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frenchfry said:
Hard not to be cynical when news like this is announced, complete with McQuaid's "I must protect our sport" statement.

Bruyneel will likely have someone full time making sure the coffee is warm for the UCI testers. Maybe ASO is providing the coffee makers as part of the service.

Interesting that for a certain rider the only testing will be done by an organisation to which he has knowingly "donated" a substantial amount of cash.

What a joke pro cycling has become.

McQuaid probably asked Bruyneel his advice and was told; do what we do, get rid of them, discredit them, don´t worry about any costs, you´re about due for another donation, my boy has his checkbook out, how much do you need?

It is very sad that the UCI can get away with such a blatent conflict of interest. They are certainly trying to have the 2010 Tour appear dope free but definitely not free of dopes.
 

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Race Radio said:
Landis has admitted to a few friends and training partners. I do not live too far from him and it is fairly common knowledge around here.

The fact that Floyd doped is IRRELEVENT to the fact that the lab does shoddy work.

If a refinery fire is due to shoddy work, do you blame it on the fact that gas is flammable?

And pleeeze, don't give me the "show me evidence of shoddy work" lol.

And And a Lab cutting corners and not following rules is even WORSE than a Rider cutting corners and not following rules. The Lab should be suspended for 2+ years.
 
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The fact that Floyd doped is IRRELEVENT to the fact that the lab does shoddy work.

If a refinery fire is due to shoddy work, do you blame it on the fact that gas is flammable?

And pleeeze, don't give me the "show me evidence of shoddy work" lol.

And And a Lab cutting corners and not following rules is even WORSE than a Rider cutting corners and not following rules. The Lab should be suspended for 2+ years.

So your argument is essentially that even a blind squirrel can find a nut.

So, in your view, how many more would be caught doping if the lab was half-way decent?
 
turnkey303 said:
I'm not sure it did, that's my point about that particular lab having a much higher rate of finding alleged testosterone positives. They were obviously doing a lot of testing with a machine that was not installed and configured correctly to give a reliable result.

Actually Chris Campbell dissented and pointed out the numerous errors of WADA protocol by the lab but the errors of testing and chain of custody were ignored or whitewashed by the other 2 members of the panel.

The bigger picture (for people who have too much time on their hands) is to look through the WADA people and processes because when you do you'll notice that the same names keep popping up. The whole WADA system is so incestuous and full of conflicts of interest it's horrifying and is completely stacked against athletes. It still boggles my mind that no one, at least a sports journalist somewhere, has not looked into the background of the system and people involved. Why did USAC suddenly settle out of court and give Floyd his license back? We may never know for sure because the deal is sealed but the speculation was because Floyd's team could embarrass some people with conflicts of interest in the case and get some traction with his case.

I'm not saying all the dopers are innocent, not in any way shape or form, but I am saying Floyd was railroaded with miserable lab work, prosecuted because USAC could get away with it instead of telling the UCI the case was sketchy to begin with so as to not risk the ire of the UCI.

Spend a few days going through the information on Floyd's case that is public domain and you WILL be horrified.

Getting the ratio wrong is one thing...synthetic testosterone appearing by magic, if not spiked, is another.....but yeah, blame the lab.
 

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Scott SoCal said:
So your argument is essentially that even a blind squirrel can find a nut.
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I suppose that is my argument....but is Bordry the "blind squirrel" or the "nut"?

The UCI says:
"We don't need the AFLD. At the end of the day, Bordry operates based on the fact that he caught seven riders in the 2008 Tour de France; the AFLD didn't catch seven riders in the 2008 Tour, it was the laboratory Châtenay-Malabry that did. They're the ones that developed the CERA test which caught the athletes. We can work directly with the laboratory no problem."

But then the UCI mentions camels not squirrels:
"This isn't a one-off incident, we've had difficulties with the AFLD with links and that sort of thing over the years. This was just the straw that broke the camel's back, so we have no confidence in them anymore."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-uci-doesnt-need-french-anti-doping-agency
 
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Polish said:
I suppose that is my argument....but is Bordry the "blind squirrel" or the "nut"?

The UCI says:


But then the UCI mentions camels not squirrels:


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-uci-doesnt-need-french-anti-doping-agency

Sorry, quoting Pat McQuaid only hurts your case.

I suggest you read the CAS decision. They tear apart the supposed mishandling invented by Landis and his team. The IRMS test proved Landis doped multiple times during the Tour. Even the best smoke and mirrors job by his team could not change this fact.

That they tried to interfear with the testing process on the second round of testing, Hacked the LNDD computers, lied and withheld incriminating blood values, invented the "We were locked out" story and played games with the ADA's to run up the costs of the case only serve to show that Landis' motives were less then honorable.
 
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BroDeal said:
+1

Sounds exactly like one of the fools that used to hang out on Trust But Never Verify, the website for low bandwidth fanboys and conspiracy nutters. Perhaps even one of the chief propagandists there who was responsible for misleading the masses.

Hmmm low bandwidth eh? So you're saying information has to be a bandwidth hog? As far as I can recall TBV was the only place that posted the actual documents. Remind me if I'm wrong. You guys are killing me and haven't shown anywhere else that has the docs.

I can't fix what they did to Floyd but I can change a couple of minds about it although probably none on here pretty obviously so I'll stop trying.
 
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Race Radio said:
Sorry, quoting Pat McQuaid only hurts your case.

I suggest you read the CAS decision. They tear apart the supposed mishandling invented by Landis and his team. The IRMS test proved Landis doped multiple times during the Tour. Even the best smoke and mirrors job by his team could not change this fact.

That they tried to interfear with the testing process on the second round of testing, Hacked the LNDD computers, lied and withheld incriminating blood values, invented the "We were locked out" story and played games with the ADA's to run up the costs of the case only serve to show that Landis' motives were less then honorable.

Defending himself is less than an honorable? Damn you're a hard @ss and I sure won't be changing your mind. And FL's crew didn't any damn computers, please.
 
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turnkey303 said:
Defending himself is less than an honorable? Damn you're a hard @ss and I sure won't be changing your mind. And FL's crew didn't any damn computers, please.

Did you read what I wrote?

Do you think that Paul Scott planing, then attempting to interfere with the testing honorable?

Do you think hacking the LNDD computers is honorable?

Do you think lying for 6 months to the judge and pretending you do not have you blood values is honorable? After months of lying the Landis legal team was forced to hand over the number as the UCI proved they were lying. It was clear from the numbers why Landis lied about not having them, he showed a huge jump in the third week of the Tour, when most riders show a 12% decrease.

Do you think INVENTING the story that they were lock out of LNDD when the NEVER HAPPENED was honorable?

Do you think it was honorable for Landis to threaten on an internet forum to out Lemond's childhood molestation if he talked? Was it honorable for his business manager to call Lemond prior to his testimony pretending to be the molester? Most would not see this as honorable, the judge saw it as witness intimidation.

Was it honorable to force participants in the case to fly to NYC in order to run up costs for the ADA's, then tell them they were not needed?

Landis and his teamed lied throughout the process. They have no class.
 
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Did you read what I wrote?

Do you think that Paul Scott planing, then attempting to interfere with the testing honorable?

Do you think hacking the LNDD computers is honorable?

Do you think lying for 6 months to the judge and pretending you do not have you blood values is honorable? After months of lying the Landis legal team was forced to hand over the number as the UCI proved they were lying. It was clear from the numbers why Landis lied about not having them, he showed a huge jump in the third week of the Tour, when most riders show a 12% decrease.

Do you think INVENTING the story that they were lock out of LNDD when the NEVER HAPPENED was honorable?

Do you think it was honorable for Landis to threaten on an internet forum to out Lemond's childhood molestation if he talked? Was it honorable for his business manager to call Lemond prior to his testimony pretending to be the molester? Most would not see this as honorable, the judge saw it as witness intimidation.

Was it honorable to force participants in the case to fly to NYC in order to run up costs for the ADA's, then tell them they were not needed?

Landis and his teamed lied throughout the process. They have no class.

Ok I give. I'll go for a ride without any help besides coffee.
 

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Race Radio said:
Sorry, quoting Pat McQuaid only hurts your case.

I suggest you read the CAS decision. They tear apart the supposed mishandling invented by Landis and his team. The IRMS test proved Landis doped multiple times during the Tour. Even the best smoke and mirrors job by his team could not change this fact.

That they tried to interfear with the testing process on the second round of testing, Hacked the LNDD computers, lied and withheld incriminating blood values, invented the "We were locked out" story and played games with the ADA's to run up the costs of the case only serve to show that Landis' motives were less then honorable.


I was quoting a cyclingnews.com article - I gave the link.
It outlines the case McQuaid made two months ago to ditch the AFLD.

ASO's decision, the topic of the OP, seems to go along with McQuaid.
We will no doubt hear from Mr Bordry soon, and hilarity should ensue.


But anyway, back to floyd, maybe Mr Bordry can reflect on his success on the Floyd Case
as he picks through the garbage during the 2010 TdF.
 

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MacRoadie said:
Apparently, Bordry's criticism of Lance and the boys was too much for Paddy McQuaid so the UCI, without a hint of a conflict of interest of course, will administer all anti-doping at this year's TdF.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldOfSport/idINIndia-45632320100123

An "invitation" to WADA to "scrutinize" the testing is pending...


A quick question to all you guys who subscribe to the theory that there are so few French positives due to the aggressive nature of testing by the FFC and AFLD: how does this jibe when the UCI and ASO can basically walk in and make their own decisions on anti-doping on French soil?

What do you expect from a guy who still has Buckles on his shoes?
 
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hfer07 said:
Pat McQuaid:
"The Tour de France is the biggest cycling event in the world and we want to preserve it"

translation:
We want to control the tour & avoid doping scandals at all cost
so there you have it: the "Anglo-Saxon" approach to cycling!!!




U C I IS F*CK*NG UP THE SPORT

He is a Cucking Felt.
 
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python said:
rr sometimes more than one post form a poster tell a lot. in the case of tk it is obvious he is either trolling or is clueless. i could add alot more but feel it would be a waste and is a prefect opportunity to call it a day.

i suggest you do the same as this territory is offtopic, was travelled too many times and there is nothing one can do to change opinions or the facts in fladis' case. tk is a variant of a poster you're too familiar with.

I was beginning to wonder, the moussetache is always different but you realise after reading a few posts that even though a lot is said, nothing of any consequence is being talked about.

If plandis was innocent he would never have gone to the lenghts he did, people don't do that unless lies are what is being relied on. Any other argument is clearly nonsense or the Nodding Nutcase from before
 
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hfer07 said:
Pat McQuaid:
"The Tour de France is the biggest cycling event in the world and we want to preserve it"

translation:
We want to control the tour & avoid doping scandals at all cost
so there you have it: the "Anglo-Saxon" approach to cycling!!!




U C I IS F*CK*NG UP THE SPORT

Question is...!! Can SOMEBODY or ANYBODY challenge s-PAT? He's proved to be the cycling DICTATOR. ANYBODY OUT THERE?
 
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Digger said:
Take it easy there with the Celt remarks. Some of us are proud of being Irish.


With a name like that you could have fueled me on turf.

Who was the captain of The all Ireland final winning, Cork team, of 1903?
 
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garciadb said:
Question is...!! Can SOMEBODY or ANYBODY challenge s-PAT? He's proved to be the cycling DICTATOR. ANYBODY OUT THERE?

Some of the worst mafias outfits in the history of the States had an Irish enforcer, there is something in some of these individuals make up that makes them eminently suitable to sacrificing morals to the good of greed, he be a perfect example.
 

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Some of the worst mafias outfits in the history of the States had an Irish enforcer, there is something in some of these individuals make up that makes them eminently suitable to sacrificing morals to the good of greed, he be a perfect example.

The notorious Mc Gambino's?

The Irish also produced Kimmage and Walsh....
 
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Digger said:
Brilliant....so original.

I took your words to heart and Googled the bold words, you are right, they are original, as for brilliant, if that is your judgement , then you might have a wee, gigantic problem with your general view of things that surround you. If, on the other wand, your were halving a laff, then your magic is wonderfully subtle, almost unoticeable in fact, but they don't necessarily appear to be your speciality.


Originality is no problem for me. First of all, you know not where I'm from also you know not what I'm saying, therefore you criticizing my input reduces your useful output, the answer is Steva Riordan, My great,great Uncle.Your Questionability will remain ongoing for a while, when you will then be allowed to have another go. At that point you may be required to go elswhere and become intimate with your own plumbing system, good.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
The notorious Mc Gambino's?

The Irish also produced Kimmage and Walsh....

There are a few misguided decent streakers from there as well as the more infamous exports. One of their problems was that their banishment policy missed out on Haughey and , yeah Ok, thousands more. They do have a problem holding on to their Gold, while having an unenvious amount of
skullduggerers.
 

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