ALI DEAD

[Amsterhammer]

Re:

Nice to see that people are more respectful here, than Amsterhammer was in the Thatcher thread.

You're still so butthurt years later that you felt compelled to produce this entirely uncalled for, gratuitous swipe at me? Get a life.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Happy to entirely agree with Alpe, whose memory is far better than mine.

 

[Echoes]

One thing that of course was hardly mentioned all tributes to Muhammad Ali: his Islamic Faith!

Ali has always been open about his Islamness. He never said "but you know I'm just a moderate" or "just a casual Muslim". He said he was Muslim, period. He did not cheat! Moderate is another word for dishonest after all. Only in his later year did he start mellowing down unfortunately. I don't think it's in his honour to carry the Olympic Flames at what proved to be the worst ever Olympics.

Ali converted because of his friendship with Malcolm X and joined Nation of Islam. How politically uncorrect can that be!

“In my name and the name of all Muslims in America, I declare support for the Palestinian struggle to liberate their homeland and oust the Zionist invaders.”
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.723042

“the United States is the stronghold of Zionism and imperialism.”
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.723042

Asked for his thoughts on the Iranian hostage crisis by India Today, Ali denounced the Iranians as "fanatics," but still managed to blame the Jews.
"Religion ain’t bad; it’s people who are bad," he said. "You know the entire power structure is Zionist. They control America; they control the world. They are really against the Islam religion. So whenever a Muslim does something wrong, they blame the religion.”
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.723042

"My mother was a Baptist. She believed Jesus was the son of God, and I don’t believe that. But even though my mother had a religion different from me, I believe that, on Judgment Day, my mother will be in heaven.
"There are Jewish people who lead good lives. When they die, I believe they’re going to heaven. It doesn’t matter what religion you are, if you’re a good person you’ll receive God’s blessing. Muslims, Christians and Jews all serve the same God. We just serve him in different ways.
"Anyone who believes in One God should also believe that all people are part of one family. God created us all. And all people have to work to get along."
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.723042

That is Muhammad Ali!

Also the refusal to get draft to the Vietnam War means a lot to me. Conscription here on the continent started with the French Revolution. A lot of Catholic conscripts refused to join the armies: in the Vendée, in Belgium, in the US (Irish & Belgian migrants to the North, Cajuns in the South), in Quebec. Ali just followed a long tradition of desertion.

May Allah - Glory & Praise be upon Him - bless Muhammad Ali !!

 

[Archibald]

One thing that of course was hardly mentioned all tributes to Muhammad Ali: his Islamic Faith!

Ali has always been open about his Islamness. He never said "but you know I'm just a moderate" or "just a casual Muslim". He said he was Muslim, period. He did not cheat! Moderate is another word for dishonest after all. Only in his later year did he start mellowing down unfortunately. I don't think it's in his honour to carry the Olympic Flames at what proved to be the worst ever Olympics.

Ali converted because of his friendship with Malcolm X and joined Nation of Islam. How politically uncorrect can that be!

“In my name and the name of all Muslims in America, I declare support for the Palestinian struggle to liberate their homeland and oust the Zionist invaders.”
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.723042

“the United States is the stronghold of Zionism and imperialism.”
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.723042

Asked for his thoughts on the Iranian hostage crisis by India Today, Ali denounced the Iranians as "fanatics," but still managed to blame the Jews.
"Religion ain’t bad; it’s people who are bad," he said. "You know the entire power structure is Zionist. They control America; they control the world. They are really against the Islam religion. So whenever a Muslim does something wrong, they blame the religion.”
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.723042

"My mother was a Baptist. She believed Jesus was the son of God, and I don’t believe that. But even though my mother had a religion different from me, I believe that, on Judgment Day, my mother will be in heaven.
"There are Jewish people who lead good lives. When they die, I believe they’re going to heaven. It doesn’t matter what religion you are, if you’re a good person you’ll receive God’s blessing. Muslims, Christians and Jews all serve the same God. We just serve him in different ways.
"Anyone who believes in One God should also believe that all people are part of one family. God created us all. And all people have to work to get along."
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.723042

That is Muhammad Ali!

Also the refusal to get draft to the Vietnam War means a lot to me. Conscription here on the continent started with the French Revolution. A lot of Catholic conscripts refused to join the armies: in the Vendée, in Belgium, in the US (Irish & Belgian migrants to the North, Cajuns in the South), in Quebec. Ali just followed a long tradition of desertion.

May Allah - Glory & Praise be upon Him - bless Muhammad Ali !!

"politically correct"? was that even a term back in the 60's when this was all going on??

way to take it all out of context and ignoring the times in which it all occurred

Guess you didn't see the Parkinson interviews that were put together as a doco/remembrance... was all in there - a twenty-something re-spouting the words of Elijah Muhammad from a time when the civil rights fight was in full swing...
Amazing what young people do in the face of oppression - imagine being a world champion and you're not allowed to eat in one of your own neighbourhood restaurants because of the colour of your skin. Might give you a bit of a chip on your shoulder from the those privileged whites? Or give you a good reason to join a group trying to fight such a thing?
What would you have done as a 22y.o?

 

[Echoes]

What is the problem?

I was supposed to pay tribute to the man. Where's negativity in my post?

 

[Archibald]

What is the problem?

I was supposed to pay tribute to the man. Where's negativity in my post?

took it as though you were highlighting his being politically incorrect through his conversion to islam and anti-semetic statements - my mistake - was a little all over the place after reading the US Politics thread...

 

[Echoes]

It's exactly what I did, but for the anti-Semitic aspects of his comments which is your opinion.

But from my viewpoint, it's all positive. Ali also recently schooled Trump on Islam. He fought till his last breath.

 

[lenric]

I read somewhere the last 3/4 fights of his career were the prime catalysts for the early appearance of his Parkinson disease.