Amstel Gold Race 2023, one day classic, April 16 (men's)

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Meanwhile last year his pal Kwiatkowski

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The race was very good today, but this is the only thing that I hated from the race today. Everyone that has ridden a bike knows that it could be an advantage, not that Pogacar needed one. Why would they do that stupidity? And Pogacar was by far the best rider today. He should have just waved with his hands to the car to push forward. Lol.
It was short lived but at a crucial moment.
 
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Madouas must've done an insane race coming back to the first bigger group after that crash. He was on the ground and his bike was broken so had to wait for a new one. Ferron also came from far (although he was not down that long).

FDJ really needs to do something about Madouas his positioning. Not the first time he gets caught in a crash or misses a split because of bad positioning.
 
Timeline of car-pacing incident

3:39 PM
Hey Healy's not that far back.


3:40 PM
Lmao lets give Pogacar more car draft thenk you bery much


3:41 PM
Gap is a legit 19s by stopwatch


3:42 PM
Healy going to the Giro

Remco and Roglic better watch out


3:43 PM
Leo van Vliet is such a moron jeez


3:44 PM
31 seconds
 
So car-pacing is actually less effective at a distance and not next level counterintuitively? Interesting
I think it has to do with the camera guy (second person on the motor in the picture) sitting straight and creating a lot more turbelance than the car which was designed to be 'aero'. Ofcourse the car in the peleton had a beer banner on top of it, so that should create more turbelance than depicted in that picture.
 
Drafting aside I thought that was a very good race. I was already happy that the racing started at 40 km from the finish in recent editions, now it was already from 90 k out. I also don't care that its pogacar again, I'm here for all here for his record breaking.

Ofcourse if somehow Healy would have catched Pogacar of ofcourse it would have been a legendary edition. But happy the strongest rider won in the end.
 
Drafting aside I thought that was a very good race. I was already happy that the racing started at 40 km from the finish in recent editions, now it was already from 90 k out. I also don't care that its pogacar again, I'm here for all here for his record breaking.

Ofcourse if somehow Healy would have catched Pogacar of ofcourse it would have been a legendary edition. But happy the strongest rider won in the end.
I don't know, this AGR overall was just incredibly "meh" for me. Yes, it was (another) incredible performance by Pogacar. And ok, how he changed bikes just before a climb and came back seemingly effortlessly (bridging an almost 10 sec. gap while the chasing group were never even closing in on the front group) was very impressive. But the way the race unfolded just wasn't very exciting. Nobody to blame for that, it's just how things went but this is years AGR certainly wasn't one I'll remember for years.
 
About the drafting: maybe I watched the wrong part, but if we're talking about the bit with about 10 km's to go, I think everybody is kinda exaggerating. Don't forget it is a wide-angle lens zoomed in. Yes, there's a moment before that left-hand turn he actually can take advantage of the draft for about 14 seconds but come on, that's really just peanuts.
 
I don't know, this AGR overall was just incredibly "meh" for me. Yes, it was (another) incredible performance by Pogacar. And ok, how he changed bikes just before a climb and came back seemingly effortlessly (bridging an almost 10 sec. gap while the chasing group were never even closing in on the front group) was very impressive. But the way the race unfolded just wasn't very exciting. Nobody to blame for that, it's just how things went but this is years AGR certainly wasn't one I'll remember for years.
I think the gigantic crash in the peloton was a big factor on taking some of the pizazz out of the race—after that it was clear that the winner would come from that front group.
 
Here is a display of how much drafting helps you

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So car-pacing is actually less effective at a distance and not next level counterintuitively? Interesting
I think it has to do with the camera guy (second person on the motor in the picture) sitting straight and creating a lot more turbelance than the car which was designed to be 'aero'. Ofcourse the car in the peleton had a beer banner on top of it, so that should create more turbelance than depicted in that picture.
I was going to mention that the flat sign would be a big advantage, even though we agree that it wouldn't have changed the outcome.
 
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About the drafting: maybe I watched the wrong part, but if we're talking about the bit with about 10 km's to go, I think everybody is kinda exaggerating. Don't forget it is a wide-angle lens zoomed in. Yes, there's a moment before that left-hand turn he actually can take advantage of the draft for about 14 seconds but come on, that's really just peanuts.

No, I don't agree.

It was absurd to witness what transpired there.