Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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Zinoviev Letter said:
Well, yes it's secondary, but it's not insignificant. JRod, for instance, might well have won the Vuelta if he had a stronger team when things went nuts. The Tour might have looked very different if Wiggins hadn't had super strong support. Contador has always had to rely on his own strength against riders who have often had stronger teams.There are even fewer opportunities open to those riders if he has the stronger team.
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The big Tour difference is that the peloton can not be so weak and disorganized like in Giro and Vuelta. All the teams are presented with best squads, so there are too many added up interests that don't let anyone go away and gain a lot.

it's false. He could complain about lack of support only in the 2011 Tour. Though, I can not say how hypothetically stronger team could help him considering how the stages unfolded.
 
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airstream said:
The big Tour difference is that the peloton can not be so weak and disorganized like in Giro and Vuelta. All the teams are presented with best squads, so there are too many added up interests that don't let anyone go away and gain a lot.

it's false. He could complain about lack of support only in the 2011 Tour. Though, I can not say how hypothetically stronger team could help him considering how the stages unfolded.
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you ungrateful AC fans :rolleyes:
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
Well, yes it's secondary, but it's not insignificant. JRod, for instance, might well have won the Vuelta if he had a stronger team when things went nuts. The Tour might have looked very different if Wiggins hadn't had super strong support. Contador has always had to rely on his own strength against riders who have often had stronger teams. There are even fewer opportunities open to those riders if he has the stronger team.
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It is odd that Conti has always had relatively mediocre teams. Not bad ones, mind you, but never the strongest. I wonder if he just takes up way too much pesetas in the budget
 
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Christian said:
It is odd that Conti has always had relatively mediocre teams. Not bad ones, mind you, but never the strongest. I wonder if he just takes up way too much pesetas in the budget
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Astana 09?

(team was awesome even if LA and AC did not like each other)
 
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The Hitch said:
SKy have 5 great tters - Wiggins Froome Porte Thomas, EBH
Saxo have 2 - Contador Rogers

Saxo also have Kreuziger who is good but Sky will have Kiriyenka and Knees and maybe someone like Dowsett or Eisel. Saxo meanwhile have to pull Noval Majka Hernandez Roche CAS.

Seems clear to me Sky will destroy saxo in the ttt.
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Sky will beat Saxo, no doubt about that. Due to the length of the course, I wouldn't give them more than 20ish.
But that first itt looks to me like more than a half minute.

All in all somewhere between 40 and 80 seconds should be Froomey's advantage after the first itt, if there's no other losses.
Ax-3 Domaines shouldn't be left out of the equation.
 
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Vino attacks everyone said:
Astana 09?

(team was awesome even if LA and AC did not like each other)
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It was Armstrong's team, not Contador's :p At least that's the impression they gave during that Tour.

But in 2008 Leipheimer was a good domestique, but my cycling knowledge is already lacking for those years :D
 
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It was Armstrong's team, not Contador's :p At least that's the impression they gave during that Tour.

But in 2008 Leipheimer was a good domestique, but my cycling knowledge is already lacking for those years :D
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08 wasn't any tour for him though :p
 
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Seriously. Alberto is a great tter. I believe Froome is a bit better but no way Alberto will lose more than a second per km especially in a 30 km tt which is the perfect length for Alberto.
 
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In my opinion, itt of about 30 km fits Froome as well. Better against stronger time trialists than weaker, and he'd probably have better chance against Contador on a longer distance, but flat and possibly windy 30 should be long enough.
The second itt to Chorges is similar to this year's Vuelta itt, so there should be tight.
Mountains will decide, no question.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Seriously. Alberto is a great tter. I believe Froome is a bit better but no way Alberto will lose more than a second per km especially in a 30 km tt which is the perfect length for Alberto.
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Contador could beat Froome easily. Or he could suck balls and underperform severely like he did in 2010 - dauphine and Tour. Or he could be meh like he was in Eneco and Vuelta this year and do well but not good enough to beat a TDF robo Froome.

Bare in mind that he sucked bad in the worlds, a worlds which suited him and for which he was seen as a favorite, so as I said it could go either way.
 
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Contador could beat Froome easily. Or he could suck balls and underperform severely like he did in 2010 - dauphine and Tour. Or he could be meh like he was in Eneco and Vuelta this year and do well but not good enough to beat a TDF robo Froome.

Bare in mind that he sucked bad in the worlds, a worlds which suited him and for which he was seen as a favorite, so as I said it could go either way.
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hitch you are what we call in mexico as an "ave de mal aguero"
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Well if Alberto indeed loses more than 30 seconds he might as well pack his bags and go home.
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Imagine Hernandez - CAS - Roche - Rogers and finally Kreuziger giving him a rocket leadout from the bottom of the last climb every single mtf stage. He will win as long as he can climb at his giro 11/tour 09 level
 
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Imagine Hernandez - CAS - Roche - Rogers and finally Kreuziger giving him a rocket leadout from the bottom of the last climb every single mtf stage. He will win as long as he can climb at his giro 11/tour 09 level
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I don't think he can ;)
 
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Nah.

Froome will be in much better shape. Without saying anything. Andy rode his last GT in 2011, he will not be at his best anyway.

2nd. Froome will destroy him in the TT's. 3rd, he's as good climber as him I'd say.
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Yeah Froome will destroy him in the TT's. Don't agree that Froome is as good climber as AS.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
I do believe he will win ;) But he hasn't shown he can ride away from the best since 2009
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He could climb as well as Andy in 10, where everyone says (even himself) that he was not in top shape. Still he followed Andy in the high mountians.

In 2011 heclimbed just as good in some stages and better in some than Rujano (who is the worlds super duper mega best climber in the world)
 
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