An open letter to UCI President Pat McQuaid..

[Race Radio]

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You make more claims. So Pound was involved in some kind of smear campaign. Any evidence beyond the voices in your head?

 

[gree0232]

You make more claims. So Pound was involved in some kind of smear campaign. Any evidence beyond the voices in your head?

Yeah, the Vrijman report that indicates that WADA crapped all over its own code. Seriously, try to stcik to the topic rather than attacking everyone that disagrees with you.

It is called a discussion forum, not a cult.

 

[Race Radio]

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I will take your inability to answer simple questions as your confirmation that do not have anything to support your invented accusations.

A little reading to cool you off

http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/wada_official_statement_vrijman_report.pdf

 

[Digger]

Well, this is the point that it becomes farsical. Unable to beat the logic, we come up with some minor bit of minutia that would be very easy to clarify if we simply asked a question: Are you saying that **** POund personally leaked the entire 1999 smear campign?

No.

Do I think he was involved in the process? You bet.

Pretty easy to clarify now isn't it?

Now, if we could move back into something that looks like a mature discussion rather than emotional blather and accussation, it would be appreciated by all.

Firstly, it's accusation, since it seems to be your buzz word for every post.

Secondly, emotional is the word you use and you talk about going off topic....exactly how many times have you mentioned Iraq on this forum?

 

[patricknd]

Sounds like Regan and Iran-Contra. Lance sure would make a perfect GOP presidential candidate now wouldn't he...And even as a cyclist his fan base leans heavily toward that side. Who said it was a bad idea to mix sport with politics? To the contrary here it makes a perfect ideological match.

If such a letter of protest comes out officially, count me in to sign it.

i hadn't seen the poll on the political leanings of armstrong fans. got a link to that?

 

[mr. tibbs]

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http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/wada_official_statement_vrijman_report.pdf

Wow. Pretty heady stuff.

 

[rhubroma]

i hadn't seen the poll on the political leanings of armstrong fans. got a link to that?

No, but it has something to do with the inkling I've gotten from reading his supporters on this forum, and comparing their sport thinking with a cerain political thought for which I have a natural aversion. Like having antibodies against a disease.

Then there would be Armstrong's own friendship with Bush and hence his republican affiliation. There has always been a right-wing way about the man: he's a bully, acts with nonchalant prepotency, is extremely ruthless, sees things in black and white, and so forth; which may attract a fan-base that finds these attributes congenial to one's world-view, and hence political bias. I've always thought that we are born right-wing vs. left-wing simply by our personalities and characterial qualities, and don't become right-wing or left-wing. Nature vs. Environment

Mine, though, was simple meant in the spirit of entertainment and irony.

 

[patricknd]

No, but it has something to do with the inkling I've gotten from reading his supporters on this forum, and comparing their sport thinking with a cerain political thought for which I have a natural aversion. Like having antibodies against a disease.

Then there would be Armstrong's own friendship with Bush and hence his republican affiliation. There has always been a right-wing way about the man: he's a bully, acts with nonchalant prepotency, is extremely ruthless, sees things in black and white, and so forth; which may attract a fan-base that finds these attributes congenial to one's world-view, and hence political bias. I've always thought that we are born right-wing vs. left-wing simply by our personalities and characterial qualities, and don't become right-wing or left-wing. Nature vs. Environment

Mine, though, was simple meant in the spirit of entertainment and irony.

in other words, guessing

 

[cathulu]

Dear Mr. Pat McQuaid

I believe that you are doing a very poor job and need to respond to the open letter posted by the OP and answer all of the points as clearly as possible with back-up documentation that can be viewed and verified. The appearance is one of corruption in the UCI going up to the highest levels - possibly the highest. An outside independent investigation is required in my opinion.

I believe Gree0232 does not represent the majority of cycling opinion - rather a very tiny minority - perhaps a minority of only one. Do not rest easy with Gree0232's endorsement as that would be a mistake.

 

[rhubroma]

in other words, guessing

Is this a vested interest of yours? I couldn't care less on my part. But I suspect that my irony is more true to nature than your skepticism. Also because your interest would seem to be an afirmation of my suspision. Grazie.

 

[gree0232]

Dear Mr. Pat McQuaid

I believe that you are doing a very poor job and need to respond to the open letter posted by the OP and answer all of the points as clearly as possible with back-up documentation that can be viewed and verified. The appearance is one of corruption in the UCI going up to the highest levels - possibly the highest. An outside independent investigation is required in my opinion.

I believe Gree0232 does not represent the majority of cycling opinion - rather a very tiny minority - perhaps a minority of only one. Do not rest easy with Gree0232's endorsement as that would be a mistake.

Agh, so know we should make leadership a popularity contest, not base it on whether or not the right thing was actually done?

I hope none of you are ever accussed of any wrong doing, just remember the standards you are advocating here.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Agh, so know we should make leadership a popularity contest, not base it on whether or not the right thing was actually done?

Democracy. You've heard of it? You're so full of specious ****.

 

[Race Radio]

Democracy. You've heard of it? You're so full of specious ****.

There was no Democracy in Iraq!

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

In the US, is it cool to satirize war vets around the time of memorial day?

 

[Race Radio]

In the US, is it cool to satirize war vets around the time of memorial day?

Fake war vets are always a good target, especially around Memorial day

 

[MarkGreen0]

In the US, is it cool to satirize war vets around the time of memorial day?

You need to catch up. The smear line is he is a fake war vet. This is the normal practise against users who are a bit plucky who dare to disagree with them.

They themselves are allowed to be as cocky as they like, of course, but if others are like this then we have to make up lies about them.

I'm giggling to myself thinking about how transparent they are. It's the same two or three people using the same propaganda tactics every time. And they pretend to be upset about Armstrong smearing his critics. It is pretty funny.

 

[thehog]

-I want to give you an example, something I've never spoken about except to the police up until now. It concerns one of the four Spanish Laboratories credited by the UCI. This laboratory who is in charge of sending the "UCI" vampires (doctors)to take the samples during the Vuelta and other races is the same lab that's in charge of the doctor visits to the cyclists, they follow the cyclists and give them the stamp of approval on their licenses. The owner of this clinic, a renowned hemotologist, called Walter Viru, who is one of the doctors for Kelme to alert them the day before the uci vampires were coming to take the samples from the cyclist. And he did the same thing with Del Moral, the doctor for the U.S. Postal team and then Discovery, a good friend of his.

"Are you certain about what you're setting forth here?"

-I experienced it in 2002 and 2003 during the Tour de Spain. I gave the police have all the details and the name of the clinic. Even better I remember one time Viru who acquired the russian epo wanted to know the purity of it before he used it. And so he gave a vile of it to this clinic and had them confirm it was good. An important detail, this laboratory is still accredited by the UCI. When I talk about the mafia, I don't use this word lightly.

"You mentioned Jose Maria Jiminez, el Chava, who died in 2003 from a heartattack. Was it the drugs that killed him?"

-Of course, like it killed Pantani. The drugs lead you to other addictions. The anti-depressants almost automatically accompany other doping treatments. I took up to 8 pills of prozac a day when I was racing.

"Why"

-Prozac cuts the appetite, keeps you in another world, a world where you're not afraid of what you're doing. You're no longer afraid to inject yourself with all the crap. It takes you to a world where you don't ask any more questions especially you don't ask your doctor questions either or your sporting director. Then there are periods where you must stop doping you feel like superman. Then one day all of the sudden it stops and you become dramatically depressed. Look at Pantani, Vandenbroucke and all the others we don't even talk about. They are numerous other cyclists and former cyclists that are addicted to cocaine, heroin and other medications. It's not just in the world of cycling.

 

[JA.Tri]

I am ignorant

-I want to give you an example, ...

"You mentioned Jose Maria Jiminez, el Chava, who died in 2003 from a heartattack. Was it the drugs that killed him?"

-Of course, like it killed Pantani. The drugs lead you to other addictions. The anti-depressants almost automatically accompany other doping treatments. I took up to 8 pills of prozac a day when I was racing.

"Why"

-Prozac cuts the appetite, keeps you in another world, a world where you're not afraid of what you're doing. You're no longer afraid to inject yourself with all the crap. It takes you to a world where you don't ask any more questions especially you don't ask your doctor questions either or your sporting director. Then there are periods where you must stop doping you feel like superman. Then one day all of the sudden it stops and you become dramatically depressed. Look at Pantani, Vandenbroucke and all the others we don't even talk about. They are numerous other cyclists and former cyclists that are addicted to cocaine, heroin and other medications. It's not just in the world of cycling.

Dear The Hog, as above please (re: my ignorance ) what/whom is the source of your quotation?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

After todays announcement that Armstrong made 2 donations -not one as McQuaid insisted at the Giro- I think this needs to be reposted.

Either Pat is lying or inept (or both) and that is not the type of President that the UCI needs to look after our sport.

Dear Pat,

As the cycling community is quite small I have had the opportunity to meet with you over the years. I always admired your enthusiasm for the sport and your extensive knowledge of the sport in general.

Since the revelations made this week by Floyd Landis the sport of cycling and the UCI of which you are President has come under immense scrutiny. The accusations that a positive drug test by Lance Armstrong was ignored in return for a financial settlement is deeply disturbing and a serious charge against the UCI.

In a radio interview on Friday you mentioned that Lance Armstrong had ‘donated’ $100,000 in 2005. You repeated those comments again today at the Giro d'Italia.

It seriously harms the reputation of this great sport that there still remains major discrepancies in your version of events.

At the Play The Game conference in October 2007 you said the $100,000 ‘cash’ came in to our account "in actual fact, about 15 months ago". (Audio here- second clip)
This would be approximately July 2006 - which contradicts todays statements.

More alarmingly - July 2006 is only one month after the publication of the Vrijman report which cleared Mr Armstrong of facing sanction for having EPO in 6 urine samples that were retested in 2005.

With so many discrepancies I believe it is prudent that the UCI subject itself to a full independent financial audit.
I realise that this is a costly and time consuming process but it is one that the UCI must bare if it is to restore its faith in its members and the sporting community.

In a seperate interview today former UCI member Sylvia Schenk said "the UCI was always very proud of its accounts".
This should mean that the UCI should be able to immediately release details of the transaction, UCI booking and machine purchased, before an audit gets underway.

I also believe that you need to consider your position at this point.
In the interest of the sport of cycling, I respectfully suggest you stand down or stand aside while any investigation takes place – as I believe it would effect your ability to carry out the day to day duties of President.

If you feel that you should not stand down or stand aside then it is imperative that you clearly articulate the reasons for not doing so.

It is time to move along and begin the process of rebuilding the trust and credibility of this great sport.

 

[goober]

After todays announcement that Armstrong made 2 donations -not one as McQuaid insisted at the Giro- I think this needs to be reposted.

Either Pat is lying or inept (or both) and that is not the type of President that the UCI needs to look after our sport.

Both donations were televised with interviews of Lance back when they happened. Pat probably went back and only found the last donation - this is not why he is inept - there are other reasons for that.

 

[Race Radio]

Both donations were televised with interviews of Lance back when they happened. Pat probably went back and only found the last donation - this is not why he is inept - there are other reasons for that.

Really, then it should be easy for you to come up with a link for the 2002 donation....of did you just make it up?

 

[Anonymous]

Both donations were televised with interviews of Lance back when they happened. Pat probably went back and only found the last donation - this is not why he is inept - there are other reasons for that.

Not saying you are lying, but please, prove your assertion because I am pretty sure that if what you say is true (and I don't believe that is the case), I would like a link. This is the first time that I have heard either the UCI or Armstrong officially say there were 2 donations. You heard lots of people here suggest that must be the case, but nothing from the officials or The Uniballer. Mr Obfuscation returns right on time. Its like someone rang a bell or something.

 

[goober]

Really, then it should be easy for you to come up with a link for the 2002 donation....of did you just make it up?

I made it up. I thought they both were. I just watched the last stage of TDF when he made the second donation public that he was donating to help anti-doping. I had thought he discussed the first one in the interview. My mistake, my bad. I was just coming back to fix it.

 

[Willy_Voet]

It's okay, Lance has a backdated TCD.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Pat said this in May at the Giro:

"To the best of my knowledge, the UCI has not accepted other donations and I'd just like to clarify that there was only one donation from Lance Armstrong not two or three," McQuaid said.

"You have to consider that at the time, in 2002, no accusations against Lance Armstrong had been made. They've all came up since then. We accepted the donation to help develop the sport. We didn't think there's a conflict of interest. It's easy to say in hindsight what could or would have been done. You have to put yourself in the situation at the time."

Then today says this:

"I said during the Giro d'Italia in May that we were going to investigate and look into the archives to discover exactly what happened. That's what we've done"

Ah, no Pat you didn't say that - you made it quite clear in your Giro press conference that it was "one donation".

In thisCyclingweekly report from the Giro in May McQuaid said:

"It had just opened in April 2002, it was some time after that. They got a guided tour of the centre. They were impressed by what they saw and Armstrong offered $100,000 to help the development of cycling."

...and now you are telling us that the $25,000 (personal check) was paid in May 2002?

What aboout Hein Verbruggens statement last month:

Verbruggen said Armstrong's agent approached the UCI and offered to make a donation for the fight against doping.

"This was discussed by our anti-doping people," Verbruggen said. "They said, 'We can't use this money for doping controls.' Then they said if Lance would agree that we buy a Sysmex for this, then that could be a good idea. I left it there. I have not been busy with it afterwards."

Did Hein forget about the $25,000 that Armstrong had just given - and Pat says today that the UCI decided "to use the money for anti-doping tests on juniors, to separate it from Armstrong, because he was racing at the time".....