The best strategy is to look for different goals namely Olympics and Vuelta. It is clear now that he cant be competitive this TDF. Be in the gruppetto for a week or so. A week is enough to recover any minor problems with fitness that he currently has. Then go on the attack (which is what the fans want) for stages in the one day manner - all out- with Nibali in alternate stages. This should be good training for Olympics and Vuelta without fatiguing the legs and should salvage some pride for him. But the decision to do so and free his team up has to be done as quickly as possible with cold rational logic and not with the heart for once. anyway he has nothing to prove to anybody. The fans don't like to see him get dropped again and again even on small mountains.
If its true? Look at the video and photos.TuCzech said:
Trash talk? So truth is trash talk?
I see him 400m from the line looking back. How much would they save at this point, if he dropped further back? Not much, but it was apparently his mistake. And I´m not talking out the discussion if he was called back or not, but about the trash that he is not loyal, how Alberto has no team and so on and so on. Look at the past.
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It's not trash talk at least not coming from me. It is a discussion about what transpired. I think it is a valid concern that he says he's riding for Contador and yet his actions show otherwise, at least on stage 5. Maybe he reacted in the moment, looked back, thought that Contador was on his way back to the group and hammered on. If it's job to support his team leader then he failed. He should slowed to give his captain a wheel to follow. He chose not to. He's getting this flack because he deserves it.
Kreuziger should be sitting next wheel to Contador, knowing he could crack anytime.
That's what you do for your leader.
Majka should be sent back the moment he lost any chance to win the stage.
That's what you do for your leader.
Even if your leader fails to deliver, he is your leader and you go down with him.
And we are not talking about any great co-leader in a great form here.
That would be the only excuse imo to be allowed to leave your leader.
Kreuziger has no chance of a Top5 this year, the field is a step above him in terms of GC hopes.
That's what you do for your leader.
Majka should be sent back the moment he lost any chance to win the stage.
That's what you do for your leader.
Even if your leader fails to deliver, he is your leader and you go down with him.
And we are not talking about any great co-leader in a great form here.
That would be the only excuse imo to be allowed to leave your leader.
Kreuziger has no chance of a Top5 this year, the field is a step above him in terms of GC hopes.
The TV coverage was so poor for me, I don't know what happened. Could anyone give a simple overview? I don't understand what RK did wrong. If it was a case of losing +30 seconds in order to possibly give Contador an extra second or two... I just don't see how that makes sense to waste all that time if I am RK's DS and want to have a highly placed GC rider.
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Kreuziger really fuc..d up yesterday, but you are all being a bit harsh on him. It would be hard to find a more loyal domestique before yesterday. Contador was really struggling and Kreuziger wouldnt save much time for him if he waited. There are just too many Alberto fanboys here who cant handle the fact, that he is not going to win this year, so they blame Kreuziger now.
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Simply put his DS told him 4 Times to wait for Alberto. He claims he never heard but photos show him looking back at Alberto dangling off the back. He then turned forward again and forged ahead for his own interests. Then he essentially lied in a tv interview.
This is the guy who thought he was better then Nibali. Nibs has 4 GTs, one of only 6 guys to ever win all 3 plus a monument. Roman always thought to highly of himself.
I understand he is out for a contract but I wouldn't hire him, he cant be trusted when the chips are down.
Meanwhile just heard about an interview with NBCSN guy and Alberto. Alberto says he hasn't given up but needs time to recover and is still suffering
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Simply put his DS told him 4 Times to wait for Alberto. He claims he never heard but photos show him looking back at Alberto dangling off the back. He then turned forward again and forged ahead for his own interests. Then he essentially lied in a tv interview.
This is the guy who thought he was better then Nibali. Nibs has 4 GTs, one of only 6 guys to ever win all 3 plus a monument. Roman always thought to highly of himself.
I understand he is out for a contract but I wouldn't hire him, he cant be trusted when the chips are down.
Meanwhile just heard about an interview with NBCSN guy and Alberto. Alberto says he hasn't given up but needs time to recover and is still suffering
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The world isn't just about aero. If a team mate drops back, even half way, it often gives you a mental carrot. Not only have I seen it in the pro platoon, but I have been part of it from both sides in the hack platoon.CheckMyPecs said:
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Contador was giving it his all mentally, like he always does. His problems are purely physical.jmdirt said:
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There's nothing more disappointing than reading about how Contador's team disarrays, and we are not even finished the first week. I understand about needing a contract. But didn't kreuziger see how he looked like in front of his peloton and TV viewers around the world? It's one thing to want to get good contract, but it's another thing to do it bluntly in front of million people. Maybe he doesn't care, but he will be riding with his peers again in his new team and the same fans will be watching him. Now everyone knows what his integrity looks like. What is he chasing? top 5? Meh. He needs to get over Richie, Bardet, Pinot, Tejay, even his own team mate Contador.
And the fact that Contador is injured, this is just adding a salt on a wound. I guess, now I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crumbling of Tinkoff team. Maybe this circus is more entertaining than keep arguing about Contador should leave the Tour. I feel sorry for Contador. Even his rival (like Sky and even Brailsford) still shows some respect to him. And his team mate? Geezzz... Contador has never had a team that's trully behind him. Their support is always spotty. Looking at sky or movistar, I'm sure he can be jealous on how their domestique support Quintana or Froome.
And the fact that Contador is injured, this is just adding a salt on a wound. I guess, now I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crumbling of Tinkoff team. Maybe this circus is more entertaining than keep arguing about Contador should leave the Tour. I feel sorry for Contador. Even his rival (like Sky and even Brailsford) still shows some respect to him. And his team mate? Geezzz... Contador has never had a team that's trully behind him. Their support is always spotty. Looking at sky or movistar, I'm sure he can be jealous on how their domestique support Quintana or Froome.
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From what he is saying it is the leg not the shoulder that is causing the most trouble. I am sure it is worse than he is making out. GVA was never going to be caught. Movistar were testing Contador as there is no love lost between Contador and Valverde. I am sure that was the only reason Movistar were drilling it and there will probably be more of the same tomorrow. But tomorrow Movistar will be looking to test all of the GC riders. I don't think they will be waiting for the third week this year.
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From what he is saying it is the leg not the shoulder that is causing the most trouble. I am sure it is worse than he is making out. GVA was never going to be caught. Movistar were testing Contador as there is no love lost between Contador and Valverde. I am sure that was the only reason Movistar were drilling it and there will probably be more of the same tomorrow. But tomorrow Movistar will be looking to test all of the GC riders. I don't think they will be waiting for the third week this year.
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Interestingly enough there are now reports that sources close to Alberto confirmed he signed for Trek for 1 year and will take Hernandez, his mechanic Muñoz, his massage therapist and DS Steven de Jongh with him, plus possibly Ivan Basso as well. The reports say Alberto wanted a two-year contract but Trek only offered 1 year.
That's interesting to me because just yesterday there were rumors that his brother had contacted Astana.
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Interestingly enough there are now reports that sources close to Alberto confirmed he signed for Trek for 1 year and will take Hernandez, his mechanic Muñoz, his massage therapist and DS Steven de Jongh with him, plus possibly Ivan Basso as well. The reports say Alberto wanted a two-year contract but Trek only offered 1 year.
That's interesting to me because just yesterday there were rumors that his brother had contacted Astana.
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I would much rather have him go to Astana for one year with Nibali leaving, Vino and Contador got along fine, and he would have a loyal team around him for the TDF
LaFlorecita said:mr. tibbs said:
Interestingly enough there are now reports that sources close to Alberto confirmed he signed for Trek for 1 year and will take Hernandez, his mechanic Muñoz, his massage therapist and DS Steven de Jongh with him, plus possibly Ivan Basso as well. The reports say Alberto wanted a two-year contract but Trek only offered 1 year.
That's interesting to me because just yesterday there were rumors that his brother had contacted Astana.
I would much rather have him go to Astana for one year with Nibali leaving, Vino and Contador got along fine, and he would have a loyal team around him for the TDF
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Carols said:Jelantik said:
According to TJVG this AM 'They all smelled Contador's blood'.
Unfortunately even his own team mate
Reminds me of KImmage commenting on LeMond's sheer inhumane determination and desire to push through pain:
Well I lost a lot of respect for Contador now. He is not on Froome/Quintana level anymore even without injuries. He is living legend, but he is declining and he is injured. He has team which is loyal to him (maybe until now). But now they need to fight for new contracts and they are supposed to sacrifice themself for Contador who has very small chance of success? Sorry, but in my opinion, if he has any honor whatsoever he just step down and let his team mates fight for their future.
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Think about 2011 Tour, when Voeckler was struggling on Galibier, he gave nod to Rolland to ride for himself but according to AC fans, Rolland should have slaved for him to save like 20 seconds on Alpe instead of going for a stage win. AC knows that he's done for GC, yet he still wastes his teammates effort for absolutely no reason.
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Think about 2011 Tour, when Voeckler was struggling on Galibier, he gave nod to Rolland to ride for himself but according to AC fans, Rolland should have slaved for him to save like 20 seconds on Alpe instead of going for a stage win. AC knows that he's done for GC, yet he still wastes his teammates effort for absolutely no reason.
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You'd swear Majka and Kreuziger were unknown unproven quantities. Majka has some astounding results in his back pocket while RK is one of the most consistent and reliable super doms/fringe GC contenders of the last decade.
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You'd swear Majka and Kreuziger were unknown unproven quantities. Majka has some astounding results in his back pocket while RK is one of the most consistent and reliable super doms/fringe GC contenders of the last decade.
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A 1 year deal is good. I can't imagine another year of age, then picture 2 years down the line...the way he rides cannot be sustained at that age. Very different way of riding for Valverde or Horner so lets not compare.
Vino and Contador got on fine? What world was that? They had at best a polite professional relationship. I still blame Vino for everything that happened to AC in the 2010 tour. I felt Bertie was very unsettled in that tour especially with Vino having his own agenda.markene2 said:LaFlorecita said:mr. tibbs said:
Interestingly enough there are now reports that sources close to Alberto confirmed he signed for Trek for 1 year and will take Hernandez, his mechanic Muñoz, his massage therapist and DS Steven de Jongh with him, plus possibly Ivan Basso as well. The reports say Alberto wanted a two-year contract but Trek only offered 1 year.
That's interesting to me because just yesterday there were rumors that his brother had contacted Astana.
I would much rather have him go to Astana for one year with Nibali leaving, Vino and Contador got along fine, and he would have a loyal team around him for the TDF
A 1 year deal is good. I can't imagine another year of age, then picture 2 years down the line...the way he rides cannot be sustained at that age. Very different way of riding for Valverde or Horner so lets not compare.
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What kind of comparison is that?! The greatest GC rider of his generation TV!burning said:
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