Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[theyoungest]

dont write what i wasnt saying. im building purely on total time. however you dislike it, this is the case. OK. He rode the giro. whose fault was that? if youre allegedly unbiased, unlike me, you can accuse contador of starting in the giro the same way as you accuse schleck of hesitation in the pyrenees.

One thing is for sure: if Andy rode the Giro like Contador did last year, he'd be nowhere in the Tour.

 

[phanatic]

One thing is for sure: if Andy rode the Giro like Contador did last year, he'd be nowhere in the Tour.

to be fair, if Andy rode that Giro (and was in form), they both may have skipped the Tour altogether.

 

[airstream]

One thing is for sure: if Andy rode the Giro like Contador did last year, he'd be nowhere in the Tour.

he clearly would have been worse than contador, but not so much worse as many people would like to think.

 

[El Pistolero]

Except for the Galibier there are very little examples of Andy doing a solo on a MTF. And he actually made most of his time in the valley on the Galibier stage.

 

[cineteq]

im taking into consideration exactly the sum of the time on high mountain stages during 09-11 tours or we have to do a more precise calculation?

the added time does not mean anything, since riders are not robots and every stage implies a new strategy and circunstances.

 

[airstream]

the added time does not mean anything, since riders are not robots and every stage implies a new strategy and circunstances.

i dont absolutize these seconds. it was just a modest observation in response to the categorical La Frorecita's cue

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I don't understand some of the post at all. please someone explain it to me like i am a 2 years old (denzel )

 

[LaFlorecita]

i dont absolutize these seconds. it was just a modest observation in response to the categorical La Frorecita's cue

Oh come on, please. You know better than this. I don't know what planet Minsk is, but it must be far away where reality is a whole lot different.

 

[airstream]

Oh come on, please. You know better than this. I don't know what planet Minsk is, but it must be far away where reality is a whole lot different.

what do i know better? what has my location got to do with that?

 

[Carols]

Oh come on, please. You know better than this. I don't know what planet Minsk is, but it must be far away where reality is a whole lot different.

ROTFL...Minsk is in Belarus.

One has to appreciate Airstreams unwavering devotion and this IS the Andy Schleck APPRECIATION thread. So let him dream on, he is entitled

 

[airstream]

thanks, Carols. im glad there are some people who treat my harmless posts gently. the bashers community inevitably needed а little shake-up.

 

[El Pistolero]

Belarus, isn't that the same European country that still uses the capital punishment seems quite normal to me

Belarus - home of the last European dictator.

 

[LaFlorecita]

what do i know better? what has my location got to do with that?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Belarus, isn't that the same European country that still uses the capital punishment seems quite normal to me

Belarus - home of the last European dictator.

Stop. No mean jokes about his country. That's mean.

 

[LaFlorecita]

thanks, Carols. im glad there are some people who treat my harmless posts gently. the bashers community inevitably needed а little shake-up.

Listen up bro, I have no problem with you, but I do have a problem with your posts. Half of your posts I don't even understand, and of the other half a big part is bulls.hit. It's okay if you're an Andy fanboy, but at least acknowledge you are, because your posts are not those of a "general cycling fan".

 

[LaFlorecita]

ROTFL...Minsk is in Belarus.

Oh really...?

 

[The Hitch]

You are also not taking into account the tts.

Ok we have a minute on 2 climbs in 2009. 39 seconds in 2010.

Andy got 3.50 on Contador in Galibier, but lost a minute 7 in Gap. 34 seconds on Alpe.

So Andys advantage is 2 09 for 2011. Take away the 39 from 2010 and you have 1.30. Take away the 1 min from 2010 and you get 30 seconds.

But lets bring in the time trials now.

When I said Contador won the Annency tt airstream complained that that was not a real tt cos it had a hill in it.

Ok then, lets look at that hill, thats a climb, how much time did The Great One take over Andy there, probably about 30 seconds maybe?

Then theres the Monaco tt, a 7.5km climb, thats another minute.

And he beat Andy by 1.30 on a super hilly course in the tt in 2011. Another 30 seconds of climbing advantage there?

So 1 min + 30s + 30 seconds = 2 minutes.

30 seconds advantage for Andy becomes 1.30 for Contador when we take in the tts.

This despite the fact that Andy had a golden opportunity to put minutes into an exhausted injured Contador in 2011.

And thats not even looking at Contador outclimbing Schleck in the Ardennes in 2010 stgae 3. Andy only got back on the flat because Contador waited for him. Something funnily Andy has never thanked him for.

 

[airstream]

You are also not taking into account the tts.

for sure, otherwise i wouldnt assume such a thing at all.

Andy got 3.50 on Contador in Galibier, but lost a minute 7 in Gap. 34 seconds on Alpe.

i made a few reservations, one of which was "on high mountain stages", but ok.

When I said Contador won the Annency tt airstream complained that that was not a real tt cos it had a hill in it.

Ok then, lets look at that hill, thats a climb, how much time did The Great One take over Andy there, probably about 30 seconds maybe?

it is not questioned, that discussion related to comparison of contador and evans, though.
i think he put 30 sec into cancellara on the hill, less - in reference to andy.

And he beat Andy by 1.30 on a super hilly course in the tt in 2011. Another 30 seconds of climbing advantage there?

as you like, though 2-3% is not a climbing gradient. i realised that evans' edge on false flat was emerging even more clearly than on pan flat. contador's tt became a surprise.

 

[Angliru]

he clearly would have been worse than contador, but not so much worse as many people would like to think.

Well using the 2009 Vuelta as an example of his back-to-back grand tour performances, I'd say the evidence shows he'd have been much worse off but of course he was lacking motivation right?

 

[hrotha]

One thing is for sure: if Andy rode the Giro like Contador did last year, he'd be nowhere in the Tour.

But how can we know for sure? It's not like he's ever actually raced more than one stage race per year, let alone more than one GT.

 

[El Pistolero]

But how can we know for sure? It's not like he's ever actually raced more than one stage race per year, let alone more than one GT.

That's why we know

 

[hrotha]

That's why we know

No, that's not empirical. That just allows us to infer he's a lazy bum who doesn't actually like cycling.

 

[El Pistolero]

No, that's not empirical. That just allows us to infer he's a lazy bum who doesn't actually like cycling.

It is empirical. How much is determined by your mental state and how much by raw talent? You need both to be truly great in this sport. It's pretty clear by now Schleck the younger lacks in one of those aspects

It's also the reason why Lance Armstrong won 7 Tours instead of VDB

 

[theyoungest]

Except for the Galibier there are very little examples of Andy doing a solo on a MTF. And he actually made most of his time in the valley on the Galibier stage.

What do you imply? That Andy Schleck is a great rider on the flat?

No, that's not empirical. That just allows us to infer he's a lazy bum who doesn't actually like cycling.

The massive leap of form he usually makes from the Tour de Suisse to the Tour suggests that his span of top form is really, really short. So it's empirical.

 

[El Pistolero]

That Andy has never dropped everyone on a climb.