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flicker said:B. 69,
I do not know Alberto personally. I do think he doped in this tour and the past. I do think he is flawed.
You know him personally. He has not shown his personality to the general public yet i imagine. what the public see is a professional bike racer. B. 69
Right there I think you are wrong. Last year I saw Alberto gifting races to Valverde. That was a flaw by Alberto. Last years tour when he absolutely put everyones face in the dirt on the mountain stage in the tour. Personality flaw. Attacking Schleck when Schlecks chain dropped. Personality flaw. You-Tube appology, personality flaw. Tainted meat from Spain,personality flaw. Made his cattle raising in Spain look bad. Said his team (ASTANA)had meat receipt if they chose to come up with it(priceless).
What Albert has done is created bad blood with first the Shack now with ASTANA, now obviously with the doping control.
He was scrutinized for a reason. That reason to me is that he is burning bridges. Notice the damage control Alberto was doing with Andy during the tour. For the sport Alberto should have put Andys face in the dirt.
For your info I am a big Schleck fan also. I am very sorry that Contador doped and was caught. I am going out on a limb and pull a LeMond here and say "follow your conscience Alberto and come clean."
Aguirre said:I see lots of rule & law fanatics in this forum, would be good to know about their political orientation in order if thought & behaviour match
Oh, that's subtle. Nicely done.Aguirre said:I see lots of rule & law fanatics in this forum, would be good to know about their political orientation in order if thought & behaviour match
JRTinMA said:I'm a lib from Massachusetts and I hate dopers, because I'm a liberal I hate them all equally, its in my nature. I will go out on a limb and suggest you're theory linking this to political orientation is flawed. What you have proven is that the link is based entirely on the whom you choose to follow as a superfan. In your case its Pharmador, he is a stroke victim, Fuentes customer, clen junkie and a blood doper. As I have said before there are three reasons a teenager strokes, 1) drugs, 2) drugs, 3) drugs.
Aguirre said:what you are showing is another kind of mental weakness, mixing up everything, ridiculous way of thinking
I loved gifts to Valverde at Dauphine, that's cycling too, I liked not wait at stupid chaingate, and I hated it conti-schleck kissing at the Tour, etc. Am I a weird?
common' Contador is very normal and humild person who is watched by million eyes and then everything he does is for scrutiny in good/bad stupid non-sense.
If you don't get this, the problem is yours...
El Pistolero said:You heard it here guys Gaius Julius Caesar was doping!
I wouldn't be so sure his theory is flawed if you're really a liberal. Go kick some poor people!
hfer07 said:which begs the question: who's pimping who & who's the b!tch?![]()
hrotha said:Who's ruining the sport?
a) People who try to enforce the rules
b) People who cheat
You chose (a), and I pity you.
edit: also, there's a positive for clenbuterol, a banned substance with no legal threshold. That's not rumour or opinion.
JRTinMA said:I'm a lib from Massachusetts and I hate dopers, because I'm a liberal I hate them all equally, its in my nature. I will go out on a limb and suggest you're theory linking this to political orientation is flawed. What you have proven is that the link is based entirely on the whom you choose to follow as a superfan. In your case its Pharmador, he is a stroke victim, Fuentes customer, clen junkie and a blood doper. As I have said before there are three reasons a teenager strokes, 1) drugs, 2) drugs, 3) drugs.
Aguirre said:I will even go further in my assertion, it is not only about political orientation, most of the liberals enforcing this struggle against doping in a similar way of fighting against terror, it is also about geographical limits, I mean, european traditional countries of cycling vs. the globalization, anglo-american way of seeing the sport and cycling, even it is also about old fans vs. newcomers...
As an left-wing european based in a region devoted to cycling, that has followed closely 30 seasons of cycling (I mean, all courses from Grand Tours, to classics, small races,) and also is a cyclosportif... I can't help you
flicker said:So I guess what you mean by that is your guy Alberto is a nice normal guy living in Pinto, is just your everyday normal working Spaniard...
Aguirre said:working class guy
Aguirre said:I will even go further in my assertion, it is not only about political orientation, most of the liberals enforcing this struggle against doping
in a similar way of fighting against terror
Señor_Contador said:Well, that's where you make a mistake, it's not only liberals at the forefront of the War on Doping, it's the establishment. I mean, to the regular (middle class) American there are obviously more important problems to worry about, like losing their jobs, crime, et cetera. It's the establishment that create these artificial concerns, like doping, Lindsey Lohan's drug problem, etc. And they do it because people are largely content playing along.
Doping in sports is the new fight against the usage of foul language in music which, consequently, ended up, after many millions that could've been put to better use, with the now infamous "Parental advisory, explicit lirics" sticker. It's amazing, people know more about A-Rod's sexual habits that the classes their kids are taking or how Big Business is inmersed in an outsourcing wave that will kill the American economy in a few decades.
The fight against terror is largely a conservative (republican) phenomenom. Bush/Cheney/Da Hawks needed an open-ended war and twenty some odd idiots from Saudi Arabia (and other countries in the area) gave it to them.
Aguirre said:working class guy
Señor_Contador said:Of course, a liberal from Massachusetts!! Yeah baby!!
You're into making the world a better place, saving the whales, the trees and feeding poor black kids, as long as they live 5,000 miles away.
Tell me something Justiciero, how many black people live in your neighborhood?
hrotha said:The UCI has said from the beginning that it was a tiny amount and most likely the result of contamination. I'd expect an impartial judge to say nothing of the sort until after the end of the whole process.
ultimobici said:Contador claiming that the UCI told him to keep schtum isn't perhaps the beginnings of a cover-up that, as another poster mentioned, could have worked but for the German press getting hold of it?
roundabout said:The UCI must have been also permitted to help the rider who tested positive with expert advice.
Wait, that's not in the rules either.
TexPat said:On topic: AC has taken a page out of all the other dopers who have been caught; deny, deny, deny is the modus operandi
ultimobici said:The whole order of information being presented to the public is a little skewed too. How come it took weeks for anyone to mention that they had a receipt? How come it took weeks longer than usual to announce that there was a positive test?
ultimobici said:The Tour finished in July yet it was 10 weeks to the announcement of Contador's positive. Contrast that with the Vuelta positives being announced 3 weeks after the samples were taken. What was the reason for the 7 week delay?
Anti-doping depends on transparency both for the riders and the fans. If this kind of fudging occurs it serves only to undermine the integrity of the sport. That the UCI could think that, in the wake of the Armstrong bribe revelations, they could just sweep a positive under the carpet beggars belief. How can anyone have confidence that the system is fair with debacles like this?