Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[ILovecycling]

Don't worry, the Tour won't be decided on this climb Nibali still has a big advantage and there's no way Contador will take back even half of it

Im not so sure

 

[LaFlorecita]

Im not so sure

Lolzzzz I promise I will take a Bertie avatar forever if he does

 

[ILovecycling]

Lolzzzz I promise I will take a Bertie avatar forever if he does

thats pretty obvious you will either way,isnt it?

 

[pink_jersey]

I don't what to think at what would have happened if Kreuziger was there.To me,Contador looks really strong and can kill everyone on mountains.Also,I don't think he tried too much yesterday.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I don't what to think at what would have happened if Kreuziger was there.To me,Contador looks really strong and can kill everyone on mountains.Also,I don't think he tried too much yesterday.

I don't think so either, you could tell by his cadence and facial expression that he wasn't pushing it hard, he looked very fresh when he crossed the line too.

 

[thehook]

I saw somewhere on Twitter today that AC & Nibbs were doing 7wkg on stage 8 on the short finishing climb. Go back and re-watch the video. 1km to go Nibbs breathing deep. AC mouth closed. And that was not even a real attack! He did 1k at 7wkg now throw in a attack and say 4k to go?

Holy cow Batman! We should see fireworks tomorrow!

 

[LaFlorecita]

I saw somewhere on Twitter today that AC & Nibbs were doing 7wkg on stage 8 on the short finishing climb. Go back and re-watch the video. 1km to go Nibbs breathing deep. AC mouth closed. And that was not even a real attack! He did 1k at 7wkg now throw in a attack and say 4k to go?

Holy cow Batman! We should see fireworks tomorrow!

Yeah, VAM of 2223 m/h (calculated by ammattipyoraily on twitter) at 10.3% is 7.3 W/kg . But it was a very short effort, can't read too much into it.

 

[Jelantik]

Don't worry, the Tour won't be decided on this climb Nibali still has a big advantage and there's no way Contador will take back even half of it

I'm nervous for tomorrow. Few years back, this is not going to be an issue for anyone here. Everyone here, would be so sure that Contador will decimate the field. I guess maybe because he was mediocre last year, even as confidence as we are with Contador's season, in the back of our mind, there's this nudging feeling, that Nibali will be tough to unseat. If it was 2011 Giro, no way Nibali can handle Contador, and it will be a sure thing that Contador will take back time. But that was long time ago. And Contador's interview didn't really say much either. I hope he is playing mind games, by saying that.

puff, Monday will be the telling. I will be waking up as early as possible to catch the livestream right when they start broadcasting.

 

[Taxus4a]

I bet for a Rogers as strong as 2 years ago in SKY (maybe a little less, becouse the age), and latter Roche and Majka doing a short but hard performance, latter attack of Contador 3 kms before the end, and he will put 20 seconds on Nibali and Valverde. Less with Valverde if is a sunny day. Porte will do it well, similar to Nibali and Valverde.

 

[ILovecycling]

I bet for a Rogers as strong as 2 years ago in SKY (maybe a little less, becouse the age), and latter Roche and Majka doing a short but hard performance, latter attack of Contador 3 kms before the end, and he will put 20 seconds on Nibali and Valverde. Less with Valverde if is a sunny day. Porte will do it well, similar to Nibali and Valverde.

Yeah,imo best tactics for saxo is a short but hard pace from top domestiques,actually something like simulation of AC attack for 3km from his domestiques (probably rogers,roche,majka) and then Alberto attack.This should be the best to break Nibali

 

[inthepink]

The last climb is quite narrow and so Tinkoff Saxo need to hit the bottom of the climb in front...like yesterday and then do the short hard stint ...which should leave about 10 riders ...Contador will need to attack from there

The thing is I am sure Bjarne has it all figured out and has the team set up in the best order possible with precise instr unctions about what to do

Seemingly Brailsford questioning Contadors domestiques ...saying he is surprised Roche & Rodgers are last men esp as Rodgers was only 4th wheel in 2012 but 2nd at TCS yesterday ..Guess its his way of saying team not as good as SKY...

 

[Pricey_sky]

Seemingly Brailsford questioning Contadors domestiques ...saying he is surprised Roche & Rodgers are last men esp as Rodgers was only 4th wheel in 2012 but 2nd at TCS yesterday ..Guess its his way of saying team not as good as SKY...

I think he's just stating the obvious, look who Rogers had in front of him before Wiggins, Porte and Froome. Both would obviously be considered a better climber than Rogers.

 

[Netserk]

Tbf the original plan was Rogers-Roche-Kreuziger-Contador, which is stronger than Rogers-Porte-Froome-Wiggins.

Also since Wiggins practically didn't hit the front, it was more like Rogers-Porte-Froome, so not so different to (Majka)-Rogers-Roche-Contador.

 

[murali]

nothing to read from the brailsfraud comment. its just sour grapes for him.


Whenver Rogers had to pull for a much larger distance, he had dropped off from the selection long before.

Also, Rogers in Sky was never second in line. Saxo is giving him the chance, and he is utilizing it.

 

[Taxus4a]

Tbf the original plan was Rogers-Roche-Kreuziger-Contador, which is stronger than Rogers-Porte-Froome-Wiggins.

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[Pricey_sky]

Tbf the original plan was Rogers-Roche-Kreuziger-Contador, which is stronger than Rogers-Porte-Froome-Wiggins.

Roche and Kreuziger stronger than Porte and Froome?!

 

[Miburo]

Roche and Kreuziger stronger than Porte and Froome?!

Yea Froome for example is stronger than both of them together.

 

[Netserk]

Roche and Kreuziger stronger than Porte and Froome?!

:facepalm:

Froome=Contador

Roche+Kreuziger > Porte+Wiggo

 

[inthepink]

Contador better than Froome
Kruz better than Porte
Rogers = Rogers

So that just leave Nico & Wiggins

The thing is seriously ...Contador does not need a train up a mountian as many commmentators moan about when no one is with him at end of climb
His Doms are there to push rivals to the limit so Contador can attack
He does not need a train to set pace for him up a mountain

 

[indianfanboy]

Tailwind in the last climb...perfect for attacks

 

[Taxus4a]

:facepalm:

Froome=Contador

Roche+Kreuziger > Porte+Wiggo

IMO: Froome better than Contador, before the crash in Dauohine Contador just suck the whell of Froome, even in the sprint.
Porte, better than Kreuziger. Kreuziger did a grand TdF last year, but Porte has better performances.
Wiggo better than Roche...Wiggo drop Nibali in some climbs the Tour he won...
Rogers it is not better than Rogers.


I think anyway that when Saxo in on top form, is similar for a climb like that, no better, but similar...and with Majka for kreuziger could be similar, (Majka is saving energy for these moments, and he is really strong on the climbs... yes, he has rode the Giro, Rolland as well)

But all the Saxo together is not going to improve the big performance of Contador five kms alone in Verbier, that is for sure...despite the tailwind that Contador face in Verbier as well...

 

[Netserk]

I hope you have read and understood enough of the context to realize that I'm talking about 2012 Rogers-Porte-Froome-Wiggins vs. 2014 Rogers-Roche-Kreuziger-Contador.

 

[Taxus4a]

I hope you have read and understood enough of the context to realize that I'm talking about 2012 Rogers-Porte-Froome-Wiggins vs. 2014 Rogers-Roche-Kreuziger-Contador.

I have read in some forums that what Rogers-Porte-Froome-Wiggins did that day was incredible, so, I am glad to read another thing.

 

[murali]

I dont understand the Froome talk at all.

He is out of the race.

Sky has lost one dom.

Porte is not Froome.

Porte is in contention because of the strong team tht Sky has.


If Pore is isolated, he will struggle to hang on with Nibbles in longer climbs.

let us wait for today's stage to begin before speculating who has the best team. the best team will be making the race today.

 

[movingtarget]

I bet for a Rogers as strong as 2 years ago in SKY (maybe a little less, becouse the age), and latter Roche and Majka doing a short but hard performance, latter attack of Contador 3 kms before the end, and he will put 20 seconds on Nibali and Valverde. Less with Valverde if is a sunny day. Porte will do it well, similar to Nibali and Valverde.

Well considering what Rogers did in the Giro after not racing for a long time I don't think there is any problems for him at the moment. A few stages ago he was riding away from his team without realizing it. Rogers is one of the best domestiques currently racing and has been that way since he gave up his own GC ambitions. He was very good at Sky and is no worse now. Contador always gives him high praise as did Wiggins. I think Majka will tire eventually after battling for GC at the Giro, Roche looks pretty good at the moment. Compared to Astana, Saxo look strong.