Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Pentacycle]

So Alpe d'Huez is almost a short climb?

Alpe d'Huez is no long climb, compared to Galibier f/e. I wasn't calling Manse or Alpe hills, why the nitpicking?

 

[Publicus]

Firstly, it would be very kind of you if you stop louting. Drivel you've posted here for last 2 years might become a subject of separate thread, however people handle you peacefully.

He said that only about San Luis and explained that with the late start of pre- season training preparation. Before TA and PV he was saying he was ready to win.

It seems inner ring disagrees with you and others on AC's approach this year:

http://inrng.com/2013/03/tirreno-adriatico-preview/

*Unlike the last couple of years, Contador is now very focused on not peaking before the Tour. He started out a couple of kilos heavier that normally and that was probably why he couldn’t shake the peloton as he normally does in Tour of Oman. I think Contador will be a lot better already and I would be surprised not to see him on the final podium.

 

[airstream]

Are you surprised?GT is tottaly different to other races,its about recovery and mental strenght too.

No. I'm not surprised that Froome is #1 favorite. If he had recovery problems and absence of great perfomances in GTs, I would agree with you but... You kind of oppose 5 (7) Contador titles and Froome's zero and make your conclusion based on that.

I agree Contador will very likely win the Tour by means of big experience if they will approximately equal, but if he's worse, no experience will save him from Froome' beast power.

IMO you confuse visual impression and power a bit. Yes, Froome appears to be not very attractive on the bike and dances not very often, unlike Contador, Schleck or Rasmussen, but when this guy pedals 39x20 with a rabid frequency (65-70 turnovers/min), it's just crazy. And Froome can drop anyone even in the saddle since he supplies himself with energy in an absolutely outstanding way.

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://translate.google.nl/translat...2/tour_francia/1371855829_182995.html&act=url

http://ciclismo.as.com/ciclismo/2013/06/22/tour_francia/1371855829_182995.html

 

[ILovecycling]

No. I'm not surprised that Froome is #1 favorite. If he had recovery problems and absence of great perfomances in GTs, I would agree with you but... You kind of oppose 5 (7) Contador titles and Froome's zero and make your conclusion based on that.

1st bolded: We will see his real recovery in this Tour coz of multiple Contador attacks.Dont be so sure.
2nd bolded: Of course I do.I think Froome is a bit worried of this.I think he is confident coz of his legs but he doesnt know exactly if Contador will attack on one single stage or every hilly stage,rainy stage,downhill or uphill.He is very unpredictable and thats not good for team Sky.Froome knows he(Contador) can win with zero form,top form,with good team or without good team.

 

[Publicus]

http://translate.google.nl/translat...2/tour_francia/1371855829_182995.html&act=url

http://ciclismo.as.com/ciclismo/2013/06/22/tour_francia/1371855829_182995.html

Thanks. I think it was a good read (can never be sure with google translate)

 

[ILovecycling]

I agree Contador will very likely win the Tour by means of big experience if they will approximately equal, but if he's worse, no experience will save him from Froome' beast power.

IMO you confuse visual impression and power a bit. Yes, Froome appears to be not very attractive on the bike and dances not very often, unlike Contador, Schleck or Rasmussen, but when this guy pedals 39x20 with a rabid frequency (65-70 turnovers/min), it's just crazy. And Froome can drop anyone even in the saddle since he supplies himself with energy in an absolutely outstanding way.

1.Gap,Telegraphe,Fuente de...its not all about power...
2.hahah,fairy tail not reality

 

[Taxus4a]

Yes, and then he said he should've built a solid base before racing hard. So read his statements please, and don't just go about posting rubbish

But in my experience, and my opinion worths the same than yours, Contador changes his statements depends his convenience. He has been always the man of the excuses.

He did always the same through his career, it always worked. He told even of ride the Giro, so for that reason he wanted to ride easy.

He did not a solid base. why?? he never has had quiet winters, problems with team, with doping issues,...

It is true last year he finished his year later, in Lombardia, anyway he finished in September.. time to rest and start a solid base.

http://www.hoysport.com/noticias/ciclismoastana_contador_aun_subido_puertos_200902021400.html
If you can translate this, he said he was in California i winter, he didnt train a lot (yes, he did some base), that he was not ready to win in Algarve.. and he won.

Another, a year ago in San Luis

http://avanzamosciclismo.com/index....l-ciclismoq-&catid=41:profesionales&Itemid=66

Alberto contador nos contaba en el podium: “mejor de lo esperado, porque tenía mis dudas, ya que llevaba muchos meses sin montar en bici, después del Tour de Francia. Empecé a entrenarme tras el training camp de Israel, en la segunda quincena de diciembre, pero a pesar de todo hemos hecho un buen trabajo y hemos conseguido una victoria bastante inesperada para mí”.

This means something as:

Contador told as in the podium: better as sxpected, I had my doubts, I was lot of months without ride a bike after Tour de France, I started training after training camo in Israel, middle december but despite that we did a good job and we got an quite unespected victory for me.

So, he consider no problem to be almost five months without a bike and start training at second half of december...

He always told about to win Tirreno, he always peak in the spring, Contador like to win always.

If he was tired after 2012 as he say, and he didnt rest enough, why think about to ride Giro and Tour, and why start in January.. so much pression are with him to force him to start a non very important race? I understand Liege, but if San Luis was a problem, dont ride.

The only motive I say I am spanish is becouse maybe I can read here more things about him, I know some of the journalist that write about him, I understand that kind of TV programs he was, and maybe I could have more information, but anyway in Spain a lot of people think like you.

I give here my personal point of view, subjetive, as you do, but with objetives facts.

And airstrem yesterday was masterful about what he said in this post:

Oh my Goodness. Some fans trolled other riders' fan for years (they didn't think what the rest riders' fans feel about that etal), savored how Contador would smash everyone, bragged how everyone has no chance, but now they whine when someone reminds em about reality. Pathetic. Your attitude just reaches you. No offense.

If I dont writte a lot in this thread will be my own decision, with no pressure and considering the attitude of some people in other threads.

 

[ILovecycling]

http://translate.google.nl/translat...2/tour_francia/1371855829_182995.html&act=url

http://ciclismo.as.com/ciclismo/2013/06/22/tour_francia/1371855829_182995.html

Thanks Flo


@Taxus4a
give it a rest

 

[airstream]

1.Gap,Telegraphe,Fuente de...its not all about power...
2.hahah,fairy tail not reality

What he gained at Gap and Telegraphe? Nothing.

OK, you don't even want to deal with thought that Froome can be stronger than Contador under any pretext. Let's stop debates. At least I'm glad you discuss the things politely.

 

[airstream]

It seems inner ring disagrees with you and others on AC's approach this year:

http://inrng.com/2013/03/tirreno-adriatico-preview/

This press release brings nothing new compared to any other ones, but alone phrase 'unlike previous years'.

Any elite GC rider never tries to peak for March or April, because it's not in their plans. They go there to check themselves and compare their form with form of other big guns. A WT 1 week race victory is not a consequence of absolute peak; that's just an yardstick of current preparedness in comparison to others. Or anyone seriously thinks Nibali and Froome intentionally peaked at TA to beat Contador?

 

[nick101]

froome was at a very high level, if not already peaking at TA. he's been at that high level or peaking as I say since march? froome did intend to peak at that point (or win TA), beating contador was just a consequence of peaking

 

[ILovecycling]

What he gained at Gap and Telegraphe? Nothing.

OK, you don't even want to deal with thought that Froome can be stronger than Contador under any pretext. Let's stop debates. At least I'm glad you discuss the things politely.

Nothing,I just wanted to pointed out that its not all about power but also about experience and tactics and Contador can do some of these attacks even if he is worse than Froome and he can gain something.

You are wrong.I THINK that Froome will be a bit stronger (mountains equal,TT better),but still I think Contador will win coz of series of attacks,madness of one moment or surprise attack.

edit:And please can you answer on the avatar bet challange...

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Might it be possible for you to react to airstream without quoting him all the time? I and probably many others have him on ignore and people quoting him kinda defeats the purpose.

Let's stop replying to airstream.

And Taxus4a sounds like a butthurt ex-fanboy

 

[airstream]

Contador can do some of these attacks even if he is worse than Froome and he can gain something.

How?

I THINK that Froome will be a bit stronger (mountains equal,TT better),but still I think Contador will win coz of series of attacks,madness of one moment or surprise attack.

Lots attacks vs Sky is wittingly losing tactics.

 

[veganrob]

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Let's stop replying to airstream.

And Taxus4a sounds like a butthurt ex-fanboy

I think they are the same person

 

[Netserk]

I think they are the same person

They are not.

 

[ILovecycling]

How?


Lots attacks vs Sky is wittingly losing tactics.

How?Ride faster than Froome....I mean Sky is really really great team but everybody does mistakes ,some sort of Galibier attack can be successful.I know you dont think so but thats your point of view.

As for multiple attacks I have opposite opinion.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

They are not.

Let it be known that may new fav poster Taxus is a man of on his own, he is not anyone . I can verify that.

 

[airstream]

Florecita and a few others, stop defaming me and Taxus4a is the other forum members' eyes. Don't want to talk to us? Perfect! We have many many other forum guys.

 

[Siriuscat]

You don't need our help to bring you down Airstream, you're managing well enough on you're own

 

[Taxus4a]

This



Let's stop replying to airstream.

And Taxus4a sounds like a butthurt ex-fanboy

When arguments finish, some people seem to be focus more in the member than in the argument. Focus in the argument, please, I keep my opinion of you for myself.

 

[Taxus4a]

Thanks Flo


@Taxus4a
give it a rest

If you say the same la Florecilla 15 post average a day, I could considerate you are serious.

And for me it is ok 15 or 30, I dont mind, I was in a forum that I was 13 with all the subforums along 4 years. I dont have that intention now, sometimes people force you to answer a lot, but I dont want to write a lot.

Be serious, and that way I will consider you seriously. To ask me for a rest and not La Florecilla is no serious, it is a bad joke.

 

[ILovecycling]

If you say the same la Florecilla 15 post average a day, I could considerate you are serious.

And for me it is ok 15 or 30, I dont mind, I was in a forum that I was 13 with all the subforums along 4 years. I dont have that intention now, sometimes people force you to answer a lot, but I dont want to write a lot.

Be serious, and that way I will consider you seriously. To ask me for a rest and not La Florecilla is no serious, it is a bad joke.

I dont need it coz its not important for me what do you think about me and my behaviour.

 

[Carols]

So is the, supremely confident in his man Froome, airstream (aka pollution) taking the avatar bet??? Hard to tell with the multiple people I now have on ignore that post on this thread