabria and Costa de Almeria from Andalucía); he's been in Portugal ever since, whereas César has spent the last 9 years on Spanish teams and Délio Fernández has been in Portugal for 3 years after 3 years with Xacobeo.

I do fear if Euskaltel goes under however, that unless there is a new Spanish Conti or ProConti team (I hope a couple of the bigger Spanish amateur teams like Supermercados Froiz, Valencia Terra i Mar or Azysa-Telcom can go to the Continental level, though I doubt it'll happen) then there will be a number of capable Spanish pros without a team (either as the Euskaltel leftovers, or as the riders from other teams who were jettisoned to make room for Euskaltel leftovers) and I anticipate a number of the ones willing to continue their careers being therefore available to ride on the cheap. The biggest alarm is that two of the biggest offenders in terms of importing their talents (mostly from Spain) are the two "new" teams, OFM and Louletano (although neither are truly 'new' teams per se), whereas long-standing teams like Efapel and LA, who've been around for years, are almost entirely Portuguese - between the two teams, the only non-native is Durán. Carmim were all Portuguese bar one (Tomas Metcalfe, who's raced for them his whole career) before the two Angolans joined the squad when Banco BIC came on board. Onda have three Spaniards, but the core of the team is Portuguese, and the most high profile of those Spaniards, Javier Ramírez, was only signed mid-season.

There might just be another scramble of signings in July ahead of the Volta again of course, to avoid paying for long term contracts...
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
I'd rather a Spanish invasion of established guys like Gustavo César and riders who are still relatively young if no longer WT material like Arkaitz Durán than another invasion of 30+ post-scandal blacklist guys though. I don't really count Alejandro Marque as a Spanish invasion kind of guy at OFM though, he's a Galician who went over to Portugal to ride a decade ago just like many other Galicians who, before Karpin, did not have a 'local' team to go to, and so the Portuguese teams were more local to them than the Spanish teams of the time (turned pro in 2004, when Euskaltel and Cafés Baqué were Basque, Banesto Nafarroan, Liberty from Madrid, Relax from Aragón, Kelme from Valencia, Saunier Duval from Cantabria and Costa de Almeria from Andalucía); he's been in Portugal ever since, whereas César has spent the last 9 years on Spanish teams and Délio Fernández has been in Portugal for 3 years after 3 years with Xacobeo.

I do fear if Euskaltel goes under however, that unless there is a new Spanish Conti or ProConti team (I hope a couple of the bigger Spanish amateur teams like Supermercados Froiz, Valencia Terra i Mar or Azysa-Telcom can go to the Continental level, though I doubt it'll happen) then there will be a number of capable Spanish pros without a team (either as the Euskaltel leftovers, or as the riders from other teams who were jettisoned to make room for Euskaltel leftovers) and I anticipate a number of the ones willing to continue their careers being therefore available to ride on the cheap. The biggest alarm is that two of the biggest offenders in terms of importing their talents (mostly from Spain) are the two "new" teams, OFM and Louletano (although neither are truly 'new' teams per se), whereas long-standing teams like Efapel and LA, who've been around for years, are almost entirely Portuguese - between the two teams, the only non-native is Durán. Carmim were all Portuguese bar one (Tomas Metcalfe, who's raced for them his whole career) before the two Angolans joined the squad when Banco BIC came on board.

There might just be another scramble of signings in July ahead of the Volta again of course, to avoid paying for long term contracts...

A couple of years ago you had guys like Santi Perez and David Bernabeu in Portugal i remember? David Blanco won 5 times, isn't that a little bit a Spanish invasion?
 
Arredondo said:
A couple of years ago you had guys like Santi Perez and Hector Guerra in Portugal i remember?

Yes, post-Puerto many blacklisted guys could be found in Portugal (Santi Pérez wasn't Puerto but was still blacklisted of course). Most are now gone, either to retirement or suspension. Bernabéu, Blanco, Zaballa, Eladio Jiménez, Nozal, Koldo Gil, Plaza, Mancebo, Vicioso, Garrido, Santi Pérez and Gomis are names that come to mind from the 2007-8 era. That was the "last" Spanish invasion.

That Spanish invasion hurt Portuguese cycling in that several of these riders were strong enough to lead the teams as they probably ought not to have been on Continental teams if they hadn't been blacklisted. As a result, almost all the Portuguese teams were led by one or two of these guys and the native riders were domestiquing for them (with Cândido Barbosa the obvious home interest). Portuguese riders are starting to come back to the fore in their home race over the last two or three years, however we are now considering the possibility of a new wave of Spanish imports, with the number of Spanish teams having been forced to the wall recently, and though they aren't necessarily going to all be of the level to become team leaders like the likes of Blanco, Bernabéu and Pérez were, there is still fresh in the memory the turmoil that Portuguese cycling faced during a period where their best riders were domestiquing for known dopers, but because the scene was notorious for harbouring dopers the riders weren't often able to get chances to escape the scene either as the Portuguese teams weren't trusted by talent scouts.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Yes, post-Puerto many blacklisted guys could be found in Portugal (Santi Pérez wasn't Puerto but was still blacklisted of course). Most are now gone, either to retirement or suspension. Bernabéu, Blanco, Zaballa, Eladio Jiménez, Nozal, Koldo Gil, Plaza, Mancebo, Vicioso, Garrido, Santi Pérez and Gomis are names that come to mind from the 2007-8 era.

Yeah, some old memories coming back with that kind of names. Mancebo is still a true hero in the US luckily. Blanco suddently retired last year, even when he rode still fast and good. Some are on top lever again however (Vicioso, Plaza, if you mean Ruben of course, and not David)
 
David had retired by then, I meant Rubinho. He was always at a decent level, and only went to Portugal in 2008 after he didn't get many starts with Caisse d'Epargne in 2007. When he went back to Abarcá in 2010 he kind of picked up where he left off, being 11th in the Tour that year.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
David had retired by then, I meant Rubinho. He was always at a decent level, and only went to Portugal in 2008 after he didn't get many starts with Caisse d'Epargne in 2007. When he went back to Abarcá in 2010 he kind of picked up where he left off, being 11th in the Tour that year.

Yeah Rubinho, i forgot about him. Ruben indeed only did one year in Portugal, and i'm glad for him that he won Castilla y Leon this season after a lot of bad luck
 
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Arredondo said:
Yeah Rubinho, i forgot about him. Ruben indeed only did one year in Portugal, and i'm glad for him that he won Castilla y Leon this season after a lot of bad luck
Ruben Plaza did two years in Portugal. 2008 with Benfica and 2009 Liberty Seguros ;)
 
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Back then, however, we had enough teams to accommodate an invasion, even if at the expense of local leadership. However, even with the new teams this year the local Conti peloton remains smaller than it was and not ripe for such an invasion. So that's quite a pickle. I see three scenarios here: the invasion not happening at all; the worst case scenario which would be a 07-08 repeat; or, what I see as most likely, new teams forming in the wake of Louletano to harness the new available potential.

So long as that doesn't bring about the overshadowing of national riders, it's needless to say it would be very positive. I'd likely cause an expansion of the national calendar, and from there, who knows?
 
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Steyn78 said:
Gustavo Cesar Veloso is a pretty good rider, he won la Vuelta a Catalunya few years ago.
He's a good glimber and he can TT well.
Marque is the favourite, but Veloso and Broco are good bets too.

he won that because he was in a break. otherwise uran would've won it. eh was far from the best rider there and the course that year sucked too. his climbing here all of a sudden surprises me, same with edgar pinto btw.
 
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Parrulo said:
I am afraid we will see another Spanish invasion instead of investment on young Portuguese riders.

Particularly after a Portuguese team getting a 1-2 on the volta using that method, which is a shame as that will never improve Portuguese cycling.

there are no portugese riders that can win the volta. like it or not. maybe mestre can next year if he gets back to portugese team again. marque winning is perfectly fine. his rise has never been suspicious or anything like that