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Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

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Cycling111 said:
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You have several examples in Tirreno or Paris-Nice, Tour 2021. But even in the 2023 Tour, with Pogacar with a worse preparation , he droppe him in three stages. That's why Combloux was so surprising, because Pogacar wasn't being inferior to him.

In fact, outside of the Tour, Vingegaard only beat Pogacar in Itzulia 2021 because the useless UAE car made him McNulty's domestique.

Vingegaard is very Armstrong-like in that sense. So much so that they call Pogacar TikTok, but it's Vingegaard the most similar rider to Armstrong, who has never been better than Pogacar outside of the Tour and who increases his performance in the Tour. It's a bit similar to cycling from that era, with Ferrari's method of performing much better in the Tour.

I'm not saying this for clinical reasons; it's just the way it is. Vingegaard hasn't won a single race against Pogacar outside of the Tour. He's only finished ahead, with Pogacar serving as McNulty's domestique, due to an incomprehensible decision by the UAE. In the others he has been widely surpassed by Pogacar.
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Vingegaard is dropped in any climb outside the Tour (I don't know about June too) against Pogacar. But in the Tour, tell me a hill where Pogacar dropped Vingegaard. He didn't in 2023 (Basque Country) and he didn't in 2022 (for example Mende).
 
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Pogacar was cooked there. In a normal sprint, Pogacar would beat Vingegaard.
However, it is clear Vingegaard is more explosive than last year, he already mentioned he started training early in the season just to get more muscles and to be able to cope with Pogacar's vicious accelerations so I don't know why people still think he will get dropped in these small climbs.
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Meanwhile, Pogacar has been saying for two years that he's less explosive in the Tour than in the Spring. This year, he again said he'd a preparation for spring and a different for the Tour, he'd lose his explosiveness to focus on the mountains.

Pogacar himself says this, but here they continue to insist that explosiveness is a reflection of what the rest of the Tour will be like.
 
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yaf2 said:
There was the same vibe when visma were dominating penultimate climb of stage 6 dauphine & comes the final climb and it was narvaez, wellens, pog & vingegaard left & next day it was sivakov who dropped everyone even remco before pogs attack. I think uae team is a bit underestimated this tour & if almeida was in the race we would have seen him, pog & jonas alone in the high mountains
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I've already said that the Dauphiné day is misleading.

The entire UAE team was dropped on the long climb. They came back because Visma slowed pace, but that won't happen in the Tour.
 
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Cycling111 said:
Meanwhile, Pogacar has been saying for two years that he's less explosive in the Tour than in the Spring. This year, he again said he'd a preparation for spring and a different for the Tour, he'd lose his explosiveness to focus on the mountains.

Pogacar himself says this, but here they continue to insist that explosiveness is a reflection of what the rest of the Tour will be like.
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Yeah, Hautacam will give us a clear picture. If not, there is no hiding and no wheel to follow in the MTT.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
I'm not saying dropped (I don't know) but definitely would tire him more than Matteo for example.
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Then i said once u made sure vingegaard doesn't have a satellite rider which would give him a 3 vs 1 advantage in the final, ease up give the break 10 minutes & recover. In that way u will make visma panic & if they want to control the stage good for them they're burning matches in the process
 
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Cycling111 said:
Meanwhile, Pogacar has been saying for two years that he's less explosive in the Tour than in the Spring. This year, he again said he'd a preparation for spring and a different for the Tour, he'd lose his explosiveness to focus on the mountains.

Pogacar himself says this, but here they continue to insist that explosiveness is a reflection of what the rest of the Tour will be like.
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And we saw in the Dauphine where he can and will shine.
 
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Pogi resting his engine for Hautacam


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I think the Hautacam stage will be disappointing because it's the day before Peyragudes ITT.

Although perhaps UAE should pull because Vingegaard had a poor time trial the other day, probably because Pogacar pushed him too hard.

Everyone says Visma needs to tire Pogacar out, but no one is taking into account that Vingegaard had a worse time trial than expected after a day in which Pogacar pushed him to the limit.
 
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Cycling111 said:
I think the Hautacam stage will be disappointing because it's the day before Peyragudes ITT.

Although perhaps UAE should pull because Vingegaard had a poor time trial the other day, probably because Pogacar pushed him too hard.

Everyone says Visma needs to tire Pogacar out, but no one is taking into account that Vingegaard had a worse time trial than expected after a day in which Pogacar pushed him to the limit.
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Nah, first real test, no way UAE will wait for the MTT.
 
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When bonding with other three Slovenians in the peloton they mostly talked about shaved arms and retirement. When journalist asked on what he looks forward to the most, rest day, there was one thing that stood out and that is not talking to the journalists.
 
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Kedjan said:
So they don't expect more from A Yates?!

Other doms where great however. Especially Wellens, best dom in the tour, and Narvaez.
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If they don't expect more from Adam, I don't understand how they brought him to the Tour. Majka did a better Giro than him.

Pog better deliever on Hautacam. The expectations are so high.

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Pog better deliever on Hautacam. The expectations are so high.

I fear a collective breakdown among Pogi fans if Vinge is able to follow. ;)
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That's no use to Vingegaard, he needs to droppe Pogacar.
 
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Cycling111 said:
If they don't expect more from Adam, I don't understand how they brought him to the Tour. Majka did a better Giro than him.

Pog better deliever on Hautacam. The expectations are so high.


That's no use to Vingegaard, he needs to droppe Pogacar.
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I think it is of use because that will strengthen Vinge's confidence. Right now, he needs to prove he can actually follow a Pog who goes all out on a long climb. If he can do that, and if there is some truth to the strategy that Pog might tire some in the 3rd week, well, then he will (and must) attack in later stages.

And also, being able to actually follow Pog might frustate Pog, because he wants to dominate Vinge. That in turn might get Pog to try harder and wear himself down in the process.

I think stage 12 is absolutely crucial for Vinge. He know Pog will attack on Hautacam, if he can follow he might have a small chance of winning the tour. If Pog rides away, tour is more or less over.

My precdiction is Pog distancing Vinge, but not by more than 25s. I also think Pog will take 30s in the MTT. And from thereon he will ride conservatively, if he feels Vinge is quite strong, and only attack late.
 
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Cycling111 said:
Sure?

Almeida was the only one superior climber to them in this Tour. Narvaez is going to disappear in the high mountains.

Adam has been doing poorly all year. Kuss has been doing poorly for two years, but yesterday he lost less time than Adam, having worked more.

Simon will be better than his brother, and Jorenson too.

Sivakov won't be better than them, and it remains to be seen whether he'll be better than Kuss if he recovers.

Yesterday, Campenaerts had his best performance of the year. Visma always has the best performances from its riders in the Tour.
UAE has the performance it has during the year, Adam and Sivakov in the mountains are not going to improve much.
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While I don't have much hope that A.Yates will be of use to Pogačar, I seem to remember that when Jorgensen attacked both A.Yates and Kuss and I'll add Narvaez were together in the dropped group.
I did not see much of them to be sure, but when I did, UAE guys were not pulling to get back. It could be that they did not have the power or maybe they were not asked to as Tadej had only downhill and 3k to go.
After that, it really makes no difference how much behind they finished.

Similar thoughts of Simon Yates... I do not know how hard he was going for the stage when he attacked but he got all of 10 secs on Arensman. Unless he was doing just enough to win, my guess is he does not have much to offer for Visma train. I see him more useful as a satellite rider.
 
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