Alberto Contador suspended until August 2012 (loses all results July 2010 - Jan 2012)

[The Hitch]

How would it be if you would take yourself you up on your own advise?
I mean, the bolded part is simply ridiculously.

Do you believe Lance is the most talented athlete ever in the history of sports?

No because contador has surpassed him

and what's ridiculous about what she said? peloton was allegedly clean last year and he was still the best gt rider.

And if contador is doping and passing the tests then so are schleck and Evans and sanchez etc.

Its hard to argue against contador being better than the others in a clean peloton. he's just so superior and its a very parochial and very convenient opinion to say that contador must be doping to the max in every race he ever Won based on a fluke catch of minuscule levels of a joke substance, whereas the absence of such a unprobable catch totally clears all his opponents of even a suspicion ergo they would beat a clean contador.ea
Either way when contador comes back then he'll be in his second career and therefore just as "clean ' as the others (by your logic - no failed test) and then well see who the best clean rider is

 

[The Hitch]

Yeah, I too believe more in Pinotti than in most current riders, but I would never go on to say he never doped, doesn't dope and never will. That'd be foolhardy, especially considering his team history, as you say.

The best one is how harmonn spent 10 minutes after every Gilbert win last year talking about how clean Gilbert is because he did that one "yo practico el deporte limpio "advert that nadal and iniesta also did.

 

[Caruut]

The best one is how harmonn spent 10 minutes after every Gilbert win last year talking about how clean Gilbert is because he did that one "yo practico el deporte limpio "advert that nadal and iniesta also did.

Nadal and Iniesta are his no-doping buddies? Would be like doing an advert with Nick Griffin denouncing racism.

 

[Carols]

I cant believe that comment. You dont care about doping. If your a fan of the sport you would want to eradicate doping as much as possible. Its that precise attitude which shows me everything that is wrong with cycling today.

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Alas if you care so much find another sport.....unless you want to eradicate: Merckx, Anquetil, Pantani, Armstrong, Museeuw, Zabel, Van den Broek and COUNTLESS others for the history of the sport.

.50 pics of clen that could have come from the food supply or a supplement is no big deal.....

I've followed this sport for 45+ years and learned to enjoy it for what it is. A reflection of live with all it's obstacles, striving, failing, succeeding and never giving up. It is a Glorious sport so just Enjoy it!

 

[Cloxxki]

Will Contador one day be remembered as Ullrich (or Landis) is now? A kind modest person with a warm heart, forced to dope to show his otherwise unmatched potential, but always did so modestly compared to direct opposition?

 

[Carols]

I follow this sport for 20 years and i enjoy it still. I want to talk about all good things in cycling and i do that everyday in the road cycling section but i am not in denial like you are above
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I'm glad you enjoy the sport, as do I I am not in denial; I have reached 'acceptance'. To do otherwise would have driven me away many, many years ago.

 

[LaFlorecita]

No because contador has surpassed him

and what's ridiculous about what she said? peloton was allegedly clean last year and he was still the best gt rider.

And if contador is doping and passing the tests then so are schleck and Evans and sanchez etc.

Its hard to argue against contador being better than the others in a clean peloton. he's just so superior and its a very parochial and very convenient opinion to say that contador must be doping to the max in every race he ever Won based on a fluke catch of minuscule levels of a joke substance, whereas the absence of such a unprobable catch totally clears all his opponents of even a suspicion ergo they would beat a clean contador.ea
Either way when contador comes back then he'll be in his second career and therefore just as "clean ' as the others (by your logic - no failed test) and then well see who the best clean rider is

Thank you Hitch for clarifying my point.

I really don't feel like explaining anymore.

 

[ferryman]

Can anyone (La Fl) confirm that the window for appealing CAS is now closed and AC and his team have accepted the ban?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Can anyone (La Fl) confirm that the window for appealing CAS is now closed and AC and his team have accepted the ban?

Apparently they have time until the 2nd of April. (Second part of the article)

That is, if I can trust my Spanish skills.

 

[ferryman]

Apparently they have time until the 2nd of April. (Second part of the article)

That is, if I can trust my Spanish skills.

Thanks for this.

 

[Merckx index]

Apparently they have time until the 2nd of April. (Second part of the article)

That is, if I can trust my Spanish skills.

Sure sounds that way to me. Here is my somewhat free translation:

“We have not made a definite decision [said brother Fran], we have until April 2 to decide”, since the initial period of a month has been extended by the court. That additional month, however, is for appealing to the Swiss Federal Court, since if they decide to take the case to Strasbourg, as many advise, there is no time limit. “Really, we have not decided anything yet”, repeats Fran, trying to sound convincing and perhaps hinting that to go to the European Court it is perhaps necessary to go first to the Swiss court.

Sounds as though, if they do decide to appeal, it could drag on a great deal longer, moving up jurisdictions from Swiss to Euro. But of course by then Bert will be riding again, it will be all about those two GTs he lost.

And here's an interesting question: why was the time limit for an appeal extended? Is it possible that Bert's team told them they planned to appeal, but needed more time to prepare their case?

 

[ferryman]

Sure sounds that way to me. Here is my somewhat free translation:



Sounds as though, if they do decide to appeal, it could drag on a great deal longer, moving up jurisdictions from Swiss to Euro. But of course by then Bert will be riding again, it will be all about those two GTs he lost.

And here's an interesting question: why was the time limit for an appeal extended? Is it possible that Bert's team told them they planned to appeal, but needed more time to prepare their case?

And thanks to you MI for further translation. My question was because my basic understanding was that AC had 30 days to appeal from the date of the CAS ruling but everything seemed to have gone quiet. There does seem to have been be some Legals going on if the date has been extended. But not surprising given what has gone before

 

[Angliru]

You find my faith in Wiggins disturbing? Get real.

I respect his anti-doping stance in the sport. Thats all, nothing more, nothing less, so dont you be going around twisting my opinions and then make it personal with a comment like that.

You cant say an anti-doping comment or back a rider who has an anti-doping stance, coz if you do you get accussed of all sorts now.

And in case you think Wiggins is the only rider i like with an anti-doping stance you are most definitely wrong. I have a lot of time for Marco Pinotti as well. He has been very outspoken on Di Luca and Basso in the past.

Wiggins and Pinotti are the examples for the younger generation. Not Valverde, Basso, Vino, Contador, or Di Luca. I dont got the time of the day for any of them.

You do realize that Armstrong was anti-doping too? That Basso insisted on his innocence when he signed with Discovery? How many eventually proven to be "enhanced" riders have insisted they were clean and believed in a clean sport? What is really interesting is that the standard mantra in the clinic has been that to be competitive in a grand tour and especially to podium one has to be juiced. Of course in your case, with the exception of Wiggo, that soldier of virtue. I'm not saying he's juiced but for you to blindly say that he'll never put the sport in the position that Contador supposedly did only shows how you're just as much a fanboy of Wiggins as I am of the Spanish speaking riders and pure climbers in general (except for Andy ).

 

[Angliru]

Hitch said if Contador is passing tests while he is doping then so are Schleck, Evans, Sanchez,etc.

Its not alright for Contador to do it if others are doing it. Like i said why couldnt he be like Wiggins and Pinotti with his stance. He would of earned my respect. And if there is some thing that happens with the Schlecks, Evans with regards to doping they will be ridiculed by me in the same way Contador has been. I am consistent in my opinions on dopers. You are nothing but a flip flopper whose opinions and stance on doping changes like the weather. You dont have cycling`s best interests at heart if you dont want to stop doping. You said you dont care about doping.

You are only interested in whats best for Contador over the best interests of cycling so thanks for clarifying your point to me La Florecita

Can I guess that Frank's payment to a certain doctor for a "training program" has conveniently slipped your mind? Of course Frank was cleared by his federation and the UCI decided that an appeal was not called for. Hmmmm.

La Florecita's point and motivations have always been crystal clear as far as Contador is concerned. What is the big mystery? She's always been quite up front....look at her signature.

 

[danjo007]

hey; anyone who thinks wiggans has been clean his whole life is dilluded

 

[sniper]

What is your allegation against him based on?

Come on tell me. Where are the rumours against him?

You have nothing to back it up with.

what happened to common sense?

common man.
the question should be reverse: if you think a cyclist is clean, you should come up with the proof to back that up.
at least, common-sense-wise.
it makes perfect mundain common sense to think wiggins dopes, even if it's only a weekly dose of steroids.
so yes, claiming he's clean is sort of odd.

 

[hrotha]

If someone going from the autobus to GT contender overnight isn't suspicious, nothing is. Not even "EPO syringe fell on my arm."

 

[airstream]

You do realize that Armstrong was anti-doping too? That Basso insisted on his innocence when he signed with Discovery? How many eventually proven to be "enhanced" riders have insisted they were clean and believed in a clean sport? What is really interesting is that the standard mantra in the clinic has been that to be competitive in a grand tour and especially to podium one has to be juiced. Of course in your case, with the exception of Wiggo, that soldier of virtue. I'm not saying he's juiced but for you to blindly say that he'll never put the sport in the position that Contador supposedly did only shows how you're just as much a fanboy of Wiggins as I am of the Spanish speaking riders and pure climbers in general (except for Andy ).

At least, they didn't like to talk about doping and treated this issue quite reservedly. The guy declared himself the face of a new clean cycling after the most doping ever 2007 Tour. Ah, its so pity that Franke didn't manage to organize a press-conference then. Apparently, someone thanked him a lot for that. Nobody lies about doping so enthusiastically as Contador. It seems the proverbial modesty helps him in it. How does a theoretically сlean rider (Wiggins) have to handle a cheat? The argument on Schleck is highly far-fetched, or you think he needed some nutrition to show more than mediocre results in 2006?

 

[Benotti69]

what happened to common sense?

common man.
the question should be reverse: if you think a cyclist is clean, you should come up with the proof to back that up.
at least, common-sense-wise.
it makes perfect mundain common sense to think wiggins dopes, even if it's only a weekly dose of steroids.
so yes, claiming he's clean is sort of odd.

Yes.

It amazes me that even after all these years from Gino Bartali sneaking into Coppi's hotel bedroom to find out what dope he was using to Anquetils' water quote to Landis and 2010's Contador Clen positive, people still find it difficult to question rider's and demand proof of clean riding.

I agree with Sniper and as I have posted before, if cycling wants to progress in the public's eyes and become a bigger sport they need to start proving their innocence, which means to stop the doping.

Yes other sports use dope in the same manner as cycling, but those sports don't have the reputation that cycling has. It also does not make it acceptable to dope in one sport because another does it and gets away with it. That is childish thinking.

 

[simo1733]

How do you prove you didn't do something?

 

[Walkman]

No because contador has surpassed him

and what's ridiculous about what she said? peloton was allegedly clean last year and he was still the best gt rider.

Firstly, do you believe Lance won his seven Tour because he was being the most talented rider?

"Allegedly clean"?!

You are such a flip-flopper. Just a couple of weeks ago you were arguing along the lines of that everyone dopes, and therefor AC is'nt any worse than the others.

What is ridiculous?

Do you really believe that doping only levels the playing field? That none does dope more or are using vastly superior programs? That all the riders are equally good responders? Or, heck, do you believe every single rider dopes?

And if contador is doping and passing the tests then so are schleck and Evans and sanchez etc.

Uhm...what? So if AC dopes, everybody dopes? But if he's not then none does? How about, AC dopes to the gills and is this eras Armstrong while Schleck and Evans and Sanchez are like Ullrich, more talented but cannot compete with AC because of all the juice?

That' impossible....bacause you and La Florecita say so?

Its hard to argue against contador being better than the others in a clean peloton.

No, but it's very naive to make a statement like that. You don't konw nothing about who is clean and who isn't. AC may be the greatest talent in the peloton, but he may also be the greatest fraud.

 

[Walkman]

Whatever. I think you haters are sad.

How about answering to my post insted of just calling me a "hater" on the sole basis that I don't like dopers and that I think AC is a doper.

 

[danjo007]

What is your allegation against him based on?

Come on tell me. Where are the rumours against him?

You have nothing to back it up with.

this IS the clinic. i personally saw him do it on the bus behind the grassy knoll!

 

[Walkman]

I'm not even going to explain that to you because I highly doubt you want to understand.

Try me....Please.

 

[Nilsson]

if cycling wants to progress in the public's eyes and become a bigger sport they need to start proving their innocence, which means to stop the doping.

Yes other sports use dope in the same manner as cycling, but those sports don't have the reputation that cycling has.

Don't you see the contradiction here? You can't prove innocence, and you shouldn't try it as well. If you try to prove your innocence you will, by definition, look suspicious. It's better to catch the ones who are guilty. Although you have to keep in mind that's problematic in relation to public opinion as well. If you look for doping, you'll find doping. It's the paradox of serious anti-doping policy. Cycling has the reputation and every positive test, every effort to make te sport (relatively) cleaner will confirm the reputation or make it worse.

It doesn't mean cycling should give up the fight though, definitely not, but we have to understand (and accept) that things probably will not get much better. If a fierce battle against doping is reality, so is athletes getting caught and damaging your reputation. Most people will not understand the paradox of fighting doping...