98th Tour de France presentation

[auscyclefan94]

You mean "nice if they gave people that can't climb with the best, enough ITT kilometers to compensate".

Not exactly, Evans and menchov can climb but are not pure climbers. Just like Andy Schleck is not a great time trialler.

 

[Aguirre]

it's complete a weak parcours, it lacks of imagination, only a 40TT with two hills

I see a lot of let's do the Tour for Andy, also Purito might be good in this Tour.

I think is the worst parcours I can remember,

 

[Moondance]

The MTF is the "easier" (longer but not as steep), the next day it's up the steep side.

Tourmalet -> Luz Ardiden is the Queen stage if you ask me.

You'll be fighting against the media who love a good Alpe d'Huez, and also the narrative can't be that the first MTF is the Queen Stage. They'll obviously want the final mountain stage to be the 'Queen.'

 

[jens_attacks]

lol just 41 km of ITT?no ITT before the pyrenees?ten stages for cavendish?again,ASO failed.

 

[auscyclefan94]

it's complete a weak parcours, it lacks of imagination, only a 40TT with two hills

I see a lot of let's do the Tour for Andy, also Purito might be good in this Tour.

I think is the worst parcours I can remember,

I agree. It is a joke!

 

[therealtimshady]

Nice if they gave guys who could tt and climb a chance like Menchov and Evans a chance. presentation starting!

i fear evans may already be about 3 mins down by the time the mountains appear due to the team time trial

 

[roundabout]

Yes the stage to Galbier isn't as steep, but still climbing 1300 meters over 30km's isn't what I would call a breeze. *shrugs* edit: I mean they do climb almost 5000 height meters in that stage alone, but it's the day before alp'd'huez so yeah nothing will happen, you're right. I am sorry

And the action thing is hardly a fault of the organisers is it? I mean it is the riders that decide to go all brokeback mountain

It's the easiest side of the Galibier, but there's Agnello and Izoard before.

 

[Moondance]

With the exception of the excessive amount of sprinting staes I think its pretty good. Climbing will end up deciding this Tour, like it should, and I support that.

 

[jens_attacks]

they never learn.now that ***** prudhomme just talks about doping.yes,that's all we care about.how good are you hunting rider.now gtfo and find a true route for 2012 tour.

 

[stefrees]

they never learn.now that ***** prudhomme just talks about doping.yes,that's all we care about.how good are you hunting rider.now gtfo and find a true route for 2012 tour.

Eh?

For what it's worth I'm looking forward to a trip to the alps

 

[auscyclefan94]

I am fuming!!!!!!

23km ttt won't put cadel 3 minutes behind but the route is a shocker.

1. More tt km's will 9 times out of 10 produce a closer race. Fact
2. TTT's close races up. FACT
3. I don't understand having an MTF at Luz Ardiden and plateu de beille. The pyrenees which is the 1st MTN region should not have 2 MTF's.

EPIC FAIL again ASO! Well done!

 

[issoisso]

The obsession with climbing routes continues.

I don't get it. I really don't get why it should come down to one-dimensional riders who can climb and nothing else.

 

[auscyclefan94]

With the exception of the excessive amount of sprinting staes I think its pretty good. Climbing will end up deciding this Tour, like it should, and I support that.

So should time trialling. You like this route because it is good for Robert gesink.

 

[Parrulo]

wow so surprising. i wasn't expecting such a bad job from ASO. . . o wait

 

[stefrees]

I am fuming!!!!!!

23km ttt won't put cadel 3 minutes behind but the route is a shocker.

1. More tt km's will 9 times out of 10 produce a closer race. Fact
2. TTT's close races up. FACT
3. I don't understand having an MTF at Luz Ardiden and plateu de beille. The pyrenees which is the 1st MTN region should not have 2 MTF's.

EPIC FAIL again ASO! Well done!

Not really? Time trialing on big scales isn't good, 23k of ttt. And 41k of normal tt is pretty good. And if they diluted the Pyrenees everyone would be moaning they won't hard

 

[Ferminal]

I am fuming!!!!!!

23km ttt won't put cadel 3 minutes behind but the route is a shocker.

1. More tt km's will 9 times out of 10 produce a closer race. Fact
2. TTT's close races up. FACT
3. I don't understand having an MTF at Luz Ardiden and plateu de beille. The pyrenees which is the 1st MTN region should not have 2 MTF's.

EPIC FAIL again ASO! Well done!

Do you think the Pyrenees should have 3 MTFs?

4 MTFs in a Tour it hardly a lot, and there are non in the first 11 stages, so they have to fit them in somewhere. You can have 3 MTFs in the first week for all I care (and not have any more until the final week).

I don't think anyone wants a close race, they want an open race with flair, attacking and the unexpected. No stage in the first 11 to cause a significant shake up of the GC is a massive failure. It doesn't have to be an MTF, it can be a hard TT or a difficult surface, but the first week and a half is going to ensure that conservative tactics will dictate the harder mountain stages.

 

[roundabout]

I still think that it's just one very long flat ITT away from being great route.

 

[therealtimshady]

I am fuming!!!!!!

23km ttt won't put cadel 3 minutes behind but the route is a shocker.

1. More tt km's will 9 times out of 10 produce a closer race. Fact
2. TTT's close races up. FACT
3. I don't understand having an MTF at Luz Ardiden and plateu de beille. The pyrenees which is the 1st MTN region should not have 2 MTF's.

EPIC FAIL again ASO! Well done!

i wouldnt be so sure about that the BMC team along with milram and footon are one of the worst teams ive ever seen at a grand tour (evans apart)

 

[stefrees]

For all those that don't like it, don't watch it. I'm still going to save up and spend the last week of the tour in France. Yes the giro route will be better but I still like the look of this

 

[auscyclefan94]

The obsession with climbing routes continues.

I don't get it. I really don't get why it should come down to one-dimensional riders who can climb and nothing else.

Exactly right.

Not really? Time trialing on big scales isn't good, 23k of ttt. And 41k of normal tt is pretty good. And if they diluted the Pyrenees everyone would be moaning they won't hard

look at 2003, 2006 2007 2008. Greater than 80km of ITT. Close tours!

 

[jens_attacks]

the funny thing is probably we'll have the first shake in the GC just in stage 14 to plateau de beille.

 

[Moondance]

So should time trialling. You like this route because it is good for Robert gesink.

64 TT kilometers seems like more than enough.

The Giro rarely has more.

 

[Finn84]

I was hoping the rumour of mountain TT from Grenoble to Chamrousse to happen on penultimate day, but no...

 

[auscyclefan94]

For all those that don't like it, don't watch it. I'm still going to save up and spend the last week of the tour in France. Yes the giro route will be better but I still like the look of this

I like cycling so I will watch.

i wouldnt be so sure about that the BMC team along with milram and footon are one of the worst teams ive ever seen at a grand tour (evans apart)

 

[Climbing]

I don't understand, there are 64 km of TT, that's enough for my standard.
4 MTF are good too (well the gradient of some mountains isn't that high, but that's always been the case for TdF).
The bad thing is of course 10 stages of snoozefest, very bad indeed.
PS: by the way Cadel is not going to win a GT!