Alexi Grewel in training for comeback at 50! Inspiring or Unwelcome?

[flicker]

What makes you so certain Bauer was clean?

He was Greg LeMonds' roomie, training partner ,team mate and friend, nuff said.

 

[mountaindew]

Oh ok, so you mean he snorted coke instead then.

 

[flicker]

Oh ok, so you mean he snorted coke instead then.

Only the finest Peruvian flake. Back in those days Cocaine was refined properly, with ether.

 

[jimmypop]

So now we're insinuating that Lemond had a recreational cocaine problem while he was racing? I knew he had issues with drinking later on, but this?

Do tell, I'm here for the gossip.

 

[flicker]

So now we're insinuating that Lemond had a recreational cocaine problem while he was racing? I knew he had issues with drinking later on, but this?

Do tell, I'm here for the gossip.

I was joking, I have no idea if Greg did coke. If he did, I myself would not say anything about it. I think cocaine is a bad thing.

 

[Bag_O_Wallet]

Nice, thanks for sharing. I wish I had been able to see the coors classic in SF in 1987 as I moved in 79. Epic, I am glad the race is coming back in another form. Good luck to Grewal and his friends. As an old man myself I know how hard those comebacks can be,God speed.

Thought you weren't into cycling at that point. I thought you quit watching when Lemond became top tier.

 

[flicker]

Thought you weren't into cycling at that point. I thought you quit watching when Lemond became top tier.

I was not watching cycling during that time. That is why I missed that what was it red zinger or coors classic stage in SF. Wasn't worth driving 155 miles to watch that race. My brother gave me a cycling cap from the race a few years ago. That made up for missing the race.

 

[ultimobici]

I love the "Deer Hunter" too. If my Lance is guilty he will pay. I was not following cycling during the 84 Olympics or after until 2005. I quit watching when LeMond started being top tier. I thought it bogus that an American won the tour. After Lance retired I became extremely interested in cycling. I was again not interested in his arrogance. I found out about Alexi from a friend who was a national champion at the time and knew all the players in the cycling game. He told me about Bauer and
the doping of Grewal. With Tyler Hamilton who would he give his medal to who was clean.. Grewal beat clean riders and holds his medal. The stuff about his kids well that is from Alexis own velonews article. This has nothing to do with Lance. It does have to do about drug addiction which I know about from relatives. Also like I have put out there before Alexi needs to make amends with his family. If they accept his amends fine. If he is unable to do that he has still done well for trying. If he wants to compete then he can after he has made his amends.
Lance will have to take responsability for any wrong doing if he has done so.

F### me you really have got a chip on your shoulder about Lemond!

What was bogus about an American win in the Tour? Had he never won again I could understand, but he won twice more and was in a position to win in 85 too until Koechli made him sit up.

I seem to recall you mentioning you were racing at the same time as Lemond was a junior? Sour grapes methinks!

 

[flicker]

F### me you really have got a chip on your shoulder about Lemond!

What was bogus about an American win in the Tour? Had he never won again I could understand, but he won twice more and was in a position to win in 85 too until Koechli made him sit up.

I seem to recall you mentioning you were racing at the same time as Lemond was a junior? Sour grapes methinks!

Sorry, I thought Eddy Merckx could just go on winning for ever. As I have said before Gregs' attitude has turned many off. And alas I was jealous of his ability. He kicked everyones you know what off the charts. He showed all the American racers what time it was. I recognize him as a great champion.
I would love to see him happy and adding positive things to the sport now.
Alas seeing how his life has unfolded I am no longer jealous of Greg. I doubt he reads the drivel I have written about him here but I hope someone clues Greg in that it is admirable to be a champion but the responsibility means acting a champion after retirement. Check out Merckx and golfers like Arnold Palmer. They carry themselves through retirement as champions + they carry themselves with humility. They help others and inspire others to greater sporting greatness.

 

[ultimobici]

Sorry, I thought Eddy Merckx could just go on winning for ever. As I have said before Gregs' attitude has turned many off. And alas I was jealous of his ability. He kicked everyones you know what off the charts. He showed all the American racers what time it was. I recognize him as a great champion.
I would love to see him happy and adding positive things to the sport now.
Alas seeing how his life has unfolded I am no longer jealous of Greg. I doubt he reads the drivel I have written about him here but I hope someone clues Greg in that it is admirable to be a champion but the responsibility means acting a champion after retirement. Check out Merckx and golfers like Arnold Palmer. They carry themselves through retirement as champions + they carry themselves with humility. They help others and inspire others to greater sporting greatness.

Wow, you're full of compassion!

So if a sportsman has issues many of us encounter he's somehow diminished? Yes Lemond had issues, and thanks to Geohagan the world knows from where they probably stem. Is it fair to pillory an individual for their flaws? Seems his family still love him - no divorce, no estranged children despite issues with alcohol. I'd say he's done quite well.

WRT Grewal, what has his family history got to do with his being permitted to race? If you apply the same criteria to the whole field then you might not have any riders at all!

Dredging up an incident 26 years ago is irrelevant. By the same token Bauer should have been slung out of cycling for the 88 Renaix Worlds.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Another Good Story

http://stevetilford.com/?p=6281

I'd root for him if he got his money issues squared away and was a bike path champion. I may get this one wrong, but I predict he has a lousy relationship with his kids. Nice way to pass crazy onto your kids Alexi!

Having a steady professional career and a solid relationship with your kids is just plain hard for guys like him. Now his new priority is revisiting/reveling in his inarguably unethical past. Alexi still has time to call it a mistake and get into some combination of therapy and psychiatry.

Joe, I think you need to examine how you came to value Alexi as such a good guy.

 

[flicker]

Wow, you're full of compassion!

So if a sportsman has issues many of us encounter he's somehow diminished? Yes Lemond had issues, and thanks to Geohagan the world knows from where they probably stem. Is it fair to pillory an individual for their flaws? Seems his family still love him - no divorce, no estranged children despite issues with alcohol. I'd say he's done quite well.

WRT Grewal, what has his family history got to do with his being permitted to race? If you apply the same criteria to the whole field then you might not have any riders at all!

Dredging up an incident 26 years ago is irrelevant. By the same token Bauer should have been slung out of cycling for the 88 Renaix Worlds.

I respect your opinion. I also like to hear other opinions here.
I think what happened in the trial with Geohagan was irrehensible but I do think that Greg provoked the situation. Taping phone calls and making anologies about what happened to himself and comparing to doping I see is provokation to a desperate man(Floyd).

Like I said I am sorry for what happened to Greg and Grewal in their childhoods. I can just tell by how they have acted it was bad.

We make mistakes everyday. Sometimes others make mistakes to. Sorry I have been hard on Greg and Grewal. PS sorry about my spelling. cheerio!

If you take the whole field out of the worlds I could turn pro and win it riding it like a sportif. I could have my own 15 minutes of fame and wear the rainbow jersey for a year!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Is it fair to pillory an individual for their flaws? Seems his family still love him - no divorce, no estranged children despite issues with alcohol. I'd say he's done quite well.

It's fair to have some empathy for his situation. At this point his personal demons haven't been managed into remission some 20 years later. Now the guy wants to revisit his past. More bad choices.

-Divorce by itself is nothing to be critical about. But the context (his addiction) and the fact he is still making terrible choices is a clue the guy has serious personal problems.
-Children, who knows how much crazy he's passed on. Given the wisdom of this decision, I'd guess lots of crazy. Hopefully the Mother does better.
-His addiction issues are not well documented, but the dude looks like a full-tilt addict of powerful drugs. That's another way of saying he looks like hell.

I want the best for the guy. Riding a bike competitively is not it. Making steady money and working on his addiction issues would be a full-time job for a guy like him.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/grewal-68178-medal-never.html

 

[ultimobici]

It's fair to have some empathy for his situation. At this point his personal demons haven't been managed into remission some 20 years later. Now the guy wants to revisit his past. More bad choices.

-Divorce by itself is nothing to be critical about. But the context (his addiction) and the fact he is still making terrible choices is a clue the guy has serious personal problems.
-Children, who knows how much crazy he's passed on. Given the wisdom of this decision, I'd guess lots of crazy. Hopefully the Mother does better.
-His addiction issues are not well documented, but the dude looks like a full-tilt addict of powerful drugs. That's another way of saying he looks like hell.

I want the best for the guy. Riding a bike competitively is not it. Making steady money and working on his addiction issues would be a full-time job for a guy like him.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/grewal-68178-medal-never.html

I was referring to Lemond with this comment! I have little knowledge of Grewal's problems other than his sojourn at Panasonic.

 

[Guttercat]

I was joking, I have no idea if Greg did coke. If he did, I myself would not say anything about it. I think cocaine is a bad thing.

Hi. I'm new here. I've got to give flicker props for bouncing back no matter how many times the masses pile on.


So flicker, what's the name of your home planet?

 

[flicker]

Same as yours, and i appreciate her, pray for her and give thanks to our mother eveyday. That is a win- win way to carry on through our life.

 

[Bag_O_Wallet]

....
I want the best for the guy. Riding a bike competitively is not it. Making steady money and working on his addiction issues would be a full-time job for a guy like him.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/grewal-68178-medal-never.html

Yup. I don't know the guy, but I wish him well. Him announcing his intent to race the Quizno's Pro Challenge looks, from the outside looking in, to be at the very least exceptionally impulsive.

I could only imagine the looks on all my old racing buddies faces if I told them that I was going to race again, and then showed them some pictures of me pretending to go fast on a bike leaned up against a wall.

I mean, the guy didn't even have proper shoes or pedals or a decent bike, yet he's announcing his return to high level pro racing, and is suggesting he could form a professional team with Ned Overend and Raul Alcala.

Again, I wish him well, but it doesn't sound like he's well grounded.

 

[Digger]

Sorry, I thought Eddy Merckx could just go on winning for ever. As I have said before Gregs' attitude has turned many off. And alas I was jealous of his ability. He kicked everyones you know what off the charts. He showed all the American racers what time it was. I recognize him as a great champion.
I would love to see him happy and adding positive things to the sport now.
Alas seeing how his life has unfolded I am no longer jealous of Greg. I doubt he reads the drivel I have written about him here but I hope someone clues Greg in that it is admirable to be a champion but the responsibility means acting a champion after retirement. Check out Merckx and golfers like Arnold Palmer. They carry themselves through retirement as champions + they carry themselves with humility. They help others and inspire others to greater sporting greatness.

..................... off topic

 

[fatandfast]

I was joking, I have no idea if Greg did coke. If he did, I myself would not say anything about it. I think cocaine is a bad thing.

Fignon said he Greg were roomies for many months. Laurent said he did his share of blow and that it was a common party drug. Unlike other party partners Fignon never answered directly that he and Lemond did a line or two while chasing the ladies.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Stay on topic, now, or face the consequences. This thread is about Alexi Grewal and his potential comeback.

For those interested, here's the video montage from the 1984 Olympic RR.

 

[ricara]

Hmm, based on the sunglasses, I'm going to guess that it's Roy Knickman rather than Bauer. Those are big, bleedin' Bolle sunglasses, and I think Bauer was partial to Rudy Projects.

There's not much to go on, because you can only see about 10% of the rider's body and bike. But I strongly feel that's not Roy. His posture and build and positioning are all wrong. I'm not 100% convinced that it's Bauer, but I'm 98% sure that it's not Roy. Definitely a tough one though. If there were more shots from that same race (ideally on the same lap), we might be able to figure it out for sure.

 

[ricara]

Bruce rode for ADR for a year w/Matt Eaton.

Thank you -- that is Bruce, then! Right there in the front group on a nice steep (but probably very short) climb. Go Bruce! (I told you he was talented.)

 

[ricara]

It's Janus Kuum on the front. I think the Bianchi guy migth be Jesper Worre. Glen Sanders in the stars and bars.

I yield to the superior cyclist ID'er!

I almost said Glen Sanders, but then I thought "Nah, he wouldn't be in that race in that outfit." But truth be told, I can't remember if that was just the National Team jersey (which might make sense because I think they had a US National Team in the Coors a couple of times) or the National Champion jersey, which I didn't think Glen ever won, while Hegg did (I'm pretty sure).

But looking again, you can tell the bike is a small one. You can't see the head tube, but you can see the top tube and down tube heading for an intersection with a small head tube -- I'd say about a 52 cm frame C-C.

Hegg wasn't very tall, but he definitely rode a bigger bike than that. On the other hand, Glen was a small, scrappy guy, and a 52 would be just right for him. So I reverse my earlier call. Glen Sanders it is!

 

[Digger]

Stay on topic, now, or face the consequences. This thread is about Alexi Grewal and his potential comeback.

For those interested, here's the video montage from the 1984 Olympic RR.

I was watching that yesterday and I can't help but think about how bitter I would be if I was Bauer. You see that and you're reminded again of how little justice there is in the world. One chance gone forever, beaten by a tyre - and a doper.
About Alexi I have mixed emotions - I have a soft spot for people with addiction issues and people down on their luck, so in that sense I would like to see him doing well.....the lack of contrition for '84 sucks imo though.

 

[ricara]

One chance gone forever, beaten by a tyre - and a doper.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!

What are you talking about? Is there any evidence that Alexi had anything besides No-Doze for that race?

Or or you suggesting that Alexi won because he took ephedrine in some herbal tea two weeks prior?

'Cuz we know that Alexi was not part of the blood doping US squad. So what did Alexi take besides No-Doze for that race? (Each tablet equal to one strong cup of coffee...)