Allen Lim?

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

..like the chinese female runners in the late 90s on the beetroot

WRONG!!

Ma's Army ran on turtle blood soup

WRONG

I had heard from the NorthKorean government source that they were supplying the China Ma's Army with some ginsingroot never before unearthed.

As for Lim I think they have moved on to the gluten free coffee wafers.

rasmussen's white cakes and heroin

 

[veganrob]

It would be so good if Lim got busted.

 

[jens_attacks]

Re:

Floyd's TdF win based on 3-5 climbs has the lowest average power W/kg for the last 20 years or so.

You have to analyze every climb, only final ones is not reliable at all
That tour was for instance much more impressive than the last ones in terms of climbing performances
And of course, the morzine raid-one of the most brutal EVER.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

What Dear Wiggo said. Thermoregulation modification is no joke.

It's unfortunate that legit performance enhancement methods get tarred with the doping brush but it is understandable when they are used in conjunction with doping, or when mentioned by dopers as something they do. Doping isn't the only way to improve performance so it make sense these guys will use a combination of options. It's hard to parse out what proportion of performance would be due to various legitimate and illegitimate factors. So while doping is obviously a factor, cooling on very hot days does make an important difference to performance.

I've had a race experience when in a break on a filthy hot Aussie summer day where I had the opportunity to regularly douse myself with cold water from supplied bidons. It worked very, very well.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

What Dear Wiggo said. Thermoregulation modification is no joke.

I've had a race experience when in a break on a filthy hot Aussie summer day where I had the opportunity to regularly douse myself with cold water from supplied bidons. It worked very, very well.

My experience with cold water mid-race says it makes a massive difference to my performance (it was in the break on a hilly course). And that was just drinking it. If I had ongoing cold water to pour over my head / torso to cool my core down, I think the nett effect over a mountain stage would be astounding.

But my undercarriage would probably suffer terribly being soaked and pedaling hard all day.

The issue I have with it is that they had that many bottles in the car to start with, given the car followed Floyd for the entire race post-break. Not that it would be impossible, but how did they keep it icy (I know car fridges but 70 bottles is an army of such fridges).

 

[Dear Wiggo]

My guess: it was 10-12 bottles or some more realistic number and not the 70 claimed.

 

[jens_attacks]

Watch the stage. I think at least 30 you see live on camera. Every commentator spotted it

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re:

Watch the stage. I think at least 30 you see live on camera. Every commentator spotted it

Do you think there were 70 as claimed?

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

I don't know how many bidons, but on some stages teams occasionally arrange for a restocking point set up on the course - e.g. those that do feed zone duties sometimes have fresh supplies for team car if needed

 

[turtle420]

i have worked on a world tour team staff for a few years, delivering 70 very cold bottles to a rider is a pretty strange thing to do, but in organizational terms absolutely no problem at all if the vehicle was dedicated to that one rider alone and planned in advance. in fact as a mechanic that would probably be the least stressful day of the whole tour. you would need a fair bit of space and a much larger amount of ice than usual but if that car was for just one rider then no problem as you wouldn't have to carry so many wheels in the back as wheels take up the most space in the car. i should add that you also couldn't have a guest/VIP in that car in that situation which in some situations may be a problem for the management.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

i have worked on a world tour team staff for a few years, delivering 70 very cold bottles to a rider is a pretty strange thing to do, but in organizational terms absolutely no problem at all if the vehicle was dedicated to that one rider alone and planned in advance. in fact as a mechanic that would probably be the least stressful day of the whole tour. you would need a fair bit of space and a much larger amount of ice than usual but if that car was for just one rider then no problem as you wouldn't have to carry so many wheels in the back as wheels take up the most space in the car. i should add that you also couldn't have a guest/VIP in that car in that situation which in some situations may be a problem for the management.

Cheers hardshell dude.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

The issue I have with it is that they had that many bottles in the car to start with, given the car followed Floyd for the entire race post-break. Not that it would be impossible, but how did they keep it icy (I know car fridges but 70 bottles is an army of such fridges).

We used big coolers that could hold probably around 40 bottles. Keep the bottles in the fridge over night. Cover them with ice in the cooler. They would stay cold all day in near 100 degree weather.

Preparing 2 coolers like that would not be difficult.

 

[blackcat]

What Dear Wiggo said. Thermoregulation modification is no joke.

It's unfortunate that legit performance enhancement methods get tarred with the doping brush but it is understandable when they are used in conjunction with doping, or when mentioned by dopers as something they do. Doping isn't the only way to improve performance so it make sense these guys will use a combination of options. It's hard to parse out what proportion of performance would be due to various legitimate and illegitimate factors. So while doping is obviously a factor, cooling on very hot days does make an important difference to performance.

I've had a race experience when in a break on a filthy hot Aussie summer day where I had the opportunity to regularly douse myself with cold water from supplied bidons. It worked very, very well.

right.

and the thing about this stage was, when the peloton allowed Floyd the 10 minute rope by just turning the legs over and allowing the domestiques to set the tempo, even allowing FL to take 10 minutes of free time up the road, FL could still achieve this 10 minutes as tempo, well under his FTP. And the stage is up and down and up and down, the aero coefficient is almost immaterial, it is certainly less material than the psychological element of allowing the peloton to ride your tempo, instead of the psychological element of riding with your nose in the wind.

But FL was on, he could easily channel this psychological barrier and cross the psychological "gap", that was not gonna cost him any watts or calories so he would go hunger flat.

One advantage, actually two, one was riding his own tempo. (and FL was a Savoldelli type descender too), Savoldelli, Nibali, Sagan, Cancellara, FL, all descend on a similar level.

And the bidons. So he could maintain some lower temperature. But it would be lessened, if he had to carry an extra 1kg of liquid in his clothes not yet evaporated.

other riders in the chasing GC group, not able to avail themselves of this advantage, and descending at a lesser speed too

 

[blackcat]

but how did they keep it icy (I know car fridges but 70 bottles is an army of such fridges).

i think you could easily get 70 bidons in two esky/fridge(s) in the trunk/boot of a car.

The did say they were frozen if I remember correctly.

In this case, I would actually offer Lim some devious prescience, and credit.

and yes, a tad contradictory and hypocritical of la pussie noir, since i have been bagging him for his
thermo-regulation frozen bidons hail mary from heaven.

and the hail mary reference is the american football reference, and joe montana going deep in the last 5 minutes of the game

 

[blackcat]

thnx turtle420, like DW said... p'raps hang around too for more contributions

 

[Irondan]

i have worked on a world tour team staff for a few years, delivering 70 very cold bottles to a rider is a pretty strange thing to do, but in organizational terms absolutely no problem at all if the vehicle was dedicated to that one rider alone and planned in advance. in fact as a mechanic that would probably be the least stressful day of the whole tour. you would need a fair bit of space and a much larger amount of ice than usual but if that car was for just one rider then no problem as you wouldn't have to carry so many wheels in the back as wheels take up the most space in the car. i should add that you also couldn't have a guest/VIP in that car in that situation which in some situations may be a problem for the management.

Welcome turtle.

You have a unique perspective as to your experience on staff of world tour teams.

Feel free to chime in anytime.

 

[turtle420]

Welcome turtle.

You have a unique perspective as to your experience on staff of world tour teams.

Feel free to chime in anytime.

will do, i have been reading this forum for a few years and it is always entertaining. but please dont bother asking me if i have some amazing insight into how doping on tour works because i honestly have no idea. i would guess that on the big tours i have worked on probably half the riders wouldnt even know my name.

back on the topic of bidons, i forgot to put the coolers in the back of the car once.

 

[blackcat]

Welcome turtle.

You have a unique perspective as to your experience on staff of world tour teams.

Feel free to chime in anytime.

will do, i have been reading this forum for a few years and it is always entertaining. but please dont bother asking me if i have some amazing insight into how doping on tour works because i honestly have no idea. i would guess that on the big tours i have worked on probably half the riders wouldnt even know my name.

back on the topic of bidons, i forgot to put the coolers in the back of the car once.

no Lim, no marginal gains

 

[woodburn]

Is this a typo? Did he somehow talk USADA out of punishment?

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Over the past two years, the media have followed Phinney's progress in rehabilitating his leg, and he's been frank and honest about how difficult the process has been. Perhaps it was the inspiration of the Olympic Games, or the support of his family and friends like Allan Lim, Mike Friedman and brothers Lachlan and Gus Morton who helped him simulate race pace, but the muscle imbalances and pain that have plagued him for so long were absent in Rio.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-laser-focused-on-olympic-medal-in-the-time-trial/

 

[sniper]

Is this a typo? Did he somehow talk USADA out of punishment?

--

Over the past two years, the media have followed Phinney's progress in rehabilitating his leg, and he's been frank and honest about how difficult the process has been. Perhaps it was the inspiration of the Olympic Games, or the support of his family and friends like Allan Lim, Mike Friedman and brothers Lachlan and Gus Morton who helped him simulate race pace, but the muscle imbalances and pain that have plagued him for so long were absent in Rio.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-laser-focused-on-olympic-medal-in-the-time-trial/

It's probably 'our' Lim. His first name has like five different spellings.

Did USADA ever punish Lim? I don't think so (?).
Lim possesses the single most valuable asset in the game of procycling: knowing how to gear up riders.
With that knowledge you'll always be wanted in procycling. Look at the likes of Yates, Riis, Vaughters, Knaven, etc.

Phinney is a doper like his parents. Sad but clearly true.

 

[Cannibal72]

Didn't Vaughters make some comments aboit being very disapppointed in Phinney which strongly implied doping? After he went to Armstrong's team?

 

[Benotti69]

Didn't Vaughters make some comments aboit being very disapppointed in Phinney which strongly implied doping? After he went to Armstrong's team?

Vaughters is extremely personal. If he dont like you he makes that clear.

Take Lachlan Morton, won Tour of Utah, was a former young rider of JV/Slipstream and not a word of congrats.

His comments about Armistead were again very personal.

Lim has a long history with dopers and doping teams.

 

[therhodeo]

Isn't Phinney rumored to be going to Vaughters team though?

 

[This Charming Man]

Didn't Vaughters make some comments aboit being very disapppointed in Phinney which strongly implied doping? After he went to Armstrong's team?

JV, master of spin, probably has the same handlers as Clinton and Armstrong (Lance) Anyone who takes him seriously...what?

 

[thehog]

Didn't Vaughters make some comments aboit being very disapppointed in Phinney which strongly implied doping? After he went to Armstrong's team?

Phinney went to the Livestrong team. Vaughters wanted him then to join the shitty Slipteam team. He got Wiggins instead! But later Phinney left to BMC. He wanted to tell Lance in person but Lance was in a meeting with John Kerry at the time. Lance thought he'd sign with RadioDadShack. The pull of clean Och was too much.

The guy gets so much press for someone who has done next to nothing but paint pictures of the sea and trees.