Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Alberto..?

Okay, change to 'possibly the best climber'. Surely a tie between them on major mountain stages?

 

[airstream]

Okay if we're going to compare the 2, Contador ended up 3-4 minutes back at the Tour after his Giro win and Froome ended up 10 minutes back at the Vuelta after his Tour podium. Is this the comparison that you're making in response to my "cakewalk" reference? This is with the strong Sky support that he had at both and the minimal Saxo support that Contador had at the Tour. Let me say that I think Froome has great potential but he has yet to show what he's capable of when he's at his best against the sports elite grand tour racers when they're at their best with the exception of Nibali. We will have to see what happens come July 2013. I agree that Sky has a formidable stage racing lineup that is unrivaled in the sport.

Hm, what exactly are we discussing? You was calling the 2012 Tour a cakewalk. I was doing the same with the 2011 Giro. But I find an approach according to which you simply take and compare 4 minutes and 10 very simplified. Too much depends on opponents and their racing styles. Yes, very likely Contador is the better GT rider in terms of perspective to ride two grand tours and I was always agree with that, but it doesn't mean that Froome is potentially weaker for the Tour. These 2 aspects (tour and 2 gt's) lie in a bit different planes. Imo, both Schleck and Contador would have collided with huge problems on the climbs if they had ridden this Tour. And to me, not to admit this is kinda reluctance to reconcile with something new. As I understand, you are, to put it mildly, disagree?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Okay, change to 'possibly the best climber'. Surely a tie between them on major mountain stages?

Imo Alberto is a bit better, but not everyone has to agree of course

 

[LaFlorecita]

Hm, what exactly are we discussing? You was calling the 2012 Tour a cakewalk. I was doing the same with the 2011 Giro. But I find an approach according to which you simply take and compare 4 minutes and 10 very simplified. Too much depends on opponents and their racing styles. Yes, very likely Contador is the better GT rider in terms of perspective to ride two grand tours and I was always agree with that, but it doesn't mean that Froome is potentially weaker for the Tour. These 2 aspects (tour and 2 gt's) lie in a bit different planes. Imo, both Schleck and Contador would have collided with huge problems on the climbs if they had ridden this Tour. And to me, not to admit this is kinda reluctance to reconcile with something you. As I understand, you are, to put it mildly, disagree?

Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

Go discuss this in the Alberto or Froome thread

 

[airstream]

Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

Go discuss this in the Alberto or Froome thread

Do you want me to remind you who will own all the guys in the 2013 Tour?

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Hm, what exactly are we discussing? You was calling the 2012 Tour a cakewalk. I was doing the same with the 2011 Giro. But I find an approach according to which you simply take and compare 4 minutes and 10 very simplified. Too much depends on opponents and their racing styles. Yes, very likely Contador is the better GT rider in terms of perspective to ride two grand tours and I was always agree with that, but it doesn't mean that Froome is potentially weaker for the Tour. These 2 aspects (tour and 2 gt's) lie in a bit different planes. Imo, both Schleck and Contador would have collided with huge problems on the climbs if they had ridden this Tour. As I understand, you are, to put it mildly, disagree?

You don't think they would have ridden away from Wiggins on mountain stages? Wiggins was easily the best in the TT, and very strong in the mountains but has no punch whatsoever in the last 5k of a mountain stage. Froome would either have stuck with Wiggins and lost time, or could possibly have kept pace if left to his own devices

 

[LaFlorecita]

Do you want me to remind you who will own all the guys in the 2013 Tour?

I want to discuss the SchleckChute™ deployment and those puppies you keep on talking about.

 

[airstream]

I want to discuss the SchleckChute™ deployment and those puppies you keep on talking about.

I was saying about the 'puppy' hanging a saintbernard

 

[Miburo]

Do you want me to remind you who will own all the guys in the 2013 Tour?

Euh this is an andy schleck thread so we can't discuss about this guy in this thread. A shame

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

I want to discuss the SchleckChute™ deployment and those puppies you keep on talking about.

There will likely be no FS to get tangled in SchleckChute™ next year

 

[airstream]

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You don't think they would have ridden away from Wiggins on mountain stages? Wiggins was easily the best in the TT, and very strong in the mountains but has no punch whatsoever in the last 5k of a mountain stage. Froome would either have stuck with Wiggins and lost time, or could possibly have kept pace if left to his own devices

they could of gained some time surely, but not enough to make wiggins panic or something. the ascents to toussuire and pdbf were so hyper rapid and rabid)...actually, i'm wondering if that was possible to implement successful attack there.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

they could of gained some time surely, but not enough to make wiggins panic or something. the ascents to toussuire and pdbf were so hyper rapid and rabid)...actually, i'm wondering if that was possible to implement successful attack there.

2013 will reveal all Hopefully they are all there to challenge

 

[T-Nielsen]

Don't know why we are talking about them, but they are cute though... awwwww...

 

[ferryman]

Okay if we're going to compare the 2, Contador ended up 3-4 minutes back at the Tour after his Giro win and Froome ended up 10 minutes back at the Vuelta after his Tour podium. Is this the comparison that you're making in response to my "cakewalk" reference? This is with the strong Sky support that he had at both and the minimal Saxo support that Contador had at the Tour. Let me say that I think Froome has great potential but he has yet to show what he's capable of when he's at his best against the sports elite grand tour racers when they're at their best with the exception of Nibali. We will have to see what happens come July 2013. I agree that Sky has a formidable stage racing lineup that is unrivaled in the sport.

He done damn well before against Wiggins before being told to put the brakes on

But yes he isn't in the elite or anywhere near the elite of GT contenders if they all show up. Either is Wiggins for that matter.

 

[movingtarget]

I'm all for making fun of Andy, but it's pretty obvious he's struggling at the moment, and I for one hope he recovers next season.

Yeah it's almost getting as bad as the Evans hysteria from a few years ago with so much sheet dumped on the guy. I want to see Andy back, fit and well. Be great to see him battling it out in the mountains with Contador and Froome in 2013 amongst others.

 

[Carols]

Yeah it's almost getting as bad as the Evans hysteria from a few years ago with so much sheet dumped on the guy. I want to see Andy back, fit and well. Be great to see him battling it out in the mountains with Contador and Froome in 2013 amongst others.

Andy doesn't know or care that many of us think he is wasting his Hugh Talent. He'll just do whatever he likes as always with goofy boyish charm.

But I also want him to be well and On Form and deliver on some of that awesome potential. I want him to grow some stones and ride like a Bike Racer!
It would make for some great racing!!!

 

[Alpehue]

Hm, what exactly are we discussing? You was calling the 2012 Tour a cakewalk. I was doing the same with the 2011 Giro. But I find an approach according to which you simply take and compare 4 minutes and 10 very simplified. Too much depends on opponents and their racing styles. Yes, very likely Contador is the better GT rider in terms of perspective to ride two grand tours and I was always agree with that, but it doesn't mean that Froome is potentially weaker for the Tour. These 2 aspects (tour and 2 gt's) lie in a bit different planes. Imo, both Schleck and Contador would have collided with huge problems on the climbs if they had ridden this Tour. And to me, not to admit this is kinda reluctance to reconcile with something new. As I understand, you are, to put it mildly, disagree?

Im not sure if wiggins wouldent have won TDF 2012 even if Contador had been there.

 

[Carols]

Andy abandons! What a Shock

http://cdn1.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2011/12/07/1/radioshack_nissan_calpe_2011_038_220.jpg

 

[Afrank]

Andy abandons! What a Shock

http://cdn1.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net//2011/12/07/1/radioshack_nissan_calpe_2011_038_220.jpg

Eh, he made it to the final stage and got some racing days in his legs. He did what he needed to do.

I will never understand though, why some people take pleasure in seeing someone fail.

 

[Parrulo]

i don't think this is a fail for him. . . to be honest i no longer care about andy schleck at all. his attitude towards the sport is pretty much pathetic. any other guy would have ridden the rest of the stage which were just a few(ish) flat k's and finish the race giving his team something to boost about to his fan (the team biggest star finally returns from injury and finishes the TdB) and his fans something to be happy about.

all this has turned schleck into some1 completely irrelevant cept for 3 weeks in july

 

[Carols]

I will never understand though, why some people take pleasure in seeing someone fail.

It's the pleasure of needling certain posters

I'd never wish anything bad for Andy.

 

[movingtarget]

Eh, he made it to the final stage and got some racing days in his legs. He did what he needed to do.

I will never understand though, why some people take pleasure in seeing someone fail.

He broke his pelvis. I agree with you. Maybe everyone should lighten up on the Schleck bashing. There are plenty of opportunities for that in the Clinic at the moment. It's a madhouse in there.

 

[ILovecycling]

Whats the offseason plan for Andy?As for me I think he should race Down Under in January and has a first peak at Paris Nice,than rest,than the Tour

 

[hoerpi]

Whats the offseason plan for Andy?As for me I think he should race Down Under in January and has a first peak at Paris Nice,than rest,than the Tour

Better to have the first peak in the ardennes or itzulia where he can compete. He'll need that time to get in form as well.

i don't think tour of beijing was that horrible considering that he just recently was able to ride longer rides than three hours.

 

[rghysens]

Whats the offseason plan for Andy?

Drinking and getting laid?