ADAC Cyclassics Hamburg 2025, August 17

[postmanhat]

There's more to nationality than place of birth.

Well yes. Was thinking more of Irish cyclists who lived all their life in England (Martin, Healey, Dunne, Townsend?). Certainly, two of those rode for GB early in their careers.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Never even heard about Rory Townsend before! Fantastic victory!! Huge congratulations to him. Always great when a total outsider beats the favorites.

I've heard him mentioned before but he's already 30 and his palmares aren't the shiniest, so huge congrats to him!

 

[Axel Hangleck]

Well yes. Was thinking more of Irish cyclists who lived all their life in England (Martin, Healey, Dunne, Townsend?). Certainly, two of those rode for GB early in their careers.

Matt Brammeier was another; a Scouser who rode for GB Youth teams, he chose to ride for Ireland as it gave him a better chance of riding internationally. Now he's back with TeamGB as a coach.

And then there was the Ireland football team in the late 80s/early 90s - players from Yorkshire, Glasgow, London, Liverpool etc

 

[Unchained]

I've heard him mentioned before but he's already 30 and his palmares aren't the shiniest, so huge congrats to him!

The race is set up so you really need to be an all around rider in future years, guys like Wout and Mads are upping the game.. If you can't climb at all your days are limited..
Teams like UAE show up with no dedicated sprinter and instead just turn the heat up over steep short climbs and burn guys off..aka Milan.. My big positive is seeing a guy come from the sofa to top ten..Jasper Philipsen looks like he is right back on track.. Girmay..sure he didn't win but he was there at crunch time!! Impressive.. Fred Wright in the mix multiple times this year, guy is going great. Antonio Morgado is making some progress!! Guy is lights out in ITT and he just needs to keep at it..something good is going to happen. Wout is racing solid, he is a factor even when he doesn't win..
This race was a pleasant surprise that some dedicated sprinters blew up ..

 

[Unchained]

Germans!
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[Danskebjerge]

Congratulations to the TV producers - thanks to their motorbikes the breakaway made it. The TV motorbike in front of the three man group on the last kilometers handed them at least five seconds, and I didn't see a motorbike in front of the peloton at the same time. So it's very likely that the deciding factor was this external removal of wind resistance.

 

[jmdirt]

YES! I love it when the winner comes from the break!
Congrats RT!

 

[Netserk]

Congratulations to the TV producers - thanks to their motorbikes the breakaway made it. The TV motorbike in front of the three man group on the last kilometers handed them at least five seconds, and I didn't see a motorbike in front of the peloton at the same time. So it's very likely that the deciding factor was this external removal of wind resistance.

If it's nothing more than already expected, then it should rationally be priced in to the time gap allowed.

 

[Didinho]

You also don’t want to have a motorbike in front of the peloton if it’s only 10”, he need to be out of the way when he can before there’s no chance anymore. And it has to be filmed so that’s what you always get in a cycling race. If you attack you can have some advantage.

Peloton should’ve worked earlier. But that’s the risk of catching the break and fresher riders starting to attack.

 

[Unchained]

Congratulations to the TV producers - thanks to their motorbikes the breakaway made it. The TV motorbike in front of the three man group on the last kilometers handed them at least five seconds, and I didn't see a motorbike in front of the peloton at the same time. So it's very likely that the deciding factor was this external removal of wind resistance.

Just to be clear @50% of motorcycles are for media at a race, most are race officials and traffic blocks.. Some neutral support and some police often times.. And motorcycles often screw up the distance using rear view mirror to judge how far in front they are from riders. And often turns that are easy for a bicycle are more difficult on a motorcycle, especially 2 up..or if person in passenger position is facing backwards.. It makes things difficult when passenger " helps you " by leaning into the turn and it's a bizarre sensation to have someone on the back who is completely unaware, doesn't care what you are doing to pilot the motorcycle. Many pros that do moto support or people riding on back are highly, highly skilled and are trying to avoid exactly what you are explaining.. And when you crash while riding a motorcycle, dump your cargo or passenger.. It's terrible or when you cause bicycles you are there supporting, to crash it sucks.. But it happens..

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/aQI7-9IALqM

Or this...

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/x_2zMIvtHds

Or you are on a heavy motorcycle and this suddenly appears in front of you!!

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ9UoqHzdbg&pp=ygUXQmljeWNsZSByYWNlIG1vdG8gY3Jhc2g%3D

In this video you see motorcycles mentioned and not mentioned for all the right reasons!! @7 minutes in.. 1 moto could have run him over, another there to save him!!

 

[AmRacer]

Just to be clear @50% of motorcycles are for media at a race, most are race officials and traffic blocks.. Some neutral support and some police often times.. And motorcycles often screw up the distance using rear view mirror to judge how far in front they are from riders. And often turns that are easy for a bicycle are more difficult on a motorcycle, especially 2 up..or if person in passenger position is facing backwards.. It makes things difficult when passenger " helps you " by leaning into the turn and it's a bizarre sensation to have someone on the back who is completely unaware, doesn't care what you are doing to pilot the motorcycle. Many pros that do moto support or people riding on back are highly, highly skilled and are trying to avoid exactly what you are explaining.. And when you crash while riding a motorcycle, dump your cargo or passenger.. It's terrible or when you cause bicycles you are there supporting, to crash it sucks.. But it happens..

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/aQI7-9IALqM

Or this...

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/x_2zMIvtHds

Or you are on a heavy motorcycle and this suddenly appears in front of you!!

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ9UoqHzdbg&pp=ygUXQmljeWNsZSByYWNlIG1vdG8gY3Jhc2g%3D

In this video you see motorcycles mentioned and not mentioned for all the right reasons!! @7 minutes in.. 1 moto could have run him over, another there to save him!!

View: https://youtu.be/wYaBEYHaiLc?feature=shared

 

[Unchained]

View: https://youtu.be/wYaBEYHaiLc?feature=shared

There are lots of them, thanks to God not all are recorded to video!!

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Amazing win today. What cycling is all about.

 

[Bolder]

Congratulations to the TV producers - thanks to their motorbikes the breakaway made it. The TV motorbike in front of the three man group on the last kilometers handed them at least five seconds, and I didn't see a motorbike in front of the peloton at the same time. So it's very likely that the deciding factor was this external removal of wind resistance.

He who dares, wins. There's got to be some reward for being in the break all day!

 

[pastronef]

I just caught up now on the replay. IT'S AMAZING. WHAT A WIN, I'M VERY HAPPY for him and Q36.5

 

[Danskebjerge]

He who dares, wins. There's got to be some reward for being in the break all day!

Except in races where the motorbike isn't there for the breakaway. A lottery in other words. Something must be done about it.

 

[RedheadDane]

@Cookster15, might be time to remove the sticky?