86th Tour de Suisse (2.UWT) // June 11th - 18th 2023

[Extinction]

I always thought that Ullrich's were more dense than huge, but I don't really have a clue

Tyler Hamilton wrote that everybody was impressed with Ullrich's legs, like those of a Greek god.

 

[JosefK]

I worry about the term "resuscitated" in the report. Could mean was temporarily unconscious (concussion). Might suggest cardiac arrest. Hope not.

 

[RedheadDane]

I worry about the term "resuscitated" in the report. Could mean was temporarily unconscious (concussion). Might suggest cardiac arrest. Hope not.

If he lost consciousness, and fell into water... that would be bad.

 

[titan31]

If he lost consciousness, and fell into water... that would be bad.

Yup, and 2 minutes for the doctor to arrive (I'm taking that as to Sheffield who should have crashed earlier than Mader)

 

[BR2]

I worry about the term "resuscitated" in the report. Could mean was temporarily unconscious (concussion). Might suggest cardiac arrest. Hope not.

He was unconscious and motionless, lying in the water. It took a long time until he was transported to the hospital. Some people might not realize what that means, but everyone who does and still talks about some legs and shoulders in this thread now: please, what is wrong with you?

 

[Devil's Elbow]

It is entirely possible that Sheffield having crashed minutes prior ends up being the difference between life or death for Mäder, that’s crazy to think about.

Mäder having been found unconscious in the water suggests his fall may have ended by coming down the walled structure in the streambed, that was a two- or three-metre vertical drop onto rocks (the water was really shallow, perhaps even impossible to drown in) having already fallen that entire distance (picking up more and more speed) from the road. If so, it’s a miracle he’s so much as been transported to the hospital alive. Horrifying.

 

[RedheadDane]

He was unconscious and motionless, lying in the water. It took a long time until he was transported to the hospital. Some people might not realize what that means, but everyone who does and still talks about some legs and shoulders in this thread now: please, what is wrong with you?

The most recent update is that he's stable. And stable is good. Right...?

It is entirely possible that Sheffield having crashed minutes prior ends up being the difference between life or death for Mäder, that’s crazy to think about.

You mean in a positive sense, right? They - hopefully - found him in time, because someone was already there?

 

[Samamba]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669401456267411466

View: https://twitter.com/BHRVictorious/status/1669401456267411466?t=1KfRi9zhHtQ4iktgI43tqA&s=19


Nothing new info here but it's official source

So indeed basically no news apart from him being alive right now I guess?

 

[Samamba]

The most recent update is that he's stable. And stable is good. Right...?

Hmm not always. Someone can be in a stable condition, but still critical.

There's people who get shot multiple times and their condition could still be "stabel" at the moment.

 

[RedheadDane]

Hmm not always. Someone can be in a stable condition, but still critical.

There's people who get shot multiple times and their condition could still be "stabel" at the moment.

C'mon... I'm desperately trying to stay positive here...

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

This is horrible. My mother-in-law was one of Gino’s teachers back in the days when he was in school. Kind of make me feel like it’s a guy I know personally.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

The most recent update is that he's stable. And stable is good. Right...?



You mean in a positive sense, right? They - hopefully - found him in time, because someone was already there?

Yes, in a positive sense. The time between the respective crashes would also be the additional time it would have taken for Mäder to be resuscitated had Sheffield not also crashed, and from what we know that time was minutes, not seconds. That can have made all the difference in the world - even if he would have survived regardless, those minutes might have meant everything in terms of oxygen shortage-induced brain damage.

The thing that concerns me the most is that he has been taken to Chur hospital, and not to the closer Samedan hospital like Sheffield (I checked, that one has a helipad too). Suggests the acute treatment required is beyond the scope of what a smaller, more local hospital can offer, which cannot be good news.

 

[search]

The most recent update is that he's stable. And stable is good. Right...?

that article on RSI was released much earlier than the statement from Tour de Suisse, so it's not the most recent one - and not naming a source. If he was in stable conditions, I'd think the official source would have mentioned that, I'm afraid.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I understand the leg part but why point to his head? Usually that means you're referring to using your head and racing smart. I just thought it was funny to hear him talk about guys possibly racing for bonus seconds tomorrow when he just threw away several by not racing to the line.

Wasn't that Paolini's celebration when he won that legendary edition of G-W?

 

[Lequack]

Official statement from Bahrain team:

Gino Mäder crashes out from Tour de Suisse - Team Bahrain

Bahrain Victorious Swiss rider Gino Mäder was involved in a crash on the descent towards La Punt, finish line of stage 5 at Tour de Suisse.The rider went off the road and fell into a ravine, where he was promptly assisted by the race doctor. Mäder was found unresponsive, resuscitated at the...

bahraincyclingteam.com

"Bahrain Victorious Swiss rider Gino Mäder was involved in a crash on the descent towards La Punt, finish line of stage 5 at Tour de Suisse.
The rider went off the road and fell into a ravine, where he was promptly assisted by the race doctor. Mäder was found unresponsive, resuscitated at the scene and then transported by helicopter to Chur Hospital.
More news about the consequences of the accident will follow after Mäder undergo further examinations.
Our thoughts and prayers are with Gino."

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Wasn't that Paolini's celebration when he won that legendary edition of G-W?

I don‘t think Ayuso was inspired by Luca Paolini in GW.

 

[Elos Anjos]

At this point it's crazy to think that Gino is in danger because he might have drowned in a mountain.

Let's all pray and hope for his life.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Nah Roglic is a bit wide but not that stocky, if you look at him from the side he's pretty narrow I think. I just think his deeper upper body position makes and the black bibs make him look bigger than he is.

The guys calves are really wide and thick if you see him in person.

 

[kingjr]

He was unconscious and motionless, lying in the water. It took a long time until he was transported to the hospital. Some people might not realize what that means, but everyone who does and still talks about some legs and shoulders in this thread now: please, what is wrong with you?

People have different ways of dealing with things they have zero influence over. You are not the benchmark for right and wrong here.

 

[Rackham]

I always wait for official word from the hospital itself before believing anything we read or hear (this relates to stuff I'm seeing on Twitter in particular where people act like the "he's stable" article is good news).

I'm not very good at gauging what's right or wrong to post in these sorts of circumstances (i.e. what's appropriate) but there was a really unfortunate 'precedent' which sticks in my mind from nearly 30 years ago after Aryton Senna's Imola accident when during the race, TF1 (French TV) reported that he was conscious & stable (along with sighs of relief from the commentators).

I was just a kid back then but it was such a huge mistake, it's sort of a cautionary tale regarding people who try to get info out too quickly.

 

[RedheadDane]

Official statement from Bahrain team:

Gino Mäder crashes out from Tour de Suisse - Team Bahrain

Bahrain Victorious Swiss rider Gino Mäder was involved in a crash on the descent towards La Punt, finish line of stage 5 at Tour de Suisse.The rider went off the road and fell into a ravine, where he was promptly assisted by the race doctor. Mäder was found unresponsive, resuscitated at the...

bahraincyclingteam.com

"Bahrain Victorious Swiss rider Gino Mäder was involved in a crash on the descent towards La Punt, finish line of stage 5 at Tour de Suisse.
The rider went off the road and fell into a ravine, where he was promptly assisted by the race doctor. Mäder was found unresponsive, resuscitated at the scene and then transported by helicopter to Chur Hospital.
More news about the consequences of the accident will follow after Mäder undergo further examinations.
Our thoughts and prayers are with Gino."

I really hope that the fact that they're specifying that he needs to undergo further examinations is a - even if minutely - positive sign. Rather than just some vague stuff about "News will follow", and the reason they're not telling the public, is because they need to tell the family first...

 

[jaylew]

Lemond, Indurain and Ullrich had "huge thighs".

Agreed. I certainly remember Ullrich's thighs, that why I said "as common"

 

[jmdirt]

Evenepoel now claiming this descent was too dangerous to race. Which is absolutely stupid, because a) this descent finish has been used repeatedly in the past, and b) if this descent was too narrow, sinuous, steep or in any other way technical then we can't have descents anywhere because this road was wider and in better shape than your average HC climb. Yes, I understand emotions are high after what appears to have happened to Mäder, but simply not doing descent finishes is not the solution.

PLUS, the racers determine the speed of the descent.

That does not change my concern for injured riders though.

 

[Jagartrott]

Horrible news. Come on Gino, hang in there man.

 

[Scarponi]

totally fair.

no idea how he will eventually do against vingo and pog.

but judging him on today as if it is final potential is simply ridiculous. how was pog at san sebastian last year? should we judge him on that? should we judge Vingo only on Paris-Nice this year?

Remco is the only one who is judged on every single performance, no matter whether he had Covid, hasn't been to altitude recently, had ten days off the bike.

and people wonder why he doesn't want to go to the TDF in ill-prepared...

You can’t take the blame off yourselves, you’ve done this because of your insane hype that borders on a weird obsession. Wish he could develop without the insanity around it