'Allo 'Allo! No blood testing at the ToC

[Havetts]

Dont see what allo allo has to do with pro cycling. Allo allo was a comedy show with a series of farcical situations and incompetence...

You basically just explained what it has to do with Pro Cycling and the UCI

 

[The Hitch]

Just read the news. This is a disgrace. No wonder why I have not seen positives lately. No data, No positives. It is cheaper, no bad press and everybody wins.

Works for all the "major" sports.

 

[BillytheKid]

Works for all the "major" sports.

Maybe one day adults will actually run sport? Nah!

 

[thehog]

Andy schleck was pretty bad at the ToC, not doping?

He was hardly going to waste a blood bag on tthe ToC let alone get it shipped to the US.

 

[Berzin]

This would be news if the suspicious riders in question knew there would be no testing at these races beforehand.

I'm sure Bruyneel had insider information on this, which is why the Radio Shack 1-2 with Horner and Leipheimer on one of the mountain stages at the ToC came off the way it did.

 

[Poursuivant]

Ridiculous.

 

[Anonymous]

"Then there was a press conference and there was the comment about the fox guarding the henhouse. McQuaid went crazy and demanded an apology. One wasn't forthcoming and there was a huge thing. It was seen as an affront to Pat McQuaid's honour and *** edited by mod *** the sport if Pat McQuaid's honour is impeached."

That fat piece of *** has to go. He is an embarrassment to humanity, not to mention cycling.

Don't blame me, blame the company who owns this site.

 

[Boeing]

what exactly is the reasoning in that article. my adhd kicked in a bit early

 

[ancientdude]

Well we know that Radioschack got the memo!!!
Holy **** Leipheimer and Horner, you cheating old *******s - stealing my contracts with good old fashioned juicing.

 

[Boeing]

Well we know that Radioschack got the memo!!!
Holy **** Leipheimer and Horner, you cheating old *******s - stealing my contracts with good old fashioned juicing.

nice post but is it about you now too?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Dont see what allo allo has to do with pro cycling. Allo allo was a comedy show with a series of farcical situations and incompetence...

sarcasm detector just went off

 

[DirtyWorks]

"Then there was a press conference and there was the comment about the fox guarding the henhouse. McQuaid went crazy and demanded an apology. One wasn't forthcoming and there was a huge thing. It was seen as an affront to Pat McQuaid's honour and *** edited by mod *** the sport if Pat McQuaid's honour is impeached."

Pay attention to the behaviour. Pat goes on the rampage instead of some kind of managed response. The guy is hiding many things. Not just some things. Many. He has nothing to hide using IOC-style managed doping policies. If the IOC-like program was working the rage wouldn't be there.

Also pay attention to the obsession with EPO testing. The other mention of EPO testing was at the Vuelta. In both races we saw some extreme performances. Especially at the ToC. Does EPO testing includes CERA? Is there a way to verify the number of procedures?

There's got to be a huge doping story in hiding. The lack of positives combined with Pat's behaviour are damning evidence. How long before it breaks?

 

[DirtyWorks]

This would be news if the suspicious riders in question knew there would be no testing at these races beforehand.

I'm sure Bruyneel had insider information on this, which is why the Radio Shack 1-2 with Horner and Leipheimer on one of the mountain stages at the ToC came off the way it did.

There are other possible explanations. Letting the 'home team' win one is possible. I don't doubt Bruyneel has inside information at any given time, but we know that deals are made inside a race/stage between riders/teams that have nothing to do with doping. Stuff like that is as old as money in the sport. Doping definitely a possible answer, but I think there are other reasonably possible non-doping answers.

 

[Benotti69]

There are other possible explanations. Letting the 'home team' win one is possible. I don't doubt Bruyneel has inside information at any given time, but we know that deals are made inside a race/stage between riders/teams that have nothing to do with doping. Stuff like that is as old as money in the sport. Doping definitely a possible answer, but I think there are other reasonably possible non-doping answers.

Hog/LA/Weisel have probably orchestrated it with McQuaid as they needed to keep yank based sponsors happy in order to have a hope of having a team in 2012.

 

[Benotti69]

Pay attention to the behaviour. Pat goes on the rampage instead of some kind of managed response. The guy is hiding many things. Not just some things. Many. He has nothing to hide using IOC-style managed doping policies. If the IOC-like program was working the rage wouldn't be there.

Also pay attention to the obsession with EPO testing. The other mention of EPO testing was at the Vuelta. In both races we saw some extreme performances. Especially at the ToC. Does EPO testing includes CERA? Is there a way to verify the number of procedures?

There's got to be a huge doping story in hiding. The lack of positives combined with Pat's behaviour are damning evidence. How long before it breaks?

Gilbert? Evans? Cancellara? Schlecks?

 

[ElChingon]

It should be news when they ever do test at the ToC, so don't expecting testing anytime soon, just look at the race marquee. When is everyone going connect the proverbial dots?

 

[ancientdude]

nice post but is it about you now too?

Making a joke buddy. Nothing to do with me.

 

[Random Direction]

- Shack did have the good old Disco train going up the final climb on the last with virtual unknowns dropping TDF GC top 10's.
- no blood control tests
- Radioschack likely tipped off
- Horner and Leipheimer looked like they were out for a Sunday stroll on the final climb
- Horner's power was sky high:

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Originally Posted by halamala
Chris Horner

Tour of California 2011, Stage 4, Final climb Sierra Rd

Elevation / Höhenmeter [m] : 532 m
Distance / Streckenlänge [Km] : 5.63 Km
Time in seconds / Fahrzeit in Sekunden [sec] : 1004 = 16 min 44 sec = 16:44
Weight rider / Gewicht Fahrer [kg] : 63.5 kg
Weight bicycle, clothes etc. / Gewicht Fahrrad [kg] : 8 kg

Grade / mittlere Seigung : 9.4 %
Average speed / mittlere Geschwindigkeit : 20.1 Km/h
Total weight / Gesamtgewicht : 71.5 kg

Power : 434.7 Watt
Power / kg : 6.8 Watt / kg

Source: [ http://www.rst.mp-all.de/bergauf.htm ]

I hope he'll release the SRM file later.
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It would be great if the Feds had a legal wiretap or e-mail monitoring program on tthe Tour of Cali o check for systematic doping.

 

[Polish]

"Did you hear? No blood testing at the ToC"
Oh please, BFD.

'OMG, no blood testing at the Toc"
WaaWaaWaa. It is old news anyway. Waa.

Be happy they tested pee you guys. Cup is half full attitude ok?
ToC didn't do ANY testing its early years. No testing period.
Things are "improving".

The ToC is only 6 years old.
The Tour de France did not test for its first 60+ years FCOL.
Heck, the Tour de France is RESPONSIBLE for doping in pro cycling.
Heck again, probably responsible for doping in all pro sports.
Long long history of doping. The original modern dopers.
Along with the modern olympics.

"But since doping originated in cycling, cycling should lead the way in its elimination grr grr grr!"
Sure, I'm not disagreeing with that.
But please, cut out the dramatics.
Drama Queen Central in the CN Clinic.

Californians like Mr Crumb and Mr Leary and Mr Kesey and Mr Zippy dont care.
Harshing the California Mellow dudes.

"Did you see the Radioshack Trains in the Toc omg?
Just goes to show - doping or clean....not much difference.
Its True.

 

[karlboss]

- Shack did have the good old Disco train going up the final climb on the last with virtual unknowns dropping TDF GC top 10's.
- no blood control tests
- Radioschack likely tipped off
- Horner and Leipheimer looked like they were out for a Sunday stroll on the final climb
- Horner's power was sky high:

-----------------------
Originally Posted by halamala
Chris Horner

Tour of California 2011, Stage 4, Final climb Sierra Rd

Elevation / Höhenmeter [m] : 532 m
Distance / Streckenlänge [Km] : 5.63 Km
Time in seconds / Fahrzeit in Sekunden [sec] : 1004 = 16 min 44 sec = 16:44
Weight rider / Gewicht Fahrer [kg] : 63.5 kg
Weight bicycle, clothes etc. / Gewicht Fahrrad [kg] : 8 kg

Grade / mittlere Seigung : 9.4 %
Average speed / mittlere Geschwindigkeit : 20.1 Km/h
Total weight / Gesamtgewicht : 71.5 kg

Power : 434.7 Watt
Power / kg : 6.8 Watt / kg

Source: [ http://www.rst.mp-all.de/bergauf.htm ]

I hope he'll release the SRM file later.
------------------------------

It would be great if the Feds had a legal wiretap or e-mail monitoring program on tthe Tour of Cali o check for systematic doping.

you mean like this?
http://www.srm.de/index.php/fr/srm-blog/road/639-chris-horners-srm-daten-tour-of-california-2011

 

[powerste]

"Did you hear? No blood testing at the ToC"
Oh please, BFD.

'OMG, no blood testing at the Toc"
WaaWaaWaa. It is old news anyway. Waa.

Be happy they tested pee you guys. Cup is half full attitude ok?
ToC didn't do ANY testing its early years. No testing period.
Things are "improving".

Yeah, ToC can now claim to be fighting doping based on the fantasy that in 2011 pee tests are useful in this endeavor. The reality is that pee tests are about as useful as "grr grr grr" in your posts.

The ToC is only 6 years old.

And should have been testing since year one.

The Tour de France did not test for its first 60+ years FCOL.

Long before the blood doping and EPO eras (TdF dates to ~1904 so 60+ years puts in the mid-60's)

Heck, the Tour de France is RESPONSIBLE for doping in pro cycling.

Well that is the world's perception, thanks to LA.

Heck again, probably responsible for doping in all pro sports.
Long long history of doping. The original modern dopers.
Along with the modern olympics.

"But since doping originated in cycling, cycling should lead the way in its elimination grr grr grr!"
Sure, I'm not disagreeing with that.
But please, cut out the dramatics.
Drama Queen Central in the CN Clinic.

Are you intentionally missing the point (as if I really need to ask)? USADA agreed to do blood testing with the UCI's blessing before King Pat got his nose out of joint and scuppered the whole thing. Now he just claims "we don't need to b/c the Bio Pass works." Are you now Pat's resident troll as well as LA's?

Californians like Mr Crumb and Mr Leary and Mr Kesey and Mr Zippy dont care.
Harshing the California Mellow dudes.

Dope smoking and acid trips != athletic performance enhancing...but I'm sure your're quite right that Leary, Kesey et al could care less about the ToC.

"Did you see the Radioshack Trains in the Toc omg?
Just goes to show - doping or clean....not much difference.
Its True.

Yes it is true - when Shack know there won't be any blood tests, those trains do run on time.

Just goes to show - ToC or TdF...not much difference.

 

[Random Direction]

you mean like this?
http://www.srm.de/index.php/fr/srm-blog/road/639-chris-horners-srm-daten-tour-of-california-2011

Thanks karlboss- it was also covered in the climbing power thread where I extracted the text clip.

Polish - next time try harder - you didn't make any sense this time.

 

[42x16ss]

Thanks karlboss- it was also covered in the climbing power thread where I extracted the text clip.

Polish - next time try harder - you didn't make any sense this time.

That's as much sense as Polish makes.

In the clinic anyway....

 

[Benotti69]

That's as much sense as Polish makes.

In the clinic anyway....

the amount of time the fanboy spends on here in real life too

 

[Tangled Tango]

TdC SCANDAL ON A HUGE SCALE

I find this to be a Huge scandal and clear cut evidence that the UCI is not interested in cleaning up cycling in any way. It is difficult to understand why only cyclingnews covered this story. I would of thought it would be front page news for any cycling publication that stands for a clean sport. I guess the bottom line is as always about money. Check it out:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-performed-no-blood-tests-during-amgen-tour-of-california