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Allergies, Gastoenteritis and Diarrhoea

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I have just found a bit odd that many riders have pulled out of races during the season due to Allergies, Gastoenteritis and Diarrhoea.

When they have pulled out of races, is it a possibility it could be to do with blood doping or PED's at all? Or that they are pulling out because they have stuffed up the time of their doping and don't want to get caught?

Here are some names of riders who have used an excuse like listed above.
Pettacchi

Vaugrenard
A. Schleck
Hushovd
Wiggins
Boasson Hagen
Lorenzetto
Pozzatto
Frohlinger
van Avermaet
Gilbert
Elijzen
Scherlinckx
Cretskens
Armstrong

(Sorry, I don't expertise in the area of doping in science.)
 
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There has been a vomiting virus going round in the early season, and just like normal people, riders can suffer allergies. Pollen counts are earlier and higher every year.

Of course any rider who wants a break for other reasons just picks something appropriate and believable....

backdated illnesses in relation to blood profile irregularities are far more interesting....
 
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Savoldelli suffered at the 2006 Giro due to his allergies with pollen. Even though he's a Ferrari client, he was no match for the client of Fuentes.

Off topic, LS, what team is that you have up as your avatar?
 

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auscyclefan94 said:
(Sorry, I don't expertise in the area of doping in science.)

seems a bit... negative.

Whilst the thought will naturally cross ones mind...why bother making allegations against specific cyclists that won't be proven by any thing written here- but will indeed tarnish those who may well be clean...

...maybe they decided that after a night of 5hitting, puking and sniffling they'd take a day off work.

what would you do?
 
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Fred Thistle said:
seems a bit... negative.

why bother making allegations that won't be proven by any thing written here- but does indeed tarnish those who may well be clean...

...maybe they decided that after a night of ****ting, puking and sniffling they'd take a day off work.

No, I was wondering if PED's may be a symptom of it and/or if it may be used as an excuse to pull out of races. There are some pretty big names on that list and a few have been linked to doping.
 
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53 x 11 said:
Maybe just a little crystal meth to keep them sharp and at the miroscopes.

USELESS THREAD.

There's no thread to put in general questions about the science of doping and I know many people on here have a vast knowledge of it.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
There's no thread to put in general questions about the science of doping and I know many people on here have a vast knowledge of it.

*facepalm*

I thought you were ignoring me after I offered you helpful advice....
 
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53 x 11 said:
*facepalm*

I thought you were ignoring me after I offered you helpful advice....

I didn't think it was fair to ignore you forever. Anyway, you lose the idea of what is going on when you have blocked a poster that is posting frequwntly in that thread.

Fred, please don not get angry with me. All I was asking was a simple question about Gastro and doping.

The Clinic is the only place on Cyclingnews where you can discuss doping-related issues. Ask questions, discuss positives or improvements to procedures.

I don't see how it was a "stupid" thread. I was asking a general question.
 
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Fred Thistle said:
sorry... but if you throw 5hit about...people can get 5hitty.

There are people on that list of yours that have friends, family and fans as sure about their integrity as you are of Cuddle's.

I've seen how you bite when people throw 5hit at him

Not throwing 5hit about. Armstrong and pettacchi have had links to PED's or had caseds against them. People openly hate and despise armstrong about it by throwng 5hit in their comments.
 
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I knew that Freire considering not riding the Giro due to allergies would earn a thread. Riders are real people. Some do have allergies, and asthma, and they've let it be known for years. They have to plan their lives around it like "normal people". And they're more limited in what they can take to deal with it, because things that help are on a banned list.

When Contador suffered for three kilometers due to an allergy, the OP called it a convenient excuse. Alberto didn't defend his Giro title due to the allergies, which he's discussed for years in Spanish media. Now Freire is obviously not looking for an excuse for a possibly poor performance because he might skip the event completely. And people here suspect ulterior motives for that? Oh yeah, he's Spanish!

I had one of the regular posters here tell me off, and try to intimidate me, for posting interviews from years past where Alberto talked about planning his race schedule around allergies. I had another person who had to be from here because it's where the whole Wheel Gate conversation existed, set up a twitter account named "CadelFan", with no followers or followees, threaten to contact an unemployment office if I didn't quit my "obsession" with the Wheel Gate story. By the way, a writer friend from Velonation was the only one to print that story in English.

So yeah, riders who are outside riding a hundred miles a day in all kinds of conditions can have problems worth allergies and asthma, just like marathon runners and other outdoor athletes. Has anyone here bothered to Google Freire and see if he's mentioned allergies in the past? Contador mentioned them after he WON the Giro after breaking his elbow in a crash a couple of days before the ITT. He obviously didn't need an excuse for winning a grand our. Was he just planting the seed a couple of years in advance in case he lost a minute in Criterium International some day?

If you don't like what I just wrote, add me to your ignore list (chances are you're already on mine) and don't try to threaten or intimidate me, or anyone else. And I don't have personal messages activated, but for any of you who have sent personal messages trying to intimidate newer members and protect the old boys network, shame on you.

It's like when Dimspace quit, and clearly stated his reasons for doing it, and someone here proclaimed he had quit because he was weak, and couldn't take it. Folks, this is an Internet forum, not the Navy Seals. You don't wash out of the forum because you can't take it, you leave, as I have before, because the negatives outweigh the positives, and who would go somewhere they don't have to knowing their day will be worse because of it?

I come here occasionally because I like to share info with other cycling fans. I used to do it posting articles and things on twitter as BloggingLance, and followers and I would chat about the stories. If I find a live race feed, I post it here. The same goes for articles, although these days I mostly limit those to Contador ones, which I post for other Contador fans. I appreciate when they do the same. But there are people here who have nothing positive to say about anyone, and they like to crap on the thread, or insult me (even though I never see it after the first occasion) or others.

It's a shame that there's so much negativity against new posters here. The place could use some fresh opinions to get rid of the group think. But Cycling News encouraged people to join the forum by posting a story about the Roubaix contest, and one person's first post consisted of podium picks, just three rider names, and someone hit them with a photo of a fail or a headslap. So, you end up with the same people outlasting hundreds of others, and they protect their turf with a pack mentality.

Have a great day :)
 
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theswordsman said:
I knew that Freire considering not riding the Giro due to allergies would earn a thread. Riders are real people. Some do have allergies, and asthma, and they've let it be known for years. They have to plan their lives around it like "normal people". And they're more limited in what they can take to deal with it, because things that help are on a banned list.

When Contador suffered for three kilometers due to an allergy, the OP called it a convenient excuse. Alberto didn't defend his Giro title due to the allergies, which he's discussed for years in Spanish media. Now Freire is obviously not looking for an excuse for a possibly poor performance because he might skip the event completely. And people here suspect ulterior motives for that? Oh yeah, he's Spanish!

I had one of the regular posters here tell me off, and try to intimidate me, for posting interviews from years past where Alberto talked about planning his race schedule around allergies. I had another person who had to be from here because it's where the whole Wheel Gate conversation existed, set up a twitter account named "CadelFan", with no followers or followees, threaten to contact an unemployment office if I didn't quit my "obsession" with the Wheel Gate story. By the way, a writer friend from Velonation was the only one to print that story in English.

So yeah, riders who are outside riding a hundred miles a day in all kinds of conditions can have problems worth allergies and asthma, just like marathon runners and other outdoor athletes. Has anyone here bothered to Google Freire and see if he's mentioned allergies in the past? Contador mentioned them after he WON the Giro after breaking his elbow in a crash a couple of days before the ITT. He obviously didn't need an excuse for winning a grand our. Was he just planting the seed a couple of years in advance in case he lost a minute in Criterium International some day?

If you don't like what I just wrote, add me to your ignore list (chances are you're already on mine) and don't try to threaten or intimidate me, or anyone else. And I don't have personal messages activated, but for any of you who have sent personal messages trying to intimidate newer members and protect the old boys network, shame on you.

It's like when Dimspace quit, and clearly stated his reasons for doing it, and someone here proclaimed he had quit because he was weak, and couldn't take it. Folks, this is an Internet forum, not the Navy Seals. You don't wash out of the forum because you can't take it, you leave, as I have before, because the negatives outweigh the positives, and who would go somewhere they don't have to knowing their day will be worse because of it?

I come here occasionally because I like to share info with other cycling fans. I used to do it posting articles and things on twitter as BloggingLance, and followers and I would chat about the stories. If I find a live race feed, I post it here. The same goes for articles, although these days I mostly limit those to Contador ones, which I post for other Contador fans. I appreciate when they do the same. But there are people here who have nothing positive to say about anyone, and they like to crap on the thread, or insult me (even though I never see it after the first occasion) or others.

It's a shame that there's so much negativity against new posters here. The place could use some fresh opinions to get rid of the group think. But Cycling News encouraged people to join the forum by posting a story about the Roubaix contest, and one person's first post consisted of podium picks, just three rider names, and someone hit them with a photo of a fail or a headslap. So, you end up with the same people outlasting hundreds of others, and they protect their turf with a pack mentality.

Have a great day :)
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CadelFan is not me. I agree that their is a pack mentality amongst some posters and if anyone goes against their stereotypical mentality or thinking they are called trolls and are mocked.
 
theswordsman said:
I knew that Freire considering not riding the Giro due to allergies would earn a thread. Riders are real people. Some do have allergies, and asthma, and they've let it be known for years. They have to plan their lives around it like "normal people". And they're more limited in what they can take to deal with it, because things that help are on a banned list.

When Contador suffered for three kilometers due to an allergy, the OP called it a convenient excuse. Alberto didn't defend his Giro title due to the allergies, which he's discussed for years in Spanish media. Now Freire is obviously not looking for an excuse for a possibly poor performance because he might skip the event completely. And people here suspect ulterior motives for that? Oh yeah, he's Spanish!

I had one of the regular posters here tell me off, and try to intimidate me, for posting interviews from years past where Alberto talked about planning his race schedule around allergies. I had another person who had to be from here because it's where the whole Wheel Gate conversation existed, set up a twitter account named "CadelFan", with no followers or followees, threaten to contact an unemployment office if I didn't quit my "obsession" with the Wheel Gate story. By the way, a writer friend from Velonation was the only one to print that story in English.

So yeah, riders who are outside riding a hundred miles a day in all kinds of conditions can have problems worth allergies and asthma, just like marathon runners and other outdoor athletes. Has anyone here bothered to Google Freire and see if he's mentioned allergies in the past? Contador mentioned them after he WON the Giro after breaking his elbow in a crash a couple of days before the ITT. He obviously didn't need an excuse for winning a grand our. Was he just planting the seed a couple of years in advance in case he lost a minute in Criterium International some day?

If you don't like what I just wrote, add me to your ignore list (chances are you're already on mine) and don't try to threaten or intimidate me, or anyone else. And I don't have personal messages activated, but for any of you who have sent personal messages trying to intimidate newer members and protect the old boys network, shame on you.

It's like when Dimspace quit, and clearly stated his reasons for doing it, and someone here proclaimed he had quit because he was weak, and couldn't take it. Folks, this is an Internet forum, not the Navy Seals. You don't wash out of the forum because you can't take it, you leave, as I have before, because the negatives outweigh the positives, and who would go somewhere they don't have to knowing their day will be worse because of it?

I come here occasionally because I like to share info with other cycling fans. I used to do it posting articles and things on twitter as BloggingLance, and followers and I would chat about the stories. If I find a live race feed, I post it here. The same goes for articles, although these days I mostly limit those to Contador ones, which I post for other Contador fans. I appreciate when they do the same. But there are people here who have nothing positive to say about anyone, and they like to crap on the thread, or insult me (even though I never see it after the first occasion) or others.

It's a shame that there's so much negativity against new posters here. The place could use some fresh opinions to get rid of the group think. But Cycling News encouraged people to join the forum by posting a story about the Roubaix contest, and one person's first post consisted of podium picks, just three rider names, and someone hit them with a photo of a fail or a headslap. So, you end up with the same people outlasting hundreds of others, and they protect their turf with a pack mentality.

Have a great day :)

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It's such a shame that people might question why so many riders have TUEs for asthma drugs. Shame of them for being so suspicious. Shame. Shame. Shame. How dare they suspect that bogus TUEs might be used to mask doping.
 
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theswordsman is one of the most informed, intelligent and constructive contributors to this forum. i have not seen him antagonizing anyone though i can't say i agree with everything he writes. it's not good to lose members like him.
 
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Aldag explains what it is like to have gastro in his report in news.read it
No one is stupid enough to bring that sort of thing on in desprate attempt to avoid doping control.

Another case of a dose of piles causing blood loss and need for iron and other legal substances to bring the blood count back up.

WADA and UCI have gone mad its time the riders went on strike again and put an end to all this crap.

You get sick you need the very best meds you can get WADA doctors have no idea what the paitent needs. they are not qualified Doctors mostly sport specialists who cant pass an exam to get a full medical degree.
 
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Sorry if someone else mentioned this....

RE allergies, one thing different this year is A CLOUD OF VOLCANIC ASH over Europe. How soon we forget. It could possibly effect some riders. Any similar reqactions in the population as a whole?

RE Instant on-off vomiting etc etc, do search on "Norwalk Virus" of "Norwalk Like Virus". Very possible, very plausible.