Andreas Kloden's Final Bid For Another Coveted Top 10 Tour Finish, 'Official' Thread

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RHRH19861986

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What's up with Kessler anyway? Is he ok after that accident?
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He won´t return to Pro cycling, it took a long time to recover, and last time I heard something in German media/forums (maybe 2011), he still had health problems from this crash.

Had to do lots of physical/medical treatment afterwards. He´ll have or has a normal life, but won´t be racer any more, at least won´t ride any competitions.

It´s sad, he would´ve returned strongly... When I see how Kashechkin does in the moment, how good he is finally again, makes me feel sorry for Kessler. He wanted to be on top again in 2010, really bad luck.

Kai Reus, Hovelynck, and others, they all returned, but at some point, it´s just too late...
 
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Well when your read how much of a bad influence Kessler was on Ulle and Klodi, I'm not so sure it's a bad thing he's gone for good...

Anyway, yes, decent ITT by Klodi yesterday, will be interesting to see what he does in the mountains over the week-end...not holding my breath though.
 
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Well when your read how much of a bad influence Kessler was on Ulle and Klodi, I'm not so sure it's a bad thing he's gone for good...

Anyway, yes, decent ITT by Klodi yesterday, will be interesting to see what he does in the mountains over the week-end...not holding my breath though.
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I think Kessler, Klöden and Hondo share the same mentality by nature... Ullrich was slightly different - less complaining, but also did what he wanted to do.
 
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webvan said:
Well when your read how much of a bad influence Kessler was on Ulle and Klodi, I'm not so sure it's a bad thing he's gone for good...

Anyway, yes, decent ITT by Klodi yesterday, will be interesting to see what he does in the mountains over the week-end...not holding my breath though.
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Where did you read Kessler was a bad influence on them? And in what regard:confused:
 
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Bavarianrider

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webvan said:
Here http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/whats-eating-andreas-kloden

I'm surprised you missed that amazing article on Klodi (posted the link last week, see previous page).
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Thanks, missed it indeed.
However, the thing with Kessler seems a bit odd.
The only thing i know is that Klöden Ullrich Kessler and akso Vino used to be or are still good friends.
They even used to go on hunting holidays in Kazakstan.
 
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Is Klöden on the right way ?

I must say he is a difficult and a tricky rider, when it comes to figure out his condition and plan...

Normally I would say it does not look good in terms of the upcoming Tour, looking at his performance at Tour De Suisse....

But with Andreas it might be different (I hope), it looks like he is doing the excact same thing as last year, where I believe he was in very good shape untill he had to abandon due to the crash he had.

Loosing several minutes on the mountain stages (11 minutes today, excactly the same as last year)

On the ITT doing ok (this year nbr 7, last year nbr 2)....

It could look like there is a pattern, and this is how he prepares for le Tour, and with his many years of experience I would assume he knows what he is doing....

I also read somewhere that Ullrich actually mentioned that it was typical Klöden to use Tour De Suisse like this, and not like Ullrich who gave it "full gas" which also gave him 2 victories in the race....

Apparently it looks like he is one of the only ones, who does it this way, when you look at all the other "big names" they might not be on 100% but they are nearly loosing as much time as Andreas.

What is your opinion, is Andreas on the right way for a good Tour, or is he to far away to get in shape.....

I hope he knows what he is doing, and byt the way its funny to see how he went a lot faster then Leipheimer, Fuglsang and many other GC guys on yesterays ITT and today finished 11 min. behind...I do not think this is the true "picture" ... and i think/hope he is building up his form slowly but steady...

It would be a big shame if he does not show up in a good form, as I believe he has the biggest chance of a good result in many years, both due to the route, and the absence of Andy Schleck on the team and offcourse Contador.... I really belive Klöden in top-shape could go on the podium, if he does not get any bad luck this year, but it all comes down to what shape he will be in when the tour starts...
 
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TDS is over, and its still difficult to say how Klöden is doing in terms of building up for the tour...

Normally everybody (myself included) would say he is miles away, and there is no way he can find the legs before the tour starts...

BUT looking at last year and comparing the results, he lost the same or even more on the Mountain stages last year, even on the "flat stages" last year he lost time ....

Ok last year he came second on the ITT, but this year he actually took more time on many of the riders (for instance Leipheimer, Fuglsang etc)

So for sure he did not do worse then last years TDS, actually in some terms he did better (he also took a lead on the final HC climb today)

And as I understood it he were in great shape last year, but due the crash we will never know excactly what would have happended if and if...

Again, normally I would say forget about Klöden for the tour after looking at TDS, but with above in mind I am not so sure that is the real case...

Would be interesting hearing your thoughts on this matter ?
 
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jgotti said:
TDS is over, and its still difficult to say how Klöden is doing in terms of building up for the tour...

Normally everybody (myself included) would say he is miles away, and there is no way he can find the legs before the tour starts...

BUT looking at last year and comparing the results, he lost the same or even more on the Mountain stages last year, even on the "flat stages" last year he lost time ....

Ok last year he came second on the ITT, but this year he actually took more time on many of the riders (for instance Leipheimer, Fuglsang etc)

So for sure he did not do worse then last years TDS, actually in some terms he did better (he also took a lead on the final HC climb today)

And as I understood it he were in great shape last year, but due the crash we will never know excactly what would have happended if and if...

Again, normally I would say forget about Klöden for the tour after looking at TDS, but with above in mind I am not so sure that is the real case...

Would be interesting hearing your thoughts on this matter?
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He is probably building up slowly while also making the other contenders forget entirely about him.
 
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jgotti said:
TDS is over, and its still difficult to say how Klöden is doing in terms of building up for the tour...

Normally everybody (myself included) would say he is miles away, and there is no way he can find the legs before the tour starts...

BUT looking at last year and comparing the results, he lost the same or even more on the Mountain stages last year, even on the "flat stages" last year he lost time ....

Ok last year he came second on the ITT, but this year he actually took more time on many of the riders (for instance Leipheimer, Fuglsang etc)

So for sure he did not do worse then last years TDS, actually in some terms he did better (he also took a lead on the final HC climb today)

And as I understood it he were in great shape last year, but due the crash we will never know excactly what would have happended if and if...

Again, normally I would say forget about Klöden for the tour after looking at TDS, but with above in mind I am not so sure that is the real case...

Would be interesting hearing your thoughts on this matter ?
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That wasn't very impressive. He was being dropped and then came a flat par of the climb. He recovered, did a bit of work but as soon as the climb got harder he was dropped.
 
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That wasn't very impressive. He was being dropped and then came a flat par of the climb. He recovered, did a bit of work but as soon as the climb got harder he was dropped.

I Agree with you on above...., and the small amount of work he did today wasn´t my issue...

I am much more interested in hearing peoples opinion, on the chances that Klöden is following a plan, and knows what he is doing in order to try and be at his peak when the tour, or should I say stage 8-9 starts ;-)
 
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Kloden has an awfull year, but yeah you can all put it on ' preparation' . Honestly, I have not seen him this poor in recent years...
 
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Bavarianrider said:
The Tour is won in the lhird week of July. Not in the second week of June. Watch out.Klöden is a real threat this year.
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Based on what? Good feeling? Last years and this year.... it's all been poor. And he does have quite some racing days under his belt.
 
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Bavarianrider said:
The Tour is won in the lhird week of July. Not in the second week of June. Watch out.Klöden is a real threat this year.
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+1

Klöden is the logical and only choice as the RSNT leader for GC for the Tour this year as I've said along. Frank Schleck knows he does not have the ITT skills that are a must in year with a return to the two-long-ITT format.
 
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