Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[peloton]

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La Gazzetta dello Sport speculated today that Contador's future, with the economic ties to Specialized, may lie with Etixx.

My guess too, if he doesn't start his own team. Can't see him going back to Astana, esp. if the budget cuts is true.

 

[rhubroma]

Re: Re:

La Gazzetta dello Sport speculated today that Contador's future, with the economic ties to Specialized, may lie with Etixx.

How much support would Contactor receive at Etix. Would seem a strange choice.

Well obviously Etixx would have to bolster their roster to meet the new demands. Nobody willing to pay AC's salary wouldn't also be willing to have the proper supporting units. Otherwise it would be sheer folly.

It struck me as curious too, but we'll see if the Italian daily is right.

 

[Valv.Piti]

He has stated many times that he don't really need climbers and just needs to be protected on the flat parts and Etixx sure as hell can do that and some more, but would be a very, very strange move

 

[LaFlorecita]

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La Gazzetta dello Sport speculated today that Contador's future, with the economic ties to Specialized, may lie with Etixx.

I highly doubt it. I don't think Specialized want to keep him tied to them at all costs. They also didn't renew their contract with his U23 and junior teams.

 

[Gigs_98]

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He is not ruling out 2017 at all, he just says the chances are bigger for 2018 start than 2017 which could mean he thinks there is a 40% chance for 2017 for example, they are going all out right now on finding a main sponsor for next year, I really hope they succeed so they can be in the mix for Contador, Majka and Sagan among others.

Please not Sagan. Finally give this guy the team he deserves and not a team full of climbers completely unable to support him in the classics and for sprints.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Via ammattipyoraily on twitter


#Itzulia, Arrate (ITT)

Contador: 15:32, 20.43 Kph, VAM 1831 m/h, ~6.6 W/kg (est.)
Pinot: 16:33, 19.18 Kph, VAM 1718 m/h, ~6.1 W/kg (est.)

 

[peloton]

Via ammattipyoraily on twitter


#Itzulia, Arrate (ITT)

Contador: 15:32, 20.43 Kph, VAM 1831 m/h, ~6.6 W/kg (est.)
Pinot: 16:33, 19.18 Kph, VAM 1718 m/h, ~6.1 W/kg (est.)

Wow.
That must be pretty close to his best numbers, even from -09.
Vamos

 

[infeXio]

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"Riis was interviewed last week; he said that they lack a title sponsor and thus don't expect the team to be ready for next season, but rather 2018.

http://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2016-04-07-bjarne-riis-om-eget-cykelhold-sandsynligvis-foerst-i-2018"

He is not ruling out 2017 at all, he just says the chances are bigger for 2018 start than 2017 which could mean he thinks there is a 40% chance for 2017 for example, they are going all out right now on finding a main sponsor for next year, I really hope they succeed so they can be in the mix for Contador, Majka and Sagan among others.

I am well aware of what's said in the article, thank you. He doesn't rule it out no, and nowhere in my post does it state that. I'll be more than happy if they actually manage to get a title sponsor in time, but, as he says, they aren't close to having any concrete news in that regard. And as such, despite great efforts to get a title sponsor in place (which naturally has to be achieved within very short time), I still choose to believe that it won't happen already for next season.

 

[Ricco']

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La Gazzetta dello Sport speculated today that Contador's future, with the economic ties to Specialized, may lie with Etixx.

I found out now that the company Etixx is a partner of Fundación Contador (along with Etixx Team, Tinkoff, Topsport Vlaanderen, AWT - GreenWay and GreenEdge).

 

[Rollthedice]

Via ammattipyoraily on twitter


#Itzulia, Arrate (ITT)

Contador: 15:32, 20.43 Kph, VAM 1831 m/h, ~6.6 W/kg (est.)
Pinot: 16:33, 19.18 Kph, VAM 1718 m/h, ~6.1 W/kg (est.)

Somebody tell Froome quick so he can start spinning faster, faster. Le Tour de TNT is to be expected.

 

[Tonton]

Via ammattipyoraily on twitter


#Itzulia, Arrate (ITT)

Contador: 15:32, 20.43 Kph, VAM 1831 m/h, ~6.6 W/kg (est.)
Pinot: 16:33, 19.18 Kph, VAM 1718 m/h, ~6.1 W/kg (est.)

Somebody tell Froome quick so he can start spinning faster, faster. Le Tour de TNT is to be expected.

Yes, we should move this post to The Clinic ...

 

[Valv.Piti]

No one can wait for Arcalis. As crazy at that sounds.....

 

[Taxus4a]

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Spectacular climbing, remember he's being crushing it since 2007, it's now 2016 and he just destroyed guys far younger than him, just immense. If God rides a bike his name is Contador, nobody in the modern era comes close

I was going to write some kind of praise about Contador, he deserves today. but when I read this kind of things, better no... he is already exagerating praised...

In 2013 he did in the Tour a hard ITT at this level, so I dont have much more to say.

Have a nice day.

Cheers.

I am having a nice day. I thought you would make some excuse for Quintana because he lost, wind, heavy socks,
Wheels smelt a bit funny , got distracted halfway up by a squirrel , or thinking " if I was a girl would I date Justin beiber" you now that sort of thing.
You know Taxus that Quintana got his as55 handed to him and you know that in last years tour Quintana was way to good for Froome in the mountains = Bertie wins tour.

[beware Aru]

What is in relation Quintana with my comment?

 

[Taxus4a]

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just to fantasize a bit and thinking about 2013 hilly ITT ... I say no more

Yep. Contador lost only 9 secs to Froome who won the stage meaning Alberto was in a monster form in 2013.

I thought you were watching tv with Froome laughing how his domestique destroys Bertie. Nice to see you found some time to refresh us with some constructive points.

Actually Taxus is gonna analyse why Bertie lost time in the second part of the itt, maybe you can all meet and analyse together. Maybe also Landa's new superclimbing style he showed yesterday and his improved itt today.

I am going to my girlfriend house, so I wont do these days... but it is quite simple, Contador use to go to plus to less in the ITT, as well in his attacks...he was as welll the best time in the first climb in Pekin, but he was fourth at the end. That is not a problem when you have got so many time before, Contador is the best rider maybe on History of cycling for these kind of ITT.

The better new today is that contador is changing his mind about abandon cycling... so I hope to see him next year.

I will take times is you ask me in the next week. For sure Contador didnt take risk, but he was full gas at the end, and he said that in the interview, it wont be difficult to take times with Quintana from the start of the final climb and the finish line, about 4 km.

I just checked. At the end of the descent, Contador was 8-9 seconds up on Quintana. He also took some corners in the final km very easy so that makes another 2-3 seconds and here you go. The final difference was 5 seconds. They rode the flatter parts at basically the same time.

Thanks for the info.

So as I said Contador faded at the end, he was taking a lot of time and at the end he just not take les time, but he even lose some seconds in the final climb and the flat parts. It has been ussually this way when there is a climb at the begining in a TT for Contador. He is the best maybe in History in this kind of ITT, but he always is much stronger at the begining that the end, and in general in all his ITT. Hi better exception is last year Giro ITT, but the climb was in the second half...and he lost a little at the end as well.

I wouldnt be surprised if he is best first intermediate time in both ITT in le Tour, but he wont win anyone.

 

[inri2000]

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"I am well aware of what's said in the article, thank you. He doesn't rule it out no, and nowhere in my post does it state that. I'll be more than happy if they actually manage to get a title sponsor in time, but, as he says, they aren't close to having any concrete news in that regard. And as such, despite great efforts to get a title sponsor in place (which naturally has to be achieved within very short time), I still choose to believe that it won't happen already for next season. [/quote]"

You are free to believe whatever you want, I don't agree with your slant on the article though so I decided to clarify what was actually said for the people who don't speak Danish.

 

[Taxus4a]

Via ammattipyoraily on twitter


#Itzulia, Arrate (ITT)

Contador: 15:32, 20.43 Kph, VAM 1831 m/h, ~6.6 W/kg (est.)
Pinot: 16:33, 19.18 Kph, VAM 1718 m/h, ~6.1 W/kg (est.)

I have a friend, he is just a cycling fan, no a cyclist, and he did 1500 with a 11 Kg bike the previous day.

It is a very good performance, but it is not a surprise at the begining of an ITT for Contador. Iti easier to do high VAM on this kind of lopes than in an average climb as Peyresourde.

Of course he did much better numbers at 2009 although he tried to say that no. He would have done 2000 VAM that year. He did 1 minute less in Arrate than this year, it is about 8 % less.

Contador did in Verbier 1900 for a longer and no so step climb, in a normal stage, no ITT, and he did 5 of those Km alone, so it is a very different situation.

I have my doubts Froome can do that, maybe yes, but I am not sure, but anyway in TdF you have to do very well more things than that to win.

 

[Tonton]

I have a friend, he is just a cycling fan, no a cyclist, and he did 1500 with a 11 Kg bike the previous day.

So funny how people set their priorities. I don't have that stuff, but my bike is much lighter .

 

[jens_attacks]

Contador did arrate at around 7 w/kg
Remember, on such a climb with steep ramps, it's out of this world. You fight gravity too.

2009 level in my humble opinion

 

[Publicus]

Via ammattipyoraily on twitter


#Itzulia, Arrate (ITT)

Contador: 15:32, 20.43 Kph, VAM 1831 m/h, ~6.6 W/kg (est.)
Pinot: 16:33, 19.18 Kph, VAM 1718 m/h, ~6.1 W/kg (est.)

I have a friend, he is just a cycling fan, no a cyclist, and he did 1500 with a 11 Kg bike the previous day.

It is a very good performance, but it is not a surprise at the begining of an ITT for Contador. Iti easier to do high VAM on this kind of lopes than in an average climb as Peyresourde.

Of course he did much better numbers at 2009 although he tried to say that no. He would have done 2000 VAM that year. He did 1 minute less in Arrate than this year, it is about 8 % less.

Contador did in Verbier 1900 for a longer and no so step climb, in a normal stage, no ITT, and he did 5 of those Km alone, so it is a very different situation.

I have my doubts Froome can do that, maybe yes, but I am not sure, but anyway in TdF you have to do very well more things than that to win.

Your friend measures his VAM, but he rides an 11 kg bike???

As for the climb to Arrate in 2009 versus this year, have you bothered to compare the 2009 and 2016 courses? I would presume not, but if you had, you might understand that in 2009 the Arrate stage was the 3rd stage (2849 meters of climbing), versus 2016 when it was the 5th stage (3492 meters of climbing) [I just added up the heights of the climbs listed on the profiles]. So that would mean there was less fatigue in the 2009 stage than the 2016 stage (both because of the fewer meters climbed, and the point in the race when Arrate was climbed), which would account, in part, for the slower climbing speeds in 2016. Add to that he wasn't riding to drop Henao, and I think that accounts for an additional portion of the difference in speeds. I don't know if we can ever know if he's in 2009 form, but I think it is safe to say he's on really good form this year.

 

[jens_attacks]

Wait for fred portoleau's opinion
Think he know a bit more than taxus on these things

Again, it was insane wattage

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Contador did arrate at around 7 w/kg
Remember, on such a climb with steep ramps, it's out of this world. You fight gravity too.

2009 level in my humble opinion

Yes ammattipyoraily says 6.6 is an underestimation because of the false flat at the top.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

La Gazzetta dello Sport speculated today that Contador's future, with the economic ties to Specialized, may lie with Etixx.

I found out now that the company Etixx is a partner of Fundación Contador (along with Etixx Team, Tinkoff, Topsport Vlaanderen, AWT - GreenWay and GreenEdge).

Ah, yeah, interesting. So far, 4 riders from the U23 team moved up to a Continental team, and 3 went to AWT. So there seems to be some sort of link. But I really don't see Alberto going to Etixx.

 

[ray j willings]

I have a friend, he is just a cycling fan, no a cyclist, and he did 1500 with a 11 Kg bike the previous day.

So funny how people set their priorities. I don't have that stuff, but my bike is much lighter .

11kg bike what's the point. No relevance whatsoever .

 

[Miburo]

All these doubts would have been gone if we had the col d'eze ITT. He would have broken that record easily with the form he had that last day.

 

[Jakub]

I have a friend, he is just a cycling fan, no a cyclist, and he did 1500 with a 11 Kg bike the previous day.

So funny how people set their priorities. I don't have that stuff, but my bike is much lighter .

11kg bike what's the point. No relevance whatsoever .

What is thw same friend that is a friend of Landa? Or no, I got it - it was Landa himself, we have all seen it Well I didn't know he uses 11kg bike, that finally makes some excuse for his performace at Pais Vasco.


On topic: would be great if he moved to Etixx and Etixx would buy 2 or 3 mountain domestics too. Finally after all years in stupid russian and kazach teams, he would be in a normal one.