Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[burning]

By this rate, he's not going to be a profitable pick in CQ game

 

[LaFlorecita]

I dont agree.Cycling/fans need them because they make races/Tour gripping and exceptional.Maybe Chris is interesting rider too,I hope he will attack with or without them...

there are/will be other riders who can do that as well.

But sort of Evans,Wiggins,VDB attack are sooo soo boring

have i ever said the opposite?

 

[airstream]

Some Contadors fans remind me jealous 5 year old kids whom their parents inform that soon they have one more adding to the family. It brings fear, anger and jealousy. Fear truly paralizes. Trying to run away from fear, people begin to post delusional things like 'froome cant bring a spectacle' and mock Andy who is still recovering.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Some Contadors fans remind me jealous 5 year old kids whom their parents inform that soon they have one more adding to the family. It brings fear, anger and jealousy. Fear truly paralizes. Trying to run away from fear, people begin to post delusional things like 'froome cant bring a spectacle' and mock Andy who is still recovering.

It is fun though

 

[ILovecycling]

there are/will be other riders who can do that as well.


have i ever said the opposite?

A)Hope so,Quintana and Pinot,maybe Edmondson etc.

B)No,Im sorry it was additional sentense to my post,it was not to you

 

[LaFlorecita]

A)Hope so,Quintana and Pinot,maybe Edmondson etc.

B)No,Im sorry it was additional sentense to my post,it was not to you

Okay

Airstream I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense

 

[jens_attacks]

]Some Contadors fans remind me jealous 5 year old kids whom their parents inform that soon they have one more adding to the family.[/B] It brings fear, anger and jealousy. Fear truly paralizes. Trying to run away from fear, people begin to post delusional things like 'froome cant bring a spectacle' and mock Andy who is still recovering.

airstream do you have a story for us? i will understand you,i 've been through that

 

[Carols]

Well at least he should finish, guess we'll have to settle for that for now.

: He's a DNF???? My goodness; I was even wrong about finishing He really needs to do something about his chain issues, that problem seems to haunt him

 

[ultimobici]

: He's a DNF???? My goodness; I was even wrong about finishing He really needs to do something about his chain issues, that problem seems to haunt him

Seems to be cack handed when it comes to using derailleurs, be they mechanical or electric. AS doesn't seem to have the necessary grinta to carry out his profession professionally. It appears he and his brother have inherited none of their father's cycling nous, as witnessed at Liege a couple of years ago at the hands of Gilbert and at the Tour every year since he started.

In short AS is the epitome of much that is wrong with modern cycling.

 

[gruppeto993]

Seems to be cack handed when it comes to using derailleurs, be they mechanical or electric. AS doesn't seem to have the necessary grinta to carry out his profession professionally. It appears he and his brother have inherited none of their father's cycling nous, as witnessed at Liege a couple of years ago at the hands of Gilbert and at the Tour every year since he started.

In short AS is the epitome of much that is wrong with modern cycling.

andy is one of the two best climbers along with alberto in today's era. Hanging up his wheels isn't going to do the sport any good.

 

[cineteq]

a) andy once was one of the two best climbers along with alberto in today's era. Hanging up his wheels isn't going to do the sport any good.

You cannot longer say that, so I fixed it for you.

 

[Christian]

Some Contadors fans remind me jealous 5 year old kids whom their parents inform that soon they have one more adding to the family. It brings fear, anger and jealousy. Fear truly paralizes. Trying to run away from fear, people begin to post delusional things like 'froome cant bring a spectacle' and mock Andy who is still recovering.

Well said my friend, I completely agree. One only has to look at the statistics:

User Name Posts
LaFlorecita 399 --> Alberto fan
airstream 277 --> Andy fan
Angliru 119 --> Alberto fan
The Hitch 98 --> Alberto fan
El Pistolero 97 --> Alberto fan
Forunculo 73 --> Alberto fan
Zam_Olyas 70 --> Random dude
Christian 62 --> Andy fan
Vino attacks everyone 57 --> Alberto fan
Afrank 47 --> Andy fan

This is very interesting, and I have done a report on Sigmund Freund in 10th grade so I think I know where this comes from.

Some people (although certainly not all the ones that are listed above) feel the need to simplify reality into binary tandems. Good and bad. Love and hate. Black and white. One means nothing without the other. This is very noticeable in sports: hence LaFlorecita deviding the forum into "Alberto fans" and "Andy fans", which, of course, could not be further from the truth. The success of Michael Schumacher is meaningless without the tears of Mika Häkkinnen, Barcelona's victory only counts because Real Madrid loses, and same with Contador: the only way his success means anything to his fans is by relinquishing in the misfortunes of his opposite (black and white, good and bad, etc.). This is why the vast majority of posts in the Andy Schleck thread are actually by self-proclaimed "Alberto fans".

But with the antagonism Alberto/Andy, there is yet another component, and that is a distinct extent of self-loathing. Let me explain. People are imperfect - they are lazy, snore, fail at tests, show up late to work, etc. That's why people admire the idea of perfection: just imagine being the best at what you do in every aspect of life. This wishful thinking is then projected onto athletes, actors, singers, because people only see them in a context in which they are, indeed, the best. Be it Justin Bieber at singing, Messi at playing football or Contador at cycling. In their own contexts they appear perfect, superhuman, demi-gods. Paradoxically, this is also the reason why we lust for celebrity snapshots: "Hey! Justin Bieber picks up his dry cleaning just like me! We are not so different after all!". Of course celebrities are normal people just like us, I am sure Contador snores and Justin Bieber picks his nose while Brad Pitt bites his nails.

The only thing people don't want to see is someone who reminds them of their own imperfections, someone who fails, has bad luck, comes up short: Andy. It is plain and simple self loathing. But the moment you realize that all your faults and flaws are actually what makes you likeable, interesting and human will be the moment you will emerge from your self loathing and become - mature. The exact quality that "Alberto fans" claim Andy doesn't have.

This one's on the house people

 

[veganrob]

That is interesting, informative and maybe largely true.

What does Freud say about delusional?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Am I an AC fan?
I just like to see the most aggressive and funny riders win. atm amongst the gc riders that is AC so i'll cheer for him. The day he becomes a boring wheelsucker I will start mocking LaFlorecita just as much as anyone else here

 

[LaFlorecita]

Am I an AC fan?
I just like to see the most aggressive and funny riders win. atm amongst the gc riders that is AC so i'll cheer for him. The day he becomes a boring wheelsucker I will start mocking LaFlorecita just as much as anyone else here

come on you are a fan

Being a fan of a rider doesn't mean it is your favorite rider btw. I am also a fan of Sagan for example but Alberto is my favorite.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

come on you are a fan

Being a fan of a rider doesn't mean it is your favorite rider btw. I am also a fan of Sagan for example but Alberto is my favorite.

as long as he continues to attack, I'll scream AC AC AC!! at my TV this summer for sure

 

[LaFlorecita]

...

Wow I didn't understand a thing except:

"People are imperfect - they are lazy, snore, fail at tests, show up late to work, etc." Yes I am lazy and I am always late but I don't snore and I never failed at tests

"I am sure Contador snores" No he doesn't. I know this

 

[ultimobici]

Nefarious connections aside, AC is a far more interesting rider than AS could ever hope to be.

He at least tries to win outside of the Ardennes & Tour, AS can't be arsed to finish anything other than the Tour. Contrast their palmares and one can see that AS simply doesn't try to win anywhere bar France.

His attitude is a disgrace for a rider who is supposedly a professional athlete. Sure he gets column inches, but for all the wrong reasons. Time AS HTFU or quits.

 

[airstream]

His attitude is a disgrace for a rider who is supposedly a professional athlete. Sure he gets column inches, but for all the wrong reasons. Time AS HTFU or quits.

Frankly speaking, such bombastic cues make me laugh. One should be an absolute perfectionist to dare to criticize this cycling hero.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Nefarious connections aside, AC is a far more interesting rider than AS could ever hope to be.

He at least tries to win outside of the Ardennes & Tour, AS can't be arsed to finish anything other than the Tour. Contrast their palmares and one can see that AS simply doesn't try to win anywhere bar France.

His attitude is a disgrace for a rider who is supposedly a professional athlete. Sure he gets column inches, but for all the wrong reasons. Time AS HTFU or quits.

wow I actually agreed until you said he should quit. I don't think he should quit, he makes me laugh and I kinda feel sorry for him

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Nefarious connections aside, AC is a far more interesting rider than AS could ever hope to be.

He at least tries to win outside of the Ardennes & Tour, AS can't be arsed to finish anything other than the Tour. Contrast their palmares and one can see that AS simply doesn't try to win anywhere bar France.

His attitude is a disgrace for a rider who is supposedly a professional athlete. Sure he gets column inches, but for all the wrong reasons. Time AS HTFU or quits.

Andy is always labelled lazy and this is put forward for the primary reason for not finishing races outwith July. I know that he likes a drink, and also the ladies, but consideration has to be given also to the premise that he is simply not as tough, mentally or Physically as Alberto (or others in the Peleton) and cannot compete all year round. Contador for example appears to thrive in the cold and wet while Andy (and Frank) loathe it. This is likely attributable to genetics. Andy's body does not react in the same way to the harsh winter months. Ability reduces, injuries more likely, no joy from it etc

If he gets joy from the Tour and puts on a spectacle then why complain. He knows his mind and body better than anyone and knows what he is capable of.

 

[airstream]

I personally root for Andy because I'm a romantic and I don't like everything mass, trivial and hackneyed. Andy Schleck has his own vision how he should ride and I appreciate it. In my view, a true fan never supports riders for his palmares primarily. A real fan roots for somebody who fills up his interior with positive things. I'm sure, vast majority of Contador fans (especially young guys or those who got interested year or 2 ago) support him because of titles. They root for him in order to say again and again:'Look! It is my guy. He has more titles than all these dudes taken altogether, but he anyway gets it. And I told you that it would be this way and it happens!" I'm not saying it is wrong. It is probably the opposite thing compared to what I feel. If Andy win the Tour, I won't gloat and brag 'I told you'. It would be taken very calmly. But when someone posts something like 'I hope Nibali [Froome] wins the Tour' and in a few minutes Hitch comes up with notorious 'It is ridiculous. They never beat Contador on the climbs. Could you call me a stage when they beat him? It is delusional', I feel very funny, because belief and support never imply any previous experience and stages when one beat other,

 

[LaFlorecita]

I personally root for Andy because I'm a romantic and I don't like everything mass, trivial and hackneyed. Andy Schleck has his own vision how he should ride and I appreciate it. In my view, a true fan never supports riders for his palmares primarily. A real fan roots for somebody who fills up his interior with positive things. I'm sure, vast majority of Contador fans (especially young guys or those who got interested year or 2 ago) support him because of titles. They root for him in order to say again and again:'Look! It is my guy. He has more titles than all these dudes taken altogether, but he anyway gets it. And I told you that it would be this way and it happens!" I'm not saying it is wrong. It is probably the opposite thing compared to what I feel. If Andy win the Tour, I won't gloat and brag 'I told you'. It would be taken very calmly. But when someone posts something like 'I hope Nibali [Froome] wins the Tour' and in a few minutes Hitch comes up with notorious 'It is ridiculous. They never beat Contador on the climbs. Could you call me a stage when they beat him? It is delusional', I feel very funny, because belief and support never imply any previous experience and stages when one beat other,

I actually think 99% of Alberto's fans like him and cheer for him because of his exciting racing style. He always attacks, always tries to win. That's what I (and I think almost all other fans) like. And that's also why I don't like Andy, because he doesn't care about any race that isn't Tdf or LBL.

 

[ultimobici]

wow I actually agreed until you said he should quit. I don't think he should quit, he makes me laugh and I kinda feel sorry for him

The reason I lambast AS is his attitude to racing in general.

He only tries in the Ardennes & France. He whines about descents, whines about weather, can't seem to use a front mech and seemingly is incapable of holding his place in the bunch.

I don't expect a rider of his type to be in the mix in Flanders, Roubaix or the like, but to take the approach he has to the season is akin to Man Utd or Chelsea only electing to play the FA Cup & Champions' League & skipping the Premier League altogether.

 

[LaFlorecita]

The reason I lambast AS is his attitude to racing in general.

He only tries in the Ardennes & France. He whines about descents, whines about weather, can't seem to use a front mech and seemingly is incapable of holding his place in the bunch.

I don't expect a rider of his type to be in the mix in Flanders, Roubaix or the like, but to take the approach he has to the season is akin to Man Utd or Chelsea only electing to play the FA Cup & Champions' League & skipping the Premier League altogether.

I completely agree