Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Kokoso]

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there is really no use arguing with you. Its the same thing every time.

Bazinga

 

[Kokoso]

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Anyone looked at his face in the races? he is tired and its a mental fatigue that shows on his face. He does not have the power in the legs that he once had, he himself admits that, crash or no crash. But his riding style demands that he has that power in the legs, he cannot ride the Froome pace-yourself style and be the effective dynamo he was. Its a sad feeling for a champion, his guns are gone. It makes him nervous hence the number of crashes we have seen.

Are you his psychologist?

I dare to say he is man with opinion. Whether psychologist or not doesn't matter at all.

 

[kirbygasm]

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From what I can see on Twitter there's a lot of in fighting within the team so with all the crashes too I'm sure Bertie has low morale. Looks like Trek have a good few signings for next year if he goes there.

Infighting? Do you mean Kreuziger's tweets?

Yes and there was also the tweet a while back about why he left the tour.

 

[Kokoso]

I don't get people saying Contador should quit, or that he declined this year. He was injured, his Vuelta performance might (or might not of course) be hampered by injury and what is more important, Vuelta hasn't even ended yet!!!
Unless you think that lot of falls might show he is declining. That might be the case. He wasn't falling so much in past years, was he?

 

[Kokoso]

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From what I can see on Twitter there's a lot of in fighting within the team so with all the crashes too I'm sure Bertie has low morale. Looks like Trek have a good few signings for next year if he goes there.

Infighting? Do you mean Kreuziger's tweets?

Yes and there was also the tweet a while back about why he left the tour.

What Kreuziger's tweets? Jesus guys, you are getting paranoic, that's ridiculous.

 

[Miburo]

You're in some serious denial if you don't think Kreuziger was trying to *** on Contador with that tweet

 

[kirbygasm]

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From what I can see on Twitter there's a lot of in fighting within the team so with all the crashes too I'm sure Bertie has low morale. Looks like Trek have a good few signings for next year if he goes there.

Infighting? Do you mean Kreuziger's tweets?

Yes and there was also the tweet a while back about why he left the tour.

What Kreuziger's tweets? Jesus guys, you are getting paranoic, that's ridiculous.

It was from a former employee at tinkoff who said that AC was not happy with being left isolated on the tour and the co captain roles. Then Kreuzinger tweeted about how great Froome is the other day. He also said the way the team is run is terrible.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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From what I can see on Twitter there's a lot of in fighting within the team so with all the crashes too I'm sure Bertie has low morale. Looks like Trek have a good few signings for next year if he goes there.

Infighting? Do you mean Kreuziger's tweets?

Yes and there was also the tweet a while back about why he left the tour.

What Kreuziger's tweets? Jesus guys, you are getting paranoic, that's ridiculous.

The Kreuziger tweet from the other day was an obvious dig at Alberto, he was applauding Froome for knowing his limits on a day where Alberto blew himself up trying to follow Quintana. Not something you like to see from a team mate but unsurprising given the infighting in the Tinkoff team this year.

 

[Kokoso]

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You're in some serious denial if you don't think Kreuziger was trying to **** on Contador with that tweet

Nope, I'm normal. You are paranoic and/or stupid with you certainity that it was aimed on Contador.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Anyone looked at his face in the races? he is tired and its a mental fatigue that shows on his face. He does not have the power in the legs that he once had, he himself admits that, crash or no crash. But his riding style demands that he has that power in the legs, he cannot ride the Froome pace-yourself style and be the effective dynamo he was. Its a sad feeling for a champion, his guns are gone. It makes him nervous hence the number of crashes we have seen.

Are you his psychologist?

I dare to say he is man with opinion. Whether psychologist or not doesn't matter at all.

I would think you'd have to be a doctor or a psychologist to accurately diagnose someone with mental fatigue. I'd also say it would take even a doctor or a psychologist more than just looking at the person's face.

 

[Kokoso]

Kreuziger is tweeting nice things about lot of cyclist, not only Froome. I wonder if there are other cyclists fans of that are as paranoic as some Contador's fans...certainly I haven't noticed that.

 

[Kokoso]

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I would think you'd have to be a doctor or a psychologist to accurately diagnose someone with mental fatigue. I'd also say it would take even a doctor or a psychologist more than just looking at the person's face.

Exactly. Btw. mental fatigue is no diagnose.

 

[Forever The Best]

Kreuziger was clearly having a dig at Contador there.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I would think you'd have to be a doctor or a psychologist to accurately diagnose someone with mental fatigue. I'd also say it would take even a doctor or a psychologist more than just looking at the person's face.

Exactly.

So now you agree?

Btw. mental fatigue is no diagnose.

No, it is a disorder; ascertaining someone suffers from mental fatigue is a diagnosis.

Jilbiker said they noticed fatigue on Contador's face and stated that it is mental fatigue. I consider that a diagnosis which is why I asked if jilbiker is Contador's psychologist

 

[Red Rick]

Is this really necessary?

 

[Carols]

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La Flo wrote:

I understand it may be hard to understand for people like us who lack the champion mentality, but attacking, pushing himself to the limit, hurting his rivals, going all out for the win is what he enjoys, even if it means a bigger loss. He prefers losing in a spectacular way because it allows him to entertain himself. It's not desperation. The thought of winning is what motivates him to go out and train. If he let go of that thought, if he focused on getting podium places instead, he would have no reason to continue. He gets no satisfaction, no joy out of riding defensively, riding within himself to secure a podium place. It would be cruel to make him ride that way.[/b]

EXACTLY, well said. The mentality of a true champion is beyond our ken.
Leave the man to ride the way that made him the Legend he is!

2 torn muscles and a hamstring injury made it very difficult to prepare properly for this race, a Weak TTT team and another crash (Not his fault) have made it almost impossible to win. But he will not give up and if he tries to stay with the best, well people that is Alberto!

If you don't like him why even come here and bait, troll and make nasty remarks???? Do people actually enjoy behaving like this? Scratches head......

 

[arvc40]

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Kreuziger was clearly having a dig at Contador there.

Good luck to Kreuzinger winning lots of races for his next Team.

 

[Forever The Best]

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Kreuziger was clearly having a dig at Contador there.

Good luck to Kreuzinger winning lots of races for his next Team.

Indeed.Contador has a palmares that Kreuziger is not gonna get.And Kreuziger only finished what,10th in the Tour this year?
Kreuziger a few years ago was also saying he was better than Nibali.Look at the palmares of the two.Nibali is miles above Kreuziger.

 

[jilbiker]

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I would think you'd have to be a doctor or a psychologist to accurately diagnose someone with mental fatigue. I'd also say it would take even a doctor or a psychologist more than just looking at the person's face.

Exactly.

So now you agree?

Btw. mental fatigue is no diagnose.

No, it is a disorder; ascertaining someone suffers from mental fatigue is a diagnosis.

Jilbiker said they noticed fatigue on Contador's face and stated that it is mental fatigue. I consider that a diagnosis which is why I asked if jilbiker is Contador's psychologist

Hi LaFlo, know if the position (personal psych) is open in the Bertie camp? I would apply...ha-ha. You are right that one cannot read the full details in the mind of a person from the face but somethings can be read, haven't you said sometimes that you saw him grimacing? Obviously you are reading something from the face. Some people are good at hiding emotions from the face, others are not, we all know Bertie is quite an emotional, feeling guy (Plus and minus on that), for such people, they find it hard to hide whats going on inside.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Hi LaFlo, know if the position (personal psych) is open in the Bertie camp? I would apply...ha-ha. You are right that one cannot read the full details in the mind of a person from the face but somethings can be read, haven't you said sometimes that you saw him grimacing? Obviously you are reading something from the face. Some people are good at hiding emotions from the face, others are not, we all know Bertie is quite an emotional, feeling guy (Plus and minus on that), for such people, they find it hard to hide whats going on inside.

Well, a grimace is quite obvious and hard to interpret differently. While Alberto may look tired at times, I don't think we can say whether it's physical or mental fatigue

 

[dacooley]

what kreuziger did for contador? he really helped him a lot. what contador did for kreuziger?

 

[Angliru]

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Anyone looked at his face in the races? he is tired and its a mental fatigue that shows on his face. He does not have the power in the legs that he once had, he himself admits that, crash or no crash. But his riding style demands that he has that power in the legs, he cannot ride the Froome pace-yourself style and be the effective dynamo he was. Its a sad feeling for a champion, his guns are gone. It makes him nervous hence the number of crashes we have seen.

Are you his psychologist?

I dare to say he is man with opinion. Whether psychologist or not doesn't matter at all.

How does one visually distinguish mental from physical fatigue? Opinion or not I'd like to hear how it's done.

 

[luckyboy]

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what kreuziger did for contador? he really helped him a lot. what contador did for kreuziger?

What is he supposed to do? Kreuziger is paid to help Contador win, then if Contador is injured he will focus on the next big race he can compete for instead of hanging around to help Kreuziger's anonymous ride to 10th on GC

You don't see Froome helping Kiryienka win races.

 

[Miburo]

Come on alberto, drop them all on the aubisque. I beg you

 

[Angliru]

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what kreuziger did for contador? he really helped him a lot. what contador did for kreuziger?

It was not and never has been Contador's role on the team to do anything for Kreuziger but perform to the best of his ability when supported by him. To flip it and ask what Contador did for Kreuziger is a bit juvenile considering the recognized responsibilities that each has within the team.