Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Cycling111]

Pogacar was cooked there. In a normal sprint, Pogacar would beat Vingegaard.
However, it is clear Vingegaard is more explosive than last year, he already mentioned he started training early in the season just to get more muscles and to be able to cope with Pogacar's vicious accelerations so I don't know why people still think he will get dropped in these small climbs.

Meanwhile, Pogacar has been saying for two years that he's less explosive in the Tour than in the Spring. This year, he again said he'd a preparation for spring and a different for the Tour, he'd lose his explosiveness to focus on the mountains.

Pogacar himself says this, but here they continue to insist that explosiveness is a reflection of what the rest of the Tour will be like.

 

[Cycling111]

There was the same vibe when visma were dominating penultimate climb of stage 6 dauphine & comes the final climb and it was narvaez, wellens, pog & vingegaard left & next day it was sivakov who dropped everyone even remco before pogs attack. I think uae team is a bit underestimated this tour & if almeida was in the race we would have seen him, pog & jonas alone in the high mountains

I've already said that the Dauphiné day is misleading.

The entire UAE team was dropped on the long climb. They came back because Visma slowed pace, but that won't happen in the Tour.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Meanwhile, Pogacar has been saying for two years that he's less explosive in the Tour than in the Spring. This year, he again said he'd a preparation for spring and a different for the Tour, he'd lose his explosiveness to focus on the mountains.

Pogacar himself says this, but here they continue to insist that explosiveness is a reflection of what the rest of the Tour will be like.

Yeah, Hautacam will give us a clear picture. If not, there is no hiding and no wheel to follow in the MTT.

 

[yaf2]

I'm not saying dropped (I don't know) but definitely would tire him more than Matteo for example.

Then i said once u made sure vingegaard doesn't have a satellite rider which would give him a 3 vs 1 advantage in the final, ease up give the break 10 minutes & recover. In that way u will make visma panic & if they want to control the stage good for them they're burning matches in the process

 

[Peyroteo94]

Meanwhile, Pogacar has been saying for two years that he's less explosive in the Tour than in the Spring. This year, he again said he'd a preparation for spring and a different for the Tour, he'd lose his explosiveness to focus on the mountains.

Pogacar himself says this, but here they continue to insist that explosiveness is a reflection of what the rest of the Tour will be like.

And we saw in the Dauphine where he can and will shine.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Pogi resting his engine for Hautacam

 

[Cycling111]

I think the Hautacam stage will be disappointing because it's the day before Peyragudes ITT.

Although perhaps UAE should pull because Vingegaard had a poor time trial the other day, probably because Pogacar pushed him too hard.

Everyone says Visma needs to tire Pogacar out, but no one is taking into account that Vingegaard had a worse time trial than expected after a day in which Pogacar pushed him to the limit.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogi resting his engine for Hautacam

2 days man! This is where he can win the Tour!

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think the Hautacam stage will be disappointing because it's the day before Peyragudes ITT.

Although perhaps UAE should pull because Vingegaard had a poor time trial the other day, probably because Pogacar pushed him too hard.

Everyone says Visma needs to tire Pogacar out, but no one is taking into account that Vingegaard had a worse time trial than expected after a day in which Pogacar pushed him to the limit.

Nah, first real test, no way UAE will wait for the MTT.

 

[Peyroteo94]

"The only issue was Pavel Sivakov" - Mauro Gianetti sees concern within UAE's Tour de France ranks

With Joao Almeida having abandoned, the rest of UAE Team Emirates - XRG's Tour de France squad is required to step up in the quest to support Tadej Pogacar's fight for the Maillot Jaune. On stage 10 h...

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[Cycling111]

Nah, first real test, no way UAE will wait for the MTT.

Without Almeida, and with Sivakov sick, they may have no choice but to wait another day. I think it will depend more on Visma.

UAE doesn't have the to do a hard stage. They need Sivakov back.

 

[CyclistAbi]

When bonding with other three Slovenians in the peloton they mostly talked about shaved arms and retirement. When journalist asked on what he looks forward to the most, rest day, there was one thing that stood out and that is not talking to the journalists.

 

[Kedjan]

"The only issue was Pavel Sivakov" - Mauro Gianetti sees concern within UAE's Tour de France ranks

With Joao Almeida having abandoned, the rest of UAE Team Emirates - XRG's Tour de France squad is required to step up in the quest to support Tadej Pogacar's fight for the Maillot Jaune. On stage 10 h...

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So they don't expect more from A Yates?!

Other doms where great however. Especially Wellens, best dom in the tour, and Narvaez.

 

[Jack_89]

Nah, first real test, no way UAE will wait for the MTT.

Plus he want to take revenge and he can't wait Superbagneres cause of t the team

 

[Kedjan]

Pog better deliever on Hautacam. The expectations are so high.

I fear a collective breakdown among Pogi fans if Vinge is able to follow.

 

[Cycling111]

So they don't expect more from A Yates?!

Other doms where great however. Especially Wellens, best dom in the tour, and Narvaez.

If they don't expect more from Adam, I don't understand how they brought him to the Tour. Majka did a better Giro than him.

Pog better deliever on Hautacam. The expectations are so high.

Pog better deliever on Hautacam. The expectations are so high.

I fear a collective breakdown among Pogi fans if Vinge is able to follow.

That's no use to Vingegaard, he needs to droppe Pogacar.

 

[Kedjan]

If they don't expect more from Adam, I don't understand how they brought him to the Tour. Majka did a better Giro than him.

Pog better deliever on Hautacam. The expectations are so high.


That's no use to Vingegaard, he needs to droppe Pogacar.

I think it is of use because that will strengthen Vinge's confidence. Right now, he needs to prove he can actually follow a Pog who goes all out on a long climb. If he can do that, and if there is some truth to the strategy that Pog might tire some in the 3rd week, well, then he will (and must) attack in later stages.

And also, being able to actually follow Pog might frustate Pog, because he wants to dominate Vinge. That in turn might get Pog to try harder and wear himself down in the process.

I think stage 12 is absolutely crucial for Vinge. He know Pog will attack on Hautacam, if he can follow he might have a small chance of winning the tour. If Pog rides away, tour is more or less over.

My precdiction is Pog distancing Vinge, but not by more than 25s. I also think Pog will take 30s in the MTT. And from thereon he will ride conservatively, if he feels Vinge is quite strong, and only attack late.

 

[Gingivitis]

Sure?

Almeida was the only one superior climber to them in this Tour. Narvaez is going to disappear in the high mountains.

Adam has been doing poorly all year. Kuss has been doing poorly for two years, but yesterday he lost less time than Adam, having worked more.

Simon will be better than his brother, and Jorenson too.

Sivakov won't be better than them, and it remains to be seen whether he'll be better than Kuss if he recovers.

Yesterday, Campenaerts had his best performance of the year. Visma always has the best performances from its riders in the Tour.
UAE has the performance it has during the year, Adam and Sivakov in the mountains are not going to improve much.

While I don't have much hope that A.Yates will be of use to Pogačar, I seem to remember that when Jorgensen attacked both A.Yates and Kuss and I'll add Narvaez were together in the dropped group.
I did not see much of them to be sure, but when I did, UAE guys were not pulling to get back. It could be that they did not have the power or maybe they were not asked to as Tadej had only downhill and 3k to go.
After that, it really makes no difference how much behind they finished.

Similar thoughts of Simon Yates... I do not know how hard he was going for the stage when he attacked but he got all of 10 secs on Arensman. Unless he was doing just enough to win, my guess is he does not have much to offer for Visma train. I see him more useful as a satellite rider.

 

[scribers]

Pog better deliever on Hautacam. The expectations are so high.

I fear a collective breakdown among Pogi fans if Vinge is able to follow.

Zero interest actually. Pog can win the tour by 1:17 for all I care. I prefer Pog sit back and force Vingo to attack (or not). That’s quality entertainment

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Pog better deliever on Hautacam. The expectations are so high.

I fear a collective breakdown among Pogi fans if Vinge is able to follow.

So...guess what happens if all Vingo does is "follow" all the way to Paris?

 

[MarioeTheo]

So...guess what happens if all Vingo does is "follow" all the way to Paris?

Pogi doesn't have the patience to wait and just wheelsuck.
IMHO, he wants to dominate Vini.

So, we should expect fireworks on Thursday.

 

[Miha81]

So...guess what happens if all Vingo does is "follow" all the way to Paris?

TJV will wear him down in stage 22. Oh, wait?

 

[scribers]

Pogi doesn't have the patience to wait and just wheelsuck.
IMHO, he wants to dominate Vini.

So, we should expect fireworks on Thursday.

You don’t gap someone by more than a minute wheelsucking. lol

 

[Kedjan]

So...guess what happens if all Vingo does is "follow" all the way to Paris?

My point was of course that many Pogi fans have been talkning up Hautacam stage as stage where Pog will deliver the knockout blow. And if it doesn't happen they will probably be disappointed, understandably. They usually like to see Pog dominate and are probably a bit frustrated that he hasn't dropped Vinge already.

If Vinge can follow an attacking Pog on Hautacam it will be a huge achievement, especially given how strong Pog has been in the mountains. It will prove that Vinge also has reached a higher level.

But obviously it's not enough to just follow Pog, even if that is impressive in itself, he must also distance Pog. And that will be hard and I'm not that hopeful he can do it, certainly not on Hautacam. I still believe that Vinge's best chance, if he has any, are on really hard mountain stages (14, 18, 19), but I'm not certain this is true anymore.

 

[MarioeTheo]

You don’t gap someone by more than a minute wheelsucking. lol

Of course, that's not in his DNA.
He can't and won't act like Vini.
He doesn't want to win only, he wants to smash Vini.

So for better or worse, he will attack and impose his will.
I just want to see a total annihilation on Thursday. I just want to see Vini crying like last year, knowing he doesn't have what it takes to win again. That's what I expect.

And then, Vini cracking mentally in the MTT.

Pure joy and happiness.