Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[LaFlorecita]

Lower than Wiggins? I can agree with the rest, but his 2012 win wasn't that impressive. Your argument will probably be the fact that he beat the reigning champ, but the route was tailor made for him to win and Contador and the Schlecks, the biggest stars weren't able to compete. He also had by far the strongest team.

I'm quite confident they would not have beaten him anyway, but you're right. He did beat some strong riders though, way stronger riders than Pinot and Peraud.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Big lead, had the yellow jersey after all but two stages and won 4 stages. More dominant than any of Lance's wins or those since him.

Who the heck is arguing he wasn't most dominant? I just said I don't rate his win highly because of the competition. If you'd put me in a race against 80-year olds I'd win by a mile too. That doesn't mean I'm a great bike rider. (using a hyperbole here obviously )

 

[staubsauger]

I'm quite confident they would not have beaten him anyway, but you're right. He did beat some strong riders though, way stronger riders than Pinot and Peraud.

But they probably would've made Froome win instead.

 

[LaFlorecita]

But they probably would've made Froome win instead.

Perhaps, perhaps not. We'll never know

 

[The Hitch]

Lower than Wiggins? I can agree with the rest, but his 2012 win wasn't that impressive. Your argument will probably be the fact that he beat the reigning champ, but the route was tailor made for him to win and Contador and the Schlecks, the biggest stars weren't able to compete. He also had by far the strongest team.

Nibali isn't a big star now? He was there, he peaked for the Tour and he got absolutely thrashed by Wiggins.

 

[Dr. Juice]

I'm quite confident they would not have beaten him anyway, but you're right. He did beat some strong riders though, way stronger riders than Pinot and Peraud.

With the TT's I think it would have been difficult to beat Wiggins but not impossible. I believe 2012 Purito and 2012 Contador ( Vuelta) would have been superior to 2012 Wiggins and 2012 Nibali in the mountains.

 

[BlurryVII]

When was this pic taken? He looks pretty lean, usually he looks much more chubby at this point

 

[Netserk]

Prepare yourself to see Alberto below 60kg in July next year

 

[LaFlorecita]

When was this pic taken? He looks pretty lean, usually he looks much more chubby at this point

He needs to be lean to reach the summit of Kilimanjaro

Prepare yourself to see Alberto below 60kg in July next year

Lol

 

[Gloin22]

When was this pic taken? He looks pretty lean, usually he looks much more chubby at this point

Wait till December

This is still October.

 

[May0maniac]

Nibali isn't a big star now? He was there, he peaked for the Tour and he got absolutely thrashed by Wiggins.

Now, but in 2012 the Schlecks and Contador were way bigger names.

 

[May0maniac]

I'm quite confident they would not have beaten him anyway, but you're right. He did beat some strong riders though, way stronger riders than Pinot and Peraud.

Wow, you admitting that Contador wouldn't have beaten Wiggins, that really shows how unbalanced and crappy that route was.

 

[ILovecycling]

Congrats Alberto, good news

 

[damian13ster]

Wow, you admitting that Contador wouldn't have beaten Wiggins, that really shows how unbalanced and crappy that route was.

Or it shows just how balanced the route was since a rider who is good at just one thing would be beaten by a rider who is much better at everything but that one thing (climbing)? Also, Froome could arguably win that race if he was let go off the leash so still a great climber + very good TTer (not a specialist) could still win.

Doesn`t that indicate that the route in 2012 was perfectly balanced even if not necessarily entertaining?

If you are looking for crappy and imbalanced route, look no further than 2015. You already know that it will be a race purely for climbers and even if top climbers were to ride ITTs on tricycles they would still beat Wiggins-type rider.

 

[LaFlorecita]

2012 was just as crappy and unbalanced as the 2015 route, just in a different way.

 

[TANK91]

What an idiot he is, i like thought of Froome vs Contador in the Giro but i would like one to teach Nibali some manners. Hopefully one decides to do TDF, Vuelta. No one is winning the double next year and i would hate Nibali winning a 2nd TDF Trust me Nibali will not win the TDF. You really think he wins the jackpot again? Everything aligned for him this year, people forget Nibali got dropped on a 1.8km hill, they say oh he lost 2 seconds. How many times as Nibali looked in distress when Contador is dancing up the road? Froome the only climber who troubled Contador all season really in the Dauphinee, he should do the TDF.

 

[TANK91]

he won 2013 becoz the opposition wasnt good enough and his team was among the strongest. also, remember that movistar and katusha were doing lots of work where they shouldnt hav been doing. an AC, who peaked too early, made things easy for them. the dawg wudnt hav won the tour if nairo was the designated leader of movistar. what i mean to say is that a lot of factors aligned perfectly for Froome to take tht win; similar to wiggins.

Dumbest post i ever read. Froome dominated every race of the season even in Tirreno where Nibali won. Froome was the strongest in every stage race lol. Quintana lol?, haha now that is funny...

 

[Netserk]

2011 Contador would've beaten Wiggins in 2012. Vuelta comeback Contador obviously wouldn't. It sure lacked a proper mountain stage more, but the route was still far more balanced than next year.

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

2012 the route wasn't as bad, unbalanced as it's made out to be. The "problem" was: 1: Sky very strong. Not only Froome, but starting with Knees, then EBH, then Porte+Rogers too. 2: Wiggins too strong in the mountains. The expectation really was: Wiggins wins time in the TT, then loses to the climbers in the mountains... which didn't happen. He was the second best there too in the end. With Wiggins and Sky THAT strong, almost any parcours would have resulted in what it turned out to be, a pretty boring TdF.

 

[Pricey_sky]

2012 was just as crappy and unbalanced as the 2015 route, just in a different way.

Agree with this, 2012 lacked (at least one) brutal mountain stage and 2015 lacks a long iTT.

 

[Walkman]

2011 Contador would've beaten Wiggins in 2012.

Not so sure about that. The SKY team was ridiculously strong that year and Wiggins probably takes 3-4 minutes in the time trials. And in the case that Wiggins looses to much, Froome takes over and wins anyway.

 

[Dr. Juice]

2012 the route wasn't as bad, unbalanced as it's made out to be. The "problem" was: 1: Sky very strong. Not only Froome, but starting with Knees, then EBH, then Porte+Rogers too. 2: Wiggins too strong in the mountains. The expectation really was: Wiggins wins time in the TT, then loses to the climbers in the mountains... which didn't happen. He was the second best there too in the end. With Wiggins and Sky THAT strong, almost any parcours would have resulted in what it turned out to be, a pretty boring TdF.

Once in 5 years a route with ~ 100 km ITT is fine as long as it's compensated by hard mountain stages with good combinations. The mountains were rather average that year.
TdF doesn't nail it in the past years. 2015 is just as bad. TT wise the last not unbalanced route was probably 2008.

 

[Walkman]

Once in 5 years a route with ~ 100 km ITT is fine as long as it's compensated by hard mountain stages with good combinations. The mountains were rather average that year.
TdF doesn't nail it in the past years. 2015 is just as bad. TT wise the last not unbalanced route was probably 2008.

Once in every five years?!

Are you crazy? The Tour should have a decent amount of time trial every year. Maybe not 100 km on annual basis but way more often than once in every five years. Just look at the 2003 and 2007 Tours. They were both epic!

 

[PirazziAttacksVino]

Dumbest post i ever read. Froome dominated every race of the season even in Tirreno where Nibali won. Froome was the strongest in every stage race lol. Quintana lol?, haha now that is funny...

Saying that Froome was the strongest in Tirreno is bull****. Nibali won the race because he was better.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Saying that Froome was the strongest in Tirreno is bull****. Nibali won the race because he was better.

Froome was the strongest.