86th Tour de Suisse (2.UWT) // June 11th - 18th 2023

[DNP-Old]

Only took them about 2/3s of his time trial to realise that bringing Wout in shot with an actual motocamera would be handy.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Fisher-Black lost quite a bit on the descent, still an encouraging result for him though.

 

[RedheadDane]

Van Aert just about beaten at the 2nd intermediate.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Those new UCI rules regarding following cars being 25m behind, they were just for *** and giggles i assume.

 

[DNP-Old]

Cattaneo is coming fast.

 

[Salvarani]

Don't remember that finish, and can't be bothered to to search for a video.

Either way a single anecdote doesn't really prove anything, as there are so many possible variables.

As said, the future will prove me right, and in the meantime I fully respect that you disagree.

I wasnt disagreeing.

 

[Salvarani]

Cattaneo is coming fast.

Will he finish?

 

[Boehmand]

That single anecdote didn't seem to disagree with you though

I agree it didn't disagree with me.

 

[Red Rick]

Jumbo needs to go to the wind tunnel this winter

 

[Boehmand]

Fingers crossed Bissegger takes the win today, there is no doubt it means a lot to him.

 

[RedheadDane]

Van Aert not slow as hell, but not super fast either.

 

[DNP-Old]

Wout slow as hell again.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Cattaneo bumping Sobrero to 5th at the finish.

 

[Red Rick]

Gaps are quite small overall so far

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Cattaneo's average of 121 kmh is nowhere near as good as Zukowski on stage 1, but impressive anyway.

PCS corrected it fairly quickly this time,unlike last weekend.

 

[Salvarani]

Gaps are quite small overall so far

Fast course, relatively fresh riders.

 

[DNP-Old]

Not a godawful time for Cian.

 

[RedheadDane]

Cattaneo's average of 121 kmh is nowhere near as good as Zukowski on stage 1, but impressive anyway.

Can you post a screen shot?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Gall looks so slow out the gate, i think after 500 meters he'll be overtaken by 2 guys in the GC.

 

[DNP-Old]

Remco #1.

 

[Aimar16]

Fatigue is an integral part of cycling though, i.e. unlike your analogy with road accidents caused by alcohol, in pro cycling the ability to descend fast & cleanly when tired is absolutely part of the required skillset of a pro biker rider.

Honestly what happened on Thursday is IMO the cycling equivalent of Anthoine Hubert's crash in Formula 2 at Spa Francorchamps a few years ago, where even the Halo device around the cockpit didn't save him. Sh*t happens.

I get that people feel the need to fix something like that so it never happens again but from what we can gather so far it's just really bad luck & could happen to any rider at any time no matter where they are in a stage.

I don't know what Halo has to do with it. Halo is protecting the driver's head, as it saved Grosjean's life. Paradoxically the reason why it was introduced after Bianchi's death, Halo wouldn't have saved his life, but with other rule changes that tractors can only enter the track after a red flag, they have reduced the possibility of a crash like this.

Hubert was killed when another car hit him from the side at high speed and he suffered an 82G collision, a crash of such force that neither the car nor the driver could have survived. After his death, the FIA made several safety changes to the F2 cars. These changes would not have directly saved his life, as the fatal crash was the result of an unfortunate chain of events, and these changes were made to minimise the possibility of a similar chain events.

So it's not '*** happens', safety can always be improved. It would be silly to ban the descent, but Mader's death could easily have been avoided with better safety features.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Remember when Schachmann was good at this kind of TT?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Not a big lead, but he did follow Asgreen's pace.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Evenepoel not bad, but not flying.

 

[Salvarani]

Half a second.