A psychological analysis of Alberto Contador's response

[python]

Why wouldn't he deny? The drug they found in his system is in miniscule amounts, he has a semi-plausible excuse (way better than the Jack Daniels or missing twin excuses) and the test that really damns him hasn't been approved yet--I'm sure his lawyers are assuring him that he has nothing to worry about. If this goes to court--which it probably will, one way or another--he's got some reasonably solid arguments in his corner.

applying jrt logic i think you're a contador fanboy

And JRTinMA couldn't be righter: the link to politics is way stupid.

agreed. except he's to blame too.who cares he's a lib or limp. talk cycling and stop the entertaining stupidity or risk being labeled too.

 

[warmfuzzies]

AC wants to win and doping helps

Winning the TdF brings outsize fortune, fame and celebrity. This is true for winning the marquee event in any professional sport. Doping helps athletes win. #2 clean will never be remotely close to as fame-making as being #1. That's why ambitious athletes dope. Contador deserves a 1-2 year suspension. Big deal. Bring in the next champion doper, and let him entertain us until he gets caught.

 

[TERMINATOR]

Evidently you didn't read my post that well.

The UCI can and does announce positive tests. It is for the rider's federation to sanction him if the B sample is also found to be positive or if the rider declines to have it tested.

I was contrasting the speed at which other riders' positives were made public with the lethargy in the Contador affair. Fuyu Li returned his positive on 23 March, his suspension was announced on 22 April. the substance was the same as Contador in similarly tiny concentration. Yet it took almost 3 times as long to suspend Contador, why?

Dumbass,

Once the rider elects to make a positive doping test public, the UCI is no longer bound to keep it secret. That's what happened in the Li case (and Contador's case).

Also, the UCI's suspension of both Li and Contador is provisionary. You're not suppose to construe that as meaning they suspended them as part of a sanction for testing positive anymore than when a judge sends someone to jail with no bail before a trial means they are serving a prison sentence for what they were charged with. Li still reserves the right to contest the doping charge and apparently that is what he is doing, as will Contador.

Under the WADA Code, the public doesn't have to be informed of any positive doping test until the rider is adjudicated guilty. So the public already has way more information than they are entitled under the Code, and for you to claim there is this massive cover-up is not only bizarre, but not true.

 

[Señor_Contador]

Sure, it could be all that. Or it could just be cheaters getting caught.

Or, it could just be that the powers-that-be want your attention to be on someone's tits, behind or behaviour.

I mean, Lindsey Lohan's drug problem making it to CNN and all the major media outlets... on prime time... priceless.

The funny thing, to a foreigner in the US like me, is seeing most Americans devouring all this crap while there's a major recession going on, unemployment is at an all time high (or close) and the house they bought for 500k isn't even worth ¼ of that. I mean, it's hard to accept the fact that the appraiser, the bank and the realtor played you like a violin, so I can see how turning your attention to someone else's problems is suddenly an option.

God forbid people actually protest!

Everything's cool in this country.

Just saying.

 

[Señor_Contador]

I don't debate bigots and this link to politics is stupid. You love Contador and you think he's clean because he's your guy. Whats so hard to understand about that, its simple. You may think Valverde got a raw deal as well. If LA was Spanish he would be clean in your mind to. I get it. Indurain won 5 clean and Conconi was just his doctor, you know turn your head and cough type stuff. In a way I'm jealous of your blind faith, in this country we like to tear our stars down to often, some deserve it and some don't.

No, I'm not saying Alberto is clean, I'm actually saying the opposite. What I'm saying is that what he is being busted for is such a friggin joke it makes my nipples hard with anger.

 

[roundabout]

What evidence do you have of this? Show me a link that shows this happened. Can you name the person at the UCI who did this?

I didn't think so.

Knock yourself out.

Contador said he learned of the positive test on Aug. 24 and met with UCI doctors two days later.

"On the 26th we talked at length about how all this had happened. The UCI itself told me to my face that it was a case of food contamination," Contador said.

He said he has been in conversations with the UCI ever since "to handle this the most appropriate way possible and analyze it and see clearly that it is a case of food contamination in which I am the victim."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100930/world/cyc_contador_doping

Welches ist die beste Person, die mir ein Gutachten erstellen kann?", habe er dann gefragt, und der Chef der medizinischen Abteilung, Mario Zorzoli, habe ihn an den Maastrichter Experten Douwe de Boer verwiesen.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/dopingfall-contador-nur-allerfeinstes-kalbsfilet-1.1006752

Meanwhile, De Boer was hired by Contador to help clear his name, according to Contador on the UCI's recommendation.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/502242/contador-case-splits-experts-opinions.html

 

[JRTinMA]

applying jrt logic i think you're a contador fanboy

agreed. except he's to blame too.who cares he's a lib or limp. talk cycling and stop the entertaining stupidity or risk being labeled too.

I'm not to blame I didn't make the original political assertion, you can read the facts if you're interested, careful as you risk being labeled stupid when you make stuff up. You are a perfect example that people will back who they love, a fanboy as you call it and you love Pharmador, your bias is obvious. Fans will create stories and believe elaborate schemes that demonstrate their favorite rider is clean. Like I said before, I think he's a doper based on what I noted earlier in the thread, in referring to yourself you would call it a learned opinion Turns out jealousy and nationalism play a major role as well, imagine that.

 

[JRTinMA]

No, I'm not saying Alberto is clean, I'm actually saying the opposite. What I'm saying is that what he is being busted for is such a friggin joke it makes my nipples hard with anger.

Ew on the nips! Read his links to doping and don't be upset how they may get him, he's a doper and he was caught. Don't worry though, I say may because he will walk, the rich always do and the UCI is helping him walk away from this little inconvenience. Next year he will be juiced to the gills storming up some Col.

 

[python]

I'm not to blame I didn't make the original political assertion, you can read the facts if you're interested, careful as you risk being labeled stupid when you make stuff up. You are a perfect example that people will back who they love, a fanboy as you call it and you love Pharmador, your bias is obvious. Fans will create stories and believe elaborate schemes that demonstrate their favorite rider is clean. Like I said before, I think he's a doper based on what I noted earlier in the thread, in referring to yourself you would call it a learned opinion Turns out jealousy and nationalism play a major role as well, imagine that.

excellent ! in this tirade you just confirmed you're or a hypocrite demagogue (a lib or limp i could care less).

there is a post there, you beating your chest about your political views no one asked you about or cares about. yet you chose to pound that limp (lib) chest.

get real genius, you're much less than a cycling fan. you're an armstrong closet fanboy, if you could deduce in me a contador fan ! i believe, he's a doper but me referencing your infatuation as a source of the humo article drives you nuts. why would you else attack everyone who questions your closet love ?

 

[Arnout]

Winning the TdF brings outsize fortune, fame and celebrity. This is true for winning the marquee event in any professional sport. Doping helps athletes win. #2 clean will never be remotely close to as fame-making as being #1. That's why ambitious athletes dope. Contador deserves a 1-2 year suspension. Big deal. Bring in the next champion doper, and let him entertain us until he gets caught.

Yeah, this is so true.

We want bread and circuses. When they deliver it, we're happy, but become bored after a few rounds. At that point our thumbs will go down because of some minor reasons (like a victory salute). Any reason to dump him will then be celebrated.

It's the way we live, and there's no better proof for this than the popularity of the tabloids.

 

[roundabout]

Dodging Puerto is not a minor reason.

 

[El Pistolero]

Just looking at the Humo cover right now. Wiske has a Swastika as an eye. Nice. I can only imagine what the cover will be of the Humo with the Contador article in it(hasn't been published yet as far as I know)

At least Bruno de Wever, one of my professors, is defending Willy Vandersteen(writer of Suske and Wiske) in that Humo article.

edit: wait, the article of Contador is in this Humo. It's like they wanted to hide the article it's not even in the bibliography(or what ever the english word for it is)

edit again: Wait, it's a story about Contador's cook lying.

 

[JRTinMA]

excellent ! in this tirade you just confirmed you're or a hypocrite demagogue (a lib or limp i could care less).

there is a post there, you beating your chest about your political views no one asked you about or cares about. yet you chose to pound that limp (lib) chest.

get real genius, you're much less than a cycling fan. you're an armstrong closet fanboy, if you could deduce in me a contador fan ! i believe, he's a doper but me referencing your infatuation as a source of the humo article drives you nuts. why would you else attack everyone who questions your closet love ?

Actually I only point out inconsistency and you are the poster child. I have reduced you to labeling and name calling, the last bastion of the defeated. Get back to your entry level lab tech job, I think the stool samples need checking.

 

[python]

Actually I only point out inconsistency and you are the poster child. I have reduced you to labeling and name calling, the last bastion of the defeated. Get back to your entry level lab tech job, I think the stool samples need checking.

no baby ! you reduced yourself in front of the wide audience to a petty, limited, dim, uniformed armstrong fanboy.

the facts are out there - chest pounding about your political views no one cares about, attacking anyone questioning your closet texas love, accusations of being-half-witted when i pointed to armstrong connection, "not full-filling your wicked forum standard", your endless whining when getting back what you asked for and started. Get real genius, you are a not a cycling fan but a closet
fanboy of a fraud from texas.

 

[JRTinMA]

no baby ! you reduced yourself in front of the wide audience to a petty, limited, dim, uniformed armstrong fanboy.

the facts are out there - chest pounding about your political views no one cares about, attacking anyone questioning your closet texas love, accusations of being-half-witted when i pointed to armstrong connection, "not full-filling your wicked forum standard", your endless whining when getting back what you asked for and started. Get real genius, you are a not a cycling fan but a closet
fanboy of a fraud from texas.

Haha fanboy reference and failure to read who brought up the political stuff, I own you. I will only respond to you when you properly refer to me as daddy.

 

[python]

Haha fanboy reference and failure to read who brought up the political stuff, I own you. I will only respond to you when you properly refer to me as daddy.

you own and owe very little as the facts of your texas fanboyism are out there.

i could care less if you respond to me but be sure i will respond to your outrageous lack of cycling knowledge. you have asked for it, petty whiner.

 

[Scatto]

Psychologically, there was nothing wrong with AC up until now. Riders don't think they've crossed the line when they do. They only realize they did if they get caught. But if you succeed in keeping up the lie, you can postpone this realization. You have all reasons to do so. In the first place, economically, but maybe equally important, you're willing to keep it up to preserve your integrity towards yourself. You don't want to change your concept of morality. It's like a lucid dream you don't want to end.

Must be hard.

 

[ultimobici]

Dumbass,

The UCI is obligated to keep positive tests confidential under the rules. There is no cover-up whatsoever and what they told Contador was the CORRECT course of action until it was determined by the results committee that the positive test was valid and that they were moving forward with a case.

This is done in every doping case and Contador wasn't treated any differently.

Not sure why you think the German press getting knowledge of the positive somehow prevented this [non-existent] cover-up.

Charmed I'm sure!
By all means disagree, but why the overly aggressive tone?

 

[Anonymous]

Charmed I'm sure!
By all means disagree, but why the overly aggressive tone?

Have you not figured out yet what it means to have a forum name entirely in capitals? Lack of confidence, insecurity, desire for attention, and invariably a very small penis

Serious case of over-compensation

One of two types of people, an overgrown lump who managed to get cheap steroids in the 80's and has never got off them, or a 12 year old sat behind his computer trying to run with the big boys.

 

[TexPat]

So, shall we rename this thread, " A psychological analysis of TERMINATOR"?

 

[Cobblestones]

Have you not figured out yet what it means to have a forum name entirely in capitals? Lack of confidence, insecurity, desire for attention, and invariably a very small penis

Serious case of over-compensation

One of two types of people, an overgrown lump who managed to get cheap steroids in the 80's and has never got off them, or a 12 year old sat behind his computer trying to run with the big boys.

Could also be a 60 year old FORTRAN programmer. They turned on CAPSLOCK in the 70s and never looked back.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

He was scrutinized for a reason. That reason to me is that he is burning bridges. Notice the damage control Alberto was doing with Andy during the tour. For the sport Alberto should have put Andys face in the dirt.

That still drives me crazy! Giving that scrawny, pastey-faced mole-person the stage after he was getting attacked by him... What the sweet loving jebus f*ck!

I tell ya, Flicker. I really like picking on you, but sometimes you really have some good nuggets...

 

[Anonymous]

Could also be a 60 year old FORTRAN programmer. They turned on CAPSLOCK in the 70s and never looked back.

lol .....

 

[HoustonHammer]

Dumbass,

The UCI is obligated to keep positive tests confidential under the rules. There is no cover-up whatsoever and what they told Contador was the CORRECT course of action until it was determined by the results committee that the positive test was valid and that they were moving forward with a case.
[non-existent] cover-up.

According to its own rules, the UCI is NOT obligated to keep positive tests confidential. Article 206 of the UCI Antidoping Rules provides that after an Adverse Analytical Finding, the UCI notifies the rider, his national federation, his national anti-doping agency and WADA; Article 352 provides that once the Article 206 notification has been made, UCI may publicly announce "the identity of a License-Holder who may have committed an anti-doping rule violation."

This is exactly what the UCI did on 9/30 when they gave the press release announcing that AC had returned a Adverse Analytical Finding and was provisionally suspended.

 

[Paco_P]

Tainted meat is actually possible with clenbuterol, getting synthetic testosteron in your body through normal whiskey is not.

It seems that in all the reported incidents of clenbuterol poisoning through eating meat, the meat that had been eaten was, specifically, the liver, where many toxins in the body accumulate.