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Unexpected in the "holy ***, this is awesome!" sense. He could have sat back and been satisfied with third, clearly not.
And was still a bit confused about where he was; he had been briefly sent back into the peloton, after all.
tobydawq said:
Unexpected in the "holy ***, this is awesome!" sense. He could have sat back and been satisfied with third, clearly not.
And was still a bit confused about where he was; he had been briefly sent back into the peloton, after all.
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His attack was actually shown but from the moto at the back of the group from which he went on the descent. The commentators didn't notice, however, and the producers didn't find it necessary to film for the next 10 minutes...
RedheadDane said:
His attack was actually shown but from the moto at the back of the group from which he went on the descent. The commentators didn't notice, however, and the producers didn't find it necessary to film for the next 10 minutes...
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With a different route design and not 20k of flat after the descent, his chances would also have been a lot higher. It's not like he was just let go on the descent by Pogacar because Pogacar knew it would be flat and they would come back from behind. Actually, the TV cameras got a glimpse of Asgreens descent attack (without the danish commentators noticing, ofcourse...) and he just simply rode away from the favourite group.tobydawq said:
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Their knack for cutting to commercial just as anything interesting is happening is probably unrivaled in any coverage of any sport I can think of.
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Clearly you've not been watching American races in the past.
Anyway, spectacular win from Pogacar, way beyond his years. Excited to see what he does in the future.
Their knack for cutting to commercial just as anything interesting is happening is probably unrivaled in any coverage of any sport I can think of.
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Philipsen was a bit unlucky he couldn't get a win. But good for him that he was always in the mix. Four top 10 spots (10th, 5th, 3rd, 2nd and the 5th place he was actually 2nd of the bunch). Jakobsen only had one top 40 spot... but that was the one he won. I think it shows 3 things: Philipsen is not a flat track bully and will more easily survive tough races and hilly terrains in the future. He is good at riding sprint finals, getting his placement right. He still lacks the power to really take a win against top sprinters (which i think Jakobsen is steadily sneaking up on). But ofcourse, he's very young still (same year as Pogacar) and will improve undoubtedly. But i'm still unsure if he'll become a real sprinter, or more a guy like Boonen, who could do bunch sprints in his day, but was really more of an allround classics kind of guy.
Watching that guy munch it in the sprint has me shaking my head wondering how more guys didn't go down. The race coverage is probably the biggest head scratcher for me personally. The 2 or 3 elements of the 2 LA's.
Why in the town that brings magic to the big and small screen is the coverage looking like it comes from a high school or rural community college film class?
Where is John Tesch when they need him?
Americans and America know squat about bike racing and far off pan shots of tiny things are all they give?
GoPro everything has been in the culture for over a decade and nobody thought that Redbull was on to anything? No on bike footage of any kind? I gotta be kidding..?right?
I saw a Alpecin rider up close..@3 ft away. The guys legs made my skin tingle..muscle and definition worthy of some kind of extreme body building,fitness Arnold Schwarzenegger moment. Truly awesome. Ok enough about that LA.
Bringing the sport to a new,bigger audience and to a new era has to start with no doper commentators.period. Anybody who literally slept in the same room with the other LA should not be part of anything bike racing going forward. Phil Liggett should be called before a truth commission and asked to pay for his unwavering.in your face unflinching support of the other LA. Let's move on already. Why Frankie Andreau or any of the other for caughts are doing color for the race(s) is a disgrace. Bring in a new set of eyes and perspectives from someone under @30..or a black athlete..Charles Barkley..whatever.
You keep on doin' what you are doin' you'll keep gettin' what yur gettin'.
There is no room in the broadcasts or budgets for backstory?
Maybe take a page from the Australian team..follow the team..follow a couple of riders.follow team car conversation..anything but none stop helicopter shots or drone BS..that is solo yesterday!
* If anyone Googled on the TOC broadcast has any overlap with the LA area fire them.flush the toilet already!!
Why in the town that brings magic to the big and small screen is the coverage looking like it comes from a high school or rural community college film class?
Where is John Tesch when they need him?
Americans and America know squat about bike racing and far off pan shots of tiny things are all they give?
GoPro everything has been in the culture for over a decade and nobody thought that Redbull was on to anything? No on bike footage of any kind? I gotta be kidding..?right?
I saw a Alpecin rider up close..@3 ft away. The guys legs made my skin tingle..muscle and definition worthy of some kind of extreme body building,fitness Arnold Schwarzenegger moment. Truly awesome. Ok enough about that LA.
Bringing the sport to a new,bigger audience and to a new era has to start with no doper commentators.period. Anybody who literally slept in the same room with the other LA should not be part of anything bike racing going forward. Phil Liggett should be called before a truth commission and asked to pay for his unwavering.in your face unflinching support of the other LA. Let's move on already. Why Frankie Andreau or any of the other for caughts are doing color for the race(s) is a disgrace. Bring in a new set of eyes and perspectives from someone under @30..or a black athlete..Charles Barkley..whatever.
You keep on doin' what you are doin' you'll keep gettin' what yur gettin'.
There is no room in the broadcasts or budgets for backstory?
Maybe take a page from the Australian team..follow the team..follow a couple of riders.follow team car conversation..anything but none stop helicopter shots or drone BS..that is solo yesterday!
* If anyone Googled on the TOC broadcast has any overlap with the LA area fire them.flush the toilet already!!
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Did you know there is no computer feeds of European cycling as well TV, unless you pay in USA.Rollthedice said:
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Here are a few fun facts:
1. This was the first time since 2011 with no repeat stage winners. One guy won a stage in both of those editions, that guy was - of course - Peter Sagan.
B. Peter Sagan was - at 29 - the only stage winner over the age of 24. The other stage winners being; Asgreen (24), Cavagna (23), Jakobsen (22), Garcia, (23), Pogačar (20), and Bol (23).
III None of the (major) jerseys were won by anyone over 24. With the green and the polka-dot jersey both being won by 24-year-olds (Asgreen and Ballerini, respectively), while the yellow - and thus also the white - was won by a 20-year-old (Pogačar).
1. This was the first time since 2011 with no repeat stage winners. One guy won a stage in both of those editions, that guy was - of course - Peter Sagan.
B. Peter Sagan was - at 29 - the only stage winner over the age of 24. The other stage winners being; Asgreen (24), Cavagna (23), Jakobsen (22), Garcia, (23), Pogačar (20), and Bol (23).
III None of the (major) jerseys were won by anyone over 24. With the green and the polka-dot jersey both being won by 24-year-olds (Asgreen and Ballerini, respectively), while the yellow - and thus also the white - was won by a 20-year-old (Pogačar).
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Well, if your producer is unable to get the cameras to point at the important parts of the race, like someone attacking the yellow jersey, what is the point?
When Asgreen attacked yesterday, the TV production didn't notice, until he was suddenly with the front 3, some 10 minutes later.
Amateurish.
It would be like covering a football game, but pointing the cameras at the sideline, during a 3rd and goal on the 5 yard line.
jmdirt said:
Well, if your producer is unable to get the cameras to point at the important parts of the race, like someone attacking the yellow jersey, what is the point?
When Asgreen attacked yesterday, the TV production didn't notice, until he was suddenly with the front 3, some 10 minutes later.
Amateurish.
It would be like covering a football game, but pointing the cameras at the sideline, during a 3rd and goal on the 5 yard line.
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When they suddenly showed the green jersey (and thus Asgreen) back in the peloton, I was actually wondering if they'd mistakenly thought Sagan had green.
Rollthedice said:
When they suddenly showed the green jersey (and thus Asgreen) back in the peloton, I was actually wondering if they'd mistakenly thought Sagan had green.
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Football is in a stadium, thus much easier to cover. Tons of stationary cameras with cameras on basically everything. Covering cycling, for a station that does it basically once a year is not exactly easy and it's not like they have much experience covering cycling.
Screecher said:
Football is in a stadium, thus much easier to cover. Tons of stationary cameras with cameras on basically everything. Covering cycling, for a station that does it basically once a year is not exactly easy and it's not like they have much experience covering cycling.
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Stop making excuses.
Most cycle races on the world tour get this basic stuff right...... it's not rocket science...... "these are the key riders, if one of them make a move, follow with the camera".
If production cannot identify and cover key moves, cycling becomes incredibly boring to watch - so if the american production crew can't get it right, import a crew that can..... this is the "World Tour" after all.
As for the football example, it was only meant to illustrate, that for sports to be exiting broadcast material, you need to cover the exiting parts......... pretty basic really
Screecher said:
Stop making excuses.
Most cycle races on the world tour get this basic stuff right...... it's not rocket science...... "these are the key riders, if one of them make a move, follow with the camera".
If production cannot identify and cover key moves, cycling becomes incredibly boring to watch - so if the american production crew can't get it right, import a crew that can..... this is the "World Tour" after all.
As for the football example, it was only meant to illustrate, that for sports to be exiting broadcast material, you need to cover the exiting parts......... pretty basic really
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Stop making excuses.
Most cycle races on the world tour get this basic stuff right...... it's not rocket science...... "these are the key riders, if one of them make a move, follow with the camera".
If production cannot identify and cover key moves, cycling becomes incredibly boring to watch - so if the american production crew can't get it right, import a crew that can..... this is the "World Tour" after all.
As for the football example, it was only meant to illustrate, that for sports to be exiting broadcast material, you need to cover the exiting parts......... pretty basic really[/quote]
They basically do one race per year. The production crew likely has no clue how any of the riders are and are more used to covering a sport in an arena of one sort or another.
If you want them to bring in a European crew NBC will instead say nope, not paying for the rights, then you'll end up with zero coverage as there aren't any other broadcast stations over here with any interest in even showing cycling. Then you'll end up with a WT race with no TV coverage at all.
Broccolidwarf said:
Stop making excuses.
Most cycle races on the world tour get this basic stuff right...... it's not rocket science...... "these are the key riders, if one of them make a move, follow with the camera".
If production cannot identify and cover key moves, cycling becomes incredibly boring to watch - so if the american production crew can't get it right, import a crew that can..... this is the "World Tour" after all.
As for the football example, it was only meant to illustrate, that for sports to be exiting broadcast material, you need to cover the exiting parts......... pretty basic really
[/quote]They basically do one race per year. The production crew likely has no clue how any of the riders are and are more used to covering a sport in an arena of one sort or another.
If you want them to bring in a European crew NBC will instead say nope, not paying for the rights, then you'll end up with zero coverage as there aren't any other broadcast stations over here with any interest in even showing cycling. Then you'll end up with a WT race with no TV coverage at all.
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