Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Valv.Piti]

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This guy is gonna call me out for considering people delusional everytime I disagree with someone lol, even if what I say is just common sense. Not my fault if some people post absolute nonsense on this board.

Your rhetoric is probably the most aggressive among the Contador-fans, that I will give dacooley.

 

[Metabolol]

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Contador didn't have a team. To be honest, I can't remember 5 races where he had a team.
He has always been far superior to everyone else, so it was pointless for him to have a team, but since Froome's appearance Contador's superiority isn't as much notorious (if he is, which is debatable) as before. More importantly, Sky's way of racing have changed cycling into a kinda dull sport. Much like Formula 1 became in the last decade.

Yes, it's bad. But of course, they need a super strong rider to finish off the races (Froome). But that is one reason Vuelta and the Giro have been more interesting lately.

They need to weaken the teams in various ways.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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This guy is gonna call me out for considering people delusional everytime I disagree with someone lol, even if what I say is just common sense. Not my fault if some people post absolute nonsense on this board.

Your rhetoric is probably the most aggressive among the Contador-fans, that I will give dacooley.

Did you forget about Miburo?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Valverde disagrees.

Dude

 

[Valv.Piti]

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This guy is gonna call me out for considering people delusional everytime I disagree with someone lol, even if what I say is just common sense. Not my fault if some people post absolute nonsense on this board.

Your rhetoric is probably the most aggressive among the Contador-fans, that I will give dacooley.

Did you forget about Miburo?

No, its different from Miburo. You get the sense that Miburo is just *** around, while Blurry offends anyone who doesn't agree with him..

Dude what? Its my opinion and I don't think its far fetched at all considering Valverde's palmares.

 

[ILovecycling]

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There is a middle ground you know..
A ground where one could maybe reject most of what is said on this thread and still think Contador is the best cyclist

Contador has been the best cyclist of the last decade, sure.

But, for example, giving him credit for the Fuente Dé strategy, which was clearly Bjarne's brainchild, is rubbish. Sure, Contador pulled off an impressive ride, but the idea itself was 100% Riis and the Dane should take full credit for it.

Absolute nonsense.

Absolute absolute nonsense

 

[ILovecycling]

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This guy is gonna call me out for considering people delusional everytime I disagree with someone lol, even if what I say is just common sense. Not my fault if some people post absolute nonsense on this board.

Your rhetoric is probably the most aggressive among the Contador-fans, that I will give dacooley.

Did you forget about Miburo?

I dont think that Miburo is a classic AC fan tho

 

[jilbiker]

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What makes Contador so feared and admired in the peloton is no one knows what he is going to do...He could attack on the last climb , the first climb, on the downhill, on the flat

Even if he had a team most would not be able to stay with him as he doesn't ride to script
I sometimes think a team for him is just a social thing.... just some guys he goes for coffee with when he is training

Totally agree. Bertie is a feeling/instinctive kind of rider, so are all brilliant sportsmen whether in golf, cricket, soccer, squash or whatever. A team is a nice to have, but I don't think they are really part of his intuitive planning. Pantani was not much of a team person either, he either crushed the opposition on his own or forget about it. Perhaps this lacking quality in Froome makes people unable to classify him in the "great" or "outstandng" class. Its still a question if Froome would be half the success without the Sky train.

 

[Carols]

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There is a middle ground you know..
A ground where one could maybe reject most of what is said on this thread and still think Contador is the best cyclist

Contador has been the best cyclist of the last decade, sure.

Valverde disagrees.

Tell him to get back to us when he has 9 GTS . Bala is a grand all-rounder but won't be remembered or have the legacy that Alberto does, IMO of course.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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There is a middle ground you know..
A ground where one could maybe reject most of what is said on this thread and still think Contador is the best cyclist

Contador has been the best cyclist of the last decade, sure.

Valverde disagrees.

Tell him to get back to us when he has 9 GTS . Bala is a grand all-rounder but won't be remembered or have the legacy that Alberto does, IMO of course.

Among July-watchers that may be the case. However, among real lovers of the sport Piti, Fabian and Tomeke will have a legacy on par with Alberto.

 

[Carols]

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There is a middle ground you know..
A ground where one could maybe reject most of what is said on this thread and still think Contador is the best cyclist

Contador has been the best cyclist of the last decade, sure.

Valverde disagrees.

Tell him to get back to us when he has 9 GTS . Bala is a grand all-rounder but won't be remembered or have the legacy that Alberto does, IMO of course.

Among July-watchers that may be the case. However, among real lovers of the sport Piti, Fabian and Tomeke will have a legacy on par with Alberto.

I disagree but then I have the advantage of being aged and going as far back as Anquetil. I've seen a lot of cycling history.......

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I disagree but then I have the advantage of being aged and going as far back as Anquetil. I've seen a lot of cycling history.......

Yes, listen to Carol

 

[ray j willings]

Totally agree. Bertie is a feeling/instinctive kind of rider, so are all brilliant sportsmen whether in golf, cricket, soccer, squash or whatever. A team is a nice to have, but I don't think they are really part of his intuitive planning. Pantani was not much of a team person either, he either crushed the opposition on his own or forget about it. Perhaps this lacking quality in Froome makes people unable to classify him in the "great" or "outstandng" class. Its still a question if Froome would be half the success without the Sky train

Great post and I don't think even the hard core "reasonable " sky fans could disagree.
At last years tour for instance Thomas towed Froome around for a week and a half. When Thomas wanted to respond to attacks but Froome nodded his head " he could not respond" Sky are all about the team. We have seen it so many times 4 even 5 riders bombing up a climb and dropping some of the best climbers in the world [ see clinic]
Bertie can survive on his own he can just follow along and use any train as though they are working for him.
What the pleased me yesterday was the way bertie dropped back and then went forward. He was definitely at ease on that last climb. I really hope we get a repeat today.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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There is a middle ground you know..
A ground where one could maybe reject most of what is said on this thread and still think Contador is the best cyclist

Contador has been the best cyclist of the last decade, sure.

Valverde disagrees.

Lol

He's arguably not even in the top 3: contador and cancellara for sure, and possibly boonen or Cavendish

 

[kingjr]

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There is a middle ground you know..
A ground where one could maybe reject most of what is said on this thread and still think Contador is the best cyclist

Contador has been the best cyclist of the last decade, sure.

Valverde disagrees.

Lol

He's arguably not even in the top 3: contador and cancellara for sure, and possibly boonen or Cavendish

No.... just no.

 

[blackmamba]

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There is a middle ground you know..
A ground where one could maybe reject most of what is said on this thread and still think Contador is the best cyclist

Contador has been the best cyclist of the last decade, sure.

Valverde disagrees.

Lol

He's arguably not even in the top 3: contador and cancellara for sure, and possibly boonen or Cavendish

Contador, Boonen and Cancellara in that position aswell!

 

[lenric]

I don't think that we can infer that Froome is inferior to Contador, just because he needs his team. They have different ways of racing, they're different riders. Both of them are great. Contador was 3 or 4 steps above everyone during 4 or 5 years, but since his ban Froome emerged along with Quintana.
It is debatable if Contador is past prime or not, but I think it is fair to say that his competition is far better than 4/5 years ago (except for Andy Schleck).

 

[PremierAndrew]

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There is a middle ground you know..
A ground where one could maybe reject most of what is said on this thread and still think Contador is the best cyclist

Contador has been the best cyclist of the last decade, sure.

Valverde disagrees.

Lol

He's arguably not even in the top 3: contador and cancellara for sure, and possibly boonen or Cavendish

No.... just no.

I think the pure sprinter with the best palamares deserves a mention

 

[dacooley]

apart from palmares, the biggest thing froome is inferior to contador and always will be is number of fans and fanboys. in terms of sheer power and racing skills they are more or less equal nowadays.

 

[Red Rick]

Why compare totally dissimilar riders?

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Why compare totally dissimilar riders?

Same could be said about riders from different generations. Is winning a TdF in the 70s anywhere near as impressive as winning a the Tdf this year?

 

[kingjr]

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Contador has been the best cyclist of the last decade, sure.

Valverde disagrees.

Lol

He's arguably not even in the top 3: contador and cancellara for sure, and possibly boonen or Cavendish

No.... just no.

I think the pure sprinter with the best palamares deserves a mention

Somewhere, but not there.

 

[Red Rick]

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Why compare totally dissimilar riders?

Same could be said about riders from different generations. Is winning a TdF in the 70s anywhere near as impressive as winning a the Tdf this year?

Sorta. Specialisation and all. Winning different sorts of races has obviously become a lot harder.

 

[perico]

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There is a middle ground you know..
A ground where one could maybe reject most of what is said on this thread and still think Contador is the best cyclist

Contador has been the best cyclist of the last decade, sure.

Valverde disagrees.

Tell him to get back to us when he has 9 GTS . Bala is a grand all-rounder but won't be remembered or have the legacy that Alberto does, IMO of course.

Among July-watchers that may be the case. However, among real lovers of the sport Piti, Fabian and Tomeke will have a legacy on par with Alberto.

Fabian = yes. Tom is great but his early peak hurts. Valverde is a great rider, but in the mold of Jaja.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Absolute nonsense.

The facts speak for themselves: Contador's strategy only became good when he joined Bjarne.

Need a reminder of how bad his strategy was before he moved to Saxo?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-distances-his-teammates-with-controversial-attack/