AFLD/WADA vs UCI testing

[Oldman]

Is the AFLD request for WADA about money or the sport?

 

[theswordsman]

Is the AFLD request for WADA about money or the sport?

It's tough to call at this point. It's natural for an organization that has had some success to want to protect their turf and their reputation, especially if they feel they can do a job better than the people taking over. At the same time, politics are causing them to be something crazy like 4 million Euros short on their budget, so they're fighting for their existence. If they came up with positive tests during Paris-Nice, it might help their cause for the rest of the year.

I'll add a question strictly for entertainment purposes. If the AFLD did do some additional testing for the event, targeting specific riders, and if the OCLAESP coincidentally had an open investigation in search of evidence on those same riders, would a subpoena get them what they want? Or would that be unnecessary, because the police organization could approach the riders themselves?

Anyway, I trust the AFLD more than the UCI, especially this year, so I hope they get their funding and a chance to be involved.

 

[poupou]

Anyway, I trust the AFLD more than the UCI, especially this year, so I hope they get their funding and a chance to be involved.

A good reading to understand why you cannot trust UCI or federations:
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/...+country+skiing+coach+says/2519416/story.html

 

[Oldman]

A good reading to understand why you cannot trust UCI or federations:
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/...+country+skiing+coach+says/2519416/story.html

It sounds as bad as the UCI. Everyone thinks it's a dairy and they're all fighting for a teat instead of asking if the cow is sick...

 

[karlboss]

if i were a cynic, I might suggest the problem is the UCI knows who will be tested with the 95 tests, but not the other 15.

 

[Anonymous]

if i were a cynic, I might suggest the problem is the UCI knows who will be tested with the 95 tests, but not the other 15.

+1. Apparently AFLD testers don't like Bruyneel's choice of instant coffee.

 

[Hugh Januss]

It's tough to call at this point. It's natural for an organization that has had some success to want to protect their turf and their reputation, especially if they feel they can do a job better than the people taking over. At the same time, politics are causing them to be something crazy like 4 million Euros short on their budget, so they're fighting for their existence. If they came up with positive tests during Paris-Nice, it might help their cause for the rest of the year.

I'll add a question strictly for entertainment purposes. If the AFLD did do some additional testing for the event, targeting specific riders, and if the OCLAESP coincidentally had an open investigation in search of evidence on those same riders, would a subpoena get them what they want? Or would that be unnecessary, because the police organization could approach the riders themselves?

Anyway, I trust the AFLD more than the UCI, especially this year, so I hope they get their funding and a chance to be involved.

It occurs to me to wonder whether the AFLD's funding problems have any connection to the French President's apparent admiration for a certain Texan "bi.. rider"

 

[Polish]

Pickers

Even if WADA rules against official testing by the AFLD, we can still expect to see Mr Bordry and the Gendarmes going through the hotel trash at Paris-Nice.

Do you think the oppulent Sky Bus has secret compartments built in for trash storage?

 

[usedtobefast]

Even if WADA rules against official testing by the AFLD, we can still expect to see Mr Bordry and the Gendarmes going through the hotel trash at Paris-Nice.

Do you think the opulent Sky Bus has secret compartments built in for trash storage?

if they are as smart as they say they are, they have secret compartments and maybe an incinerator. bordry is a classic blowhard as well.

 

[python]

Even if WADA rules against official testing by the AFLD, we can still expect to see Mr Bordry and the Gendarmes going through the hotel trash at Paris-Nice.

if the matter of this testing was urgent, that is, connected in anyway with the ongoing criminal investigation of astana medical waste from the 2009 tour, strictly speaking i dont think the french need any wada permission.

this refers to both the afld and the investigating police unit.

as bruyneel personally clarified with anne gripper on 17 march 2009, uci/wada rules allow afld to test any rider on french soil. armstrong will confirm it. my guess is, the afld is just looking for a blanket authorization from wada to avoid much noise and to remain relevant.

and to make a better case for their involvement in testing during the 2010 tour.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

A good reading to understand why you cannot trust UCI or federations:
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/...+country+skiing+coach+says/2519416/story.html

Thanks for the read.

 

[python]

if the matter of this testing was urgent, that is, connected in anyway with the ongoing criminal investigation of astana medical waste from the 2009 tour, strictly speaking i dont think the french need any wada permission.

this refers to both the afld and the investigating police unit.

as bruyneel personally clarified with anne gripper on 17 march 2009,* uci/wada rules allow afld to test any rider on french soil. armstrong will confirm it. my guess is, the afld is just looking for a blanket authorization from wada to avoid much noise and to remain relevant.

and to make a better case for their involvement in testing during the 2010 tour.

*
wanted to clarify. it's a reference to showergate - afld's surprise testing of armstrong when he had bruyneel call the uci (while he took a shower) to verify the afld's authority to test him.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Excellent link there PouPou. Great to hear Wadsworth speak up, but when he says "100 percent", why does he focus his criticism mostly on the Russians, when it's such a statistic would include even members of his own team? I mean, even if that number is him rambling, would it not be naive to think that the problem doesn't trickle it's way to US skiers as well, even if they are cleaner? Still, big props for him at least speaking out so boldly, essentially breaking the XC skiing omerta. He's probably right in his speculations.

 

[python]

wadsworth did not break any omerta in xc skiing. he repeated what everyone in xc- skiing knows about the known culprits who comprise the majority of positive tests. he did however whine a fair bit as the the vancouver games showed again - the americans scored marvelously in almost all sports...except the xc and biathlon competition. again...and again.

 

[Anonymous]

if the matter of this testing was urgent, that is, connected in anyway with the ongoing criminal investigation of astana medical waste from the 2009 tour, strictly speaking i dont think the french need any wada permission.

this refers to both the afld and the investigating police unit.

as bruyneel personally clarified with anne gripper on 17 march 2009, uci/wada rules allow afld to test any rider on french soil. armstrong will confirm it. my guess is, the afld is just looking for a blanket authorization from wada to avoid much noise and to remain relevant.and to make a better case for their involvement in testing during the 2010 tour.

Or to clarify any jurisdiction issues now. If Bruyneel seeks to argue jurisdiction when the testers arrive, that creates plenty of time for LA to "have a shower".

 

[johnvarenda]

Thanks for the information.....
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http://www.e-datapro.net/

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

A good reading to understand why you cannot trust UCI or federations:
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/...+country+skiing+coach+says/2519416/story.html

FIS is nothing like the UCI. Saltin and Damsgaard are no-nonsense guys who tell it like it is. They don't sugar coat the truth to protect the image of the sport. For example they hav said that:

- The EPO test just isn't good enough and micro-dosing is very difficult to detect.
- There are ~20 skiers with dodgy blood profiles.
- They can't imagine that skiers wont bring frozen RBC's to the olympics. It's too easy and they have no way of stopping it.
- The IOC carrying out thousands of tests at the olympics is useless and mostly for show. It would be wiser to have more OOC-tests in the months leading up to the olympics.