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If you thihnk that I don't believe you, that's not the case.ninjadriver said:Once again, "I heard repeated interviews, including with the DS of Tinkoff on The Telegraph Cycling Podcast, that Kreuziger expressly went against team orders, not that he was unaware of team orders."
The DS and another Tinkoff representative stated on the podcast that Kreuziger received the message and went AGAINST team orders. Both men then spoke after the stage that day with Kreuziger to set him straight.
I heard that directly from the DS' mouth. Feel free to download the relevant The Telegraph podcast on which the interview appears.
Kokoso said:If you thihnk that I don't believe you, that's not the case.ninjadriver said:Once again, "I heard repeated interviews, including with the DS of Tinkoff on The Telegraph Cycling Podcast, that Kreuziger expressly went against team orders, not that he was unaware of team orders."
The DS and another Tinkoff representative stated on the podcast that Kreuziger received the message and went AGAINST team orders. Both men then spoke after the stage that day with Kreuziger to set him straight.
I heard that directly from the DS' mouth. Feel free to download the relevant The Telegraph podcast on which the interview appears.
Once again, I heard interview with Kreuziger where he explicitly said he did not hear team orders because radio was not working. I heard that directly from Kreuziger's mouth.
Edit: anyway it is not important so much what is or what is not truth, Contador clearly wasn't in competitive state. For me much more important is, that to call out Kreuziger (agaisnt his word) in this situation made no sense, neither by DS nor by Contador and it was low act. Contador lost my respect. At the end, if Kreuziger really disobeyed, we know now that he was right.
In other words, drowning Contador lacking self-criticism was going to pull Kreuziger down to the depth with him. If Kreuziger disobeyed, he made right choice.
It's possible that Contador was pretty piss** off because of second stage where team went for Sagan and not for him (which was only logical decision) with Kreuziger being one of the main domestiques working for Sagan there.
Tinkoff doesn't appear in writing for burgosTaxus4a said:Red Rick said:So. Any idea or rumors what Vuelta prep is gonna look like? I think this time he actually has time to ride a race.
There is not better prep to la Vuelta than half a Tour and latter Burgos. But just Half a Tour is a really good oe. He will be fresh ad he will finish strong.
Kokoso said:If you thihnk that I don't believe you, that's not the case.ninjadriver said:Once again, "I heard repeated interviews, including with the DS of Tinkoff on The Telegraph Cycling Podcast, that Kreuziger expressly went against team orders, not that he was unaware of team orders."
The DS and another Tinkoff representative stated on the podcast that Kreuziger received the message and went AGAINST team orders. Both men then spoke after the stage that day with Kreuziger to set him straight.
I heard that directly from the DS' mouth. Feel free to download the relevant The Telegraph podcast on which the interview appears.
Once again, I heard interview with Kreuziger where he explicitly said he did not hear team orders because radio was not working. I heard that directly from Kreuziger's mouth.
Edit: anyway it is not important so much what is or what is not truth, Contador clearly wasn't in competitive state. For me much more important is, that to call out Kreuziger (agaisnt his word) in this situation made no sense, neither by DS nor by Contador and it was low act. Contador lost my respect. At the end, if Kreuziger really disobeyed, we know now that he was right.
In other words, drowning Contador lacking self-criticism was going to pull Kreuziger down to the depth with him. If Kreuziger disobeyed, he made right choice.
It's possible that Contador was pretty piss** off because of second stage where team went for Sagan and not for him (which was only logical decision) with Kreuziger being one of the main domestiques working for Sagan there.
Nah, it is not irrelevant. Anyway the photo that appeared here proves that he actually waited for Contador when he saw him.peloton said:It's irrelevant if Contador was competitive on that stage, Roman had one job and that was to help to limit any time loss. I'm still puzzled why he didn't wait, even more as he saw with his own eyes Contador had been gapped.
Anyway it doesn't matter now, hope he has a smooth recovery.
Kokoso said:Nah, it is not irrelevant. Anyway the photo that appeared here proves that he actually waited for Contador when he saw him.peloton said:It's irrelevant if Contador was competitive on that stage, Roman had one job and that was to help to limit any time loss. I'm still puzzled why he didn't wait, even more as he saw with his own eyes Contador had been gapped.
Anyway it doesn't matter now, hope he has a smooth recovery.
Kokoso said:Nah, it is not irrelevant. Anyway the photo that appeared here proves that he actually waited for Contador when he saw him.peloton said:It's irrelevant if Contador was competitive on that stage, Roman had one job and that was to help to limit any time loss. I'm still puzzled why he didn't wait, even more as he saw with his own eyes Contador had been gapped.
Anyway it doesn't matter now, hope he has a smooth recovery.
contador922 said:Doctor suggest Contador stay off the bike for 2 weeks. He will be back on 6-7 days, imo or less. Also I believe he will be in Rio and 100% be at the 2016 Vuelta.
He said this on his twitter page in 2014 “Bad day, the wound healing gets complicated, I’ve no date to take the bike. Goodbye to the Vuelta.”
Matteo. said:Tinkoff doesn't appear in writing for burgosTaxus4a said:Red Rick said:So. Any idea or rumors what Vuelta prep is gonna look like? I think this time he actually has time to ride a race.
There is not better prep to la Vuelta than half a Tour and latter Burgos. But just Half a Tour is a really good oe. He will be fresh ad he will finish strong.
Publicus said:Matteo. said:Tinkoff doesn't appear in writing for burgosTaxus4a said:Red Rick said:So. Any idea or rumors what Vuelta prep is gonna look like? I think this time he actually has time to ride a race.
There is not better prep to la Vuelta than half a Tour and latter Burgos. But just Half a Tour is a really good oe. He will be fresh ad he will finish strong.
And riding 8 stages of a TdF nursing injuries isn't good preparation for anything.
Taxus4a said:Publicus said:Matteo. said:Tinkoff doesn't appear in writing for burgosTaxus4a said:Red Rick said:So. Any idea or rumors what Vuelta prep is gonna look like? I think this time he actually has time to ride a race.
There is not better prep to la Vuelta than half a Tour and latter Burgos. But just Half a Tour is a really good oe. He will be fresh ad he will finish strong.
And riding 8 stages of a TdF nursing injuries isn't good preparation for anything.
He has those km on his legs...broke muscles is not and injury, it is just an injury for pro sportmen, no for normal people.
The prep was done before, half a Tour is good to dont lose the shape but not too much to get tired for la Vuelta
Jelantik said:Well at least you can see top 10 of contador's career win rather than arguing about Kreuziger's incident. (then you can argue back and forth again whether no.1 should 3, or 10 should 7 or this win should be included.. you know the drill.. :lol: :lol
Enjoy.
http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=Top+10+Alberto+Contador+Career+Wins&dashboard=&id=pQDe56eAw0w&yr=2016
Jelantik said:Well at least you can see top 10 of contador's career win rather than arguing about Kreuziger's incident. (then you can argue back and forth again whether no.1 should 3, or 10 should 7 or this win should be included.. you know the drill.. :lol: :lol
Enjoy.
http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=Top+10+Alberto+Contador+Career+Wins&dashboard=&id=pQDe56eAw0w&yr=2016
I think man can look behind without hearing it in earpiece. Don't you agree?fantomas said:Then what about the "I couldn't hear what they said on the radio" defense?
Don get why so much people are bummed that Kreuziger didn't obey self-criticism lacking man who clearly was overestimating himself. When someone jumps down the rock certainly resulting in death, will you do that too because someone told you?peloton said:Contador said it was Roman's choice not to wait.
Kokoso said:I reckon they get along in professional way, but Contador never really liked Kreuziger. I think he has perceived Kreuziger as a threat to him, especially after 2013 Tour..
Man, both you and me really know nothing; I'm speculating, you are speculating.Jakub said:Mate, please stop this speculation.