The Hitch said:
Oh come on.
First of all its a bit rich for you of all people to label others fanboys no?
You have to separate the liking for a rider with that of a climb. Of course, it is a different matter. I am a fan of Zoncolan as well, but since i have not ridden it, i wont say how hard it is compared with another climb. Gentlemen, please.
Second of all, as was pointed out, Contador said one thing, Gibo said another. Contador may be the best but Gibo won both.
Yes, i know what Gibo said. And its all right. But Contador is in another league and i really do think that Contador is in another position to speak about hard climbs then Gibo about this matter. He will still be a proud spaniard, being the best. Gibo is just one of the best (if not the best) italian speaking up his climb.
You complain that we use statistics to compare 2 climbs rather than bow to Contadors opinion?
You dont have to bow for his opinion. I just have his words into the discussion given how he probably can handle both pretty good. And since he is the only one, bar one, who have a opinion about both, you just cant ignore it can you?
Do gradients of climbs mean nothing then?
Yes, of course it does. The only thing we know for certain is that Angliru is longer (with a steeper section) but the Zoncolan is steeper overall. How the hell is we going to figure out which one is the tougher when both seems pretty damn nasty on paper, after thinking about it a while?
In the end this argument for authority is pretty weak. Contador is a better climber hence he must be right?
Yes, he might be wrong (for whatever reasons) but why cant he be right? I have done my climbs and miles in the days but compared to him, i could be considered a armchair-cyclist, so i can just figure how it would be doing the Zoncolan and Angliru.
So forgive those of us who dont just roll over just because Contador (a Spaniard) said the Spanish mountain was harder.
Dear, Hitch, i know you are not biased and all that, but all this depends on Gibo being the most balanced and un-italian given his statements about Zoncolan. I asked if a neutral cyclist have tried them both and i got my answer (i didnt vote before that which has to be said).
How the hell did climbs within a specific border has anything to do with national pride to begin with?
Do you only read selective comments. Simoni was hardly an armchair cyclist was he?
Why is Gibos opinion unworthy?
No of course not, but as i said, they are both italian and suddenly the spaniard argument became unvalid because Angliru was a "spanish climb". That is ridiculous. Contador, just by being Contador, could always say that Zoncolan is harder and yet his spanish compatriots would know know that he is spaniard and still the best. He is in a different position to judge.
Its a bit of an insult to say armchair cyclists are winning because they dont agree with you.
I dont like the term armchair cyclist and i am the first to admit i am one comparing to the likes of Contador, Nibali, Simeoni....No harm intented. I respect everyone at this forum and its from the heart. I have not ridden these climbs, though, and wouldnt take as easy at the authorities opinion about it as have been done IMO.
And this bit is funny too. When you first posted you didnt know that Contador had chosen Angirilu but you still said that the mountain in your country was harder
This is bull****. I didnt vote before i knew what the likes of Contador said about Zoncolan vs Angliru because i simply cant imagine how it is riding up these climbs. Compare this attitude with the likes of Zoncolan fanboys who just voted because they "like the climb".
But now you look down on those who make their choice without Contadors consultation.
No, i do not. However, this poll is about which one is harder, not about which climb you like.
And while your at it, go to the RVV vs PR discussion, pick your favourite rider there (some say Rvv is harder, some say PR) then attack everyone else for not agreering with them.
Ey man, this is about different opinions after all. It might look like a "attack" but it is just for fun. I like both climbs and have no problem if Zoncolan win this contest (you should not take Contadors opinion that easy though).
