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Ryo Hazuki said:if you drop with 80 km to go in the wind it's normal to lose 10 minutes![]()
he didn't lose 10 minutes because of a mechnical. he may've lost 30 seconds because valverde as an idiot changed wheels instead of bikes. all that other time he lost because of the wind and happened much more often., pozzovivo in giro 2010 lost I think 15 minutes in windJericho said:I agree its normal to lose that much time. You seemed to have missed my point. When was the last time a top GC guy lost 10 minutes due to a mechanical? It doesn't happen, because normally people wait up. The only time they don't wait is on crucial points of a stage (on the final climb, near the end of a sprint). And even then people usually only lose 1-2 minutes. To lose 10 minutes and 2nd place overall due to bad luck when you rode just fine is pretty crappy. If Valverde missed a split or had a bad day, that's fine. But he didn't.
If Valverde is going to target the Vuelta, he should just drop out now. No point in riding the last week. He's already ridden 2/3rds of the race hard and he'll need to conserve energy if he wants to be 100% at the Vuelta. Or he could target the King of the Mountains. He's already got some points and seems on good form. Plus, I'd doubt he'd complain about stick it to Europcar.
Ryo Hazuki said:he didn't lose 10 minutes because of a mechnical. he may've lost 30 seconds because valverde as an idiot changed wheels instead of bikes. all that other time he lost because of the wind and happened much more often., pozzovivo in giro 2010 lost I think 15 minutes in wind
happytramp said:Movistar attacked when Taylor Phinny crashed into a moto that had parked stupidly on the side of the road at a bend. Screw Valverde. He wouldn't have thought twice about it.
Ryo Hazuki said:I don't remember contador ever crahsing in a gt he won. same with evans in the tour he won. armstrong only crashed once over that paper bag or something which really was nothing. armstrong in 7 years crashed once. no other cyclist in the tour can probably say that. contador only crashed in the tour he lost
Ryo Hazuki said:he didn't lose 10 minutes because of a mechnical. he may've lost 30 seconds because valverde as an idiot changed wheels instead of bikes. all that other time he lost because of the wind and happened much more often., pozzovivo in giro 2010 lost I think 15 minutes in wind
Jericho said:Even if he could have switched bikes, there's no guarantee he gets back in.
There's a third possibility. Valverde finally got a chance to watch Quintana's ascent of the Pailheres and decided to play clumsy mechanic at an opportune moment.SafeBet said:I blame their race awareness and smartness much more than the bad luck.
SafeBet said:He lost more than 30 seconds changing wheel.
How much do you think he loses just grabbing a teammate's bike? 10 seconds? You seriously think they don't get back in if they 10 seconds back?
They were totally unaware of what was going on and what was at stake in that moment of the race. His teammate even took a p*ss after giving him the wheel![]()
I blame their race awareness and smartness much more than the bad luck.
maxmartin said:I don't understand why AV is riding ? Want to support Q in the front? He did the most of the work to drop AC and bring RP to the CF group. Although RP probably can ride back to CF by himself, but AV did make RP's job much easier. Without AV riding, CF could lose more time to Q.![]()
ILovecycling said:Movifvckers tactics![]()
Netserk said:Valverde wants to top-10 the GC.
Netserk said:Valverde wants to top-10 the GC.
maxmartin said:I don't understand why AV is riding ? Want to support Q in the front? He did the most of the work to drop AC and bring RP to the CF group. Although RP probably can ride back to CF by himself, but AV did make RP's job much easier. Without AV riding, CF could lose more time to Q.![]()
webvan said:Dunno, I haven't done the math but without the Echelon incident isn't this his best TDF ever!
maxmartin said:I don't understand why AV is riding ? Want to support Q in the front? He did the most of the work to drop AC and bring RP to the CF group. Although RP probably can ride back to CF by himself, but AV did make RP's job much easier. Without AV riding, CF could lose more time to Q.![]()
The Hitch said:Movistar 2012 Vuelta - Valverde 2 stage wins
Movistar 2013 Giro - Visconti 2 stage wins (+ 2 others)
Movistar 2014 Tour - Rui Costa 2 stage wins