All my passion for the sport has gone :(

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I think I lost more passion for it during last years race, because that TT came out of nowhere and felt like a slap in the face again as Ive been watching this stuff since the early 90s, I dont recall the Indurain years being particularly memorable to watch, then we were in the Team Telekom, Pantani and Festina era, then there was Armstrong, and then Landis...sheesh why am I still watching this sport era so I missed Contador, was drawn back in by Sky, and exciting they werent either, though they felt believable.

now we are in the Pog/Vingo era who I dont know anymore,, you look at Pog and go well yeah ok he's doing crazy things this year, but he's been doing crazy things like this all season so far and maybe theres still a little part of me that wants to believe in the magic, and Vingo seems to be doing even crazier things by seemingly coming back from an unbelievable crash and set of injuries and is even better than he was last year, and would have won this years race at a canter too, if it hadnt been his main rival was even quicker.

and I cant explain why they are so far ahead of everyone, we see this kind of thing more & these kinds of gaps in the womens pro tour, and I dont want to get into who might be juicing there debate, but you can look at the WWT and go well these teams are really well funded, theyve got good riders, and for most of the time theyre up against fairly average teams and fairly average riders in comparison, they absolutely would still kick the backside of even a decent club rider, but most of them arent at that elite grade of rider and so you get big gaps.

but in the mens pro tour, youve got to be an elite grade to be there, youve got to be on a well funded team to be there. and most of them have been be made to look like complete mugs this year in comparison, which isnt something you see that often in pro sport.

maybe some of the belief rather than the passion has gone, as that last stage TT was just mesmerising to watch.
 
Of the incredibly large list of things I've seen ilmaestro accused of being on here throughout the years, 'Jonas Vingegaard fanboy' might be the funniest.

I've been accused of the same thing a couple of weeks ago, I really wish everyone would go back to that to the clinic topic during the tt last year and have a look at the absolute meltdown we were all having.

At least they keep busting Italian conti riders who take a bit of growth hormone
 
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I'm a part time watcher but have enjoyed this years TDF. Why? Because it's gone loco with speed and the comical aspect of blatantly suss performances is something to behold. All whilst seeing a bunch of fans and media gush over the outrageous performances. Where these commentators directly or indirectly benefit, they will not question it.

My belief is, it's as dirty as ever. And with UAE money now coming in to the sport, the UCI who have shown themselves [[deleted:GRAPES]] more than happy with this money tap. They will therefore turn a blind eye to doping, and cover for the stars who bring the sponsorship money and fans. Even WADA are showing their culpability after the recent 23 Chinese swimmers.

My bubble was burst after the LA years, and I now watch it for entertainment and not wishing for clean sport (I feel way better for it). Time to turn over to the next freak show commencing in Paris.
 
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Yes, my passion has greatly diminished over the years. Passion for tdf has always been pretty low for me. I abandoned it completely during the Armstrong years. Then enjoyed the period after, only to have it destroyed by the Sky era. That was definitely the worst - I found it kind of offensive.

In the end though, it's probably aesthetics more than anything ethical. High octane late 90's was kind of awesome. So I'm in the "It's okay if Pantani does it" camp. Very incoherent. But passions are passions, they ain't reasonable.
 
So clearly nothing to do with this? [[content deleted]]

@Rackham what does the jury say, still dont hold water? Are we ready to conclude with some objectivity or not? Just have fun ive said what ive said its true took me 2min after the lies continued to check it and woops who woulda thought...

I'll talk about myself here for a second, i.e. I've always been someone who pretty much understands there's a 'man behind the curtain' in pro-sports which the viewers don't need to see. But he exists, whether folk want to pretend he does or doesn't. In cycling's case, the aforementioned "man behind the curtain" is the fact in my opinion you can't climb an HC col at racing speed without a little assistance. In that respect I don't believe much has changed since Jacques Anquetil famously said back in the 1960's "you have to be an idiot to imagine a rider can race 235 days a year without stimulants".

Vingegaard, Pog, Rog & Evenepoel (to name just them) aren't doing anything their forbears didn't do themselves. Tous dopés, without exception, bar a few brave souls who quickly bailed when they realized the sport is literally impossible to endure & survive without a medical program.

So what's going on here in cycling in the 2020's? A mirror reflection of modern society & other sport's inequalities, that's what's happening. That's why the model is currently broken as well. UAE, Jumbo, Quick-Step & probably Red Bull soon enough have methods which are evidently head & shoulders above the rest - along with the economic & political (certainly in UAE's case) power to make whatever they're doing 'stick'.

In football there's a thing called financial doping. In cycling, there's literal better doping due to the financials of the team. They have the best doctors, the best programs & the best of everything. The best friends in high places as well. Hooray for them, too bad for everyone else. But as a spectator it makes the 'entertainment' value as exciting as watching Manchester City put 5 goals past some hapless mid-table club in the English premier league again, again & again.

That's the way I see it. Whatever Pog, Gianetti & their people are doing is pretty much the greatest doping program in the sport right now.
 
So clearly nothing to do with this? [[content deleted]]

@Rackham what does the jury say, still dont hold water? Are we ready to conclude with some objectivity or not? Just have fun ive said what ive said its true took me 2min after the lies continued to check it and woops who woulda thought...
Anyone can go through my posts history and can see I was never a Vingegard fan. I have years of hating on Vingegard and Visma . You must be new in the forum.

I simply understood halfway through the tour that there could only be two riders who won, and I had really come to detest the way Pogacar conducted himself in interviews. I hoped Jonas was able to beat him. That's why I made that comment in that moment.

It should be pretty clear to everyone that Im not a fan of Vingegard and really don't like his team. This thread is not a result of the last 3 weeks, but rather the last few summers. Visma rentbike has contributed just as much, if not more, to this, as UAE.
 
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He's a famous Fausto Masnada fan; so it's not like he's used to his favorite rider ever winning anything (in fact nothing), ergo your theory doesn't really hold water.

And aren't fans of the top 3 all happy anyway? Pog because he won, Vingegaard because he came back from injury & Evenepoel because he got on the podium.

Whoop-de-doo now let's all hold hands & sing kumbaya whilst human evolution, bike tech & nutrition pushes the boundaries of what's humanely possible on a bike... in 3 teams only.
They're the only team to have those tapered head tubes, right?

Great point! Tech advances...but only for 3 teams!
 
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Whoop-de-doo now let's all hold hands & sing kumbaya whilst human evolution, bike tech & nutrition pushes the boundaries of what's humanely possible on a bike... in 3 teams only.

Especially human evolution is known to react directly to sports fans demands, so it perfectly makes sense that it impacts these teams only, and this is also amplified by bad wishes working in reverse, so the hate for the big 3 dominance fuels their evolution. So if you ever wondered what is going on with Vingegaards skull form, be aware that he is probably channeling the same evolution energy ancient pharaos did, known for weid skull forms. In 5 years, with enough hate and love (in Vingos case ofc the famous Wings of Love), he might look like Nophretete. Probably he already sleeps in a contraption that keeps his skull from morphing even further, but how long it will help against the evolutionary pressure, no one knows.
 
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I used to care quite a bit about anti-doping, but honestly caring only makes sense when change does look like a realistic possibility and when there's people inside the sport actually fighting for it. That hasn't been the case in quite a few years, so whatever. Have at it. Just remember to get up every now and then at night to walk around the bedroom for a bit and get that blood coursing just in case

I'm still going to point at laugh when something breaks my suspension of disbelief though
 
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I have the same feelings.
In four years everything was destroyed, unwritten rules, history. Beille is the tip of the iceberg, a point of no return.

(that's a strong word) but after this TDF I feel like I've been raped.
If I follow cycling again I will only do it for guys like Bardet (or Pinot, retired)
 
at this point

Just legalize it. Set specifications like a hematocrit limit. Everyone needs to stay within spec or they get a 10 minute penalty. No exceptions

Where I draw the line is the truly dangerous stuff like CO huffing or things that fundamentally change the sport, like motors. Using pharma products under a physician's supervision? Have at it boys!
 
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nah. the first tour de france i watched was 2006, and that hooked me. if people doing blatantly illegal crap in cycling bothered me, i would have switched the TV off roughly the 5th time Michael Rasmussen went on an insane solo.
 
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He's a famous Fausto Masnada fan; so it's not like he's used to his favorite rider ever winning anything (in fact nothing), ergo your theory doesn't really hold water.

And aren't fans of the top 3 all happy anyway? Pog because he won, Vingegaard because he came back from injury & Evenepoel because he got on the podium.

Whoop-de-doo now let's all hold hands & sing kumbaya whilst human evolution, bike tech & nutrition pushes the boundaries of what's humanely possible on a bike... in 3 teams only.
oh it's gonna be four teams soon. do you think a company like Red Bull is going to sit by and not get the gas pump turned on?
 
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