Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[T-Nielsen]

I am not arguing that Andy Schleck was a good descender. Indeed I would argue against anyone saying different. But I am afraid that WAS is the key word there. He seems to have lost his nerve quite a bit.

Probably started with Voigts bad chrash and then amplified (is that a word ?) by WWs sad end.

 

[Netserk]

Hey you, Andy was twice attacked by riders who changed on another [Contador, Sanchez, Menchov and Contador, Evans and Sanchez] and could not catch them. I know that in first case no rider wouldn't be able to get them. And you operate with it like a key criteria of one's descent ineptitude??!

Andy was descending like God from Col du Roome, taking maximal risk and gaining 20 sec on Nibali. He pressed Contador on the Madeleine descent. Manse was just a plaguy concatenation of circumstances, however Manse and statements followed it are remembered and relished so often as though it is the only thing to make conclusion. What is more, all these details are remembered by the same people from time to time.

I'll ask differently then. When was the last time Andy dropped anyone in a descent? When was the last time Andy took time from someone (GC rider) in front of him in a descent? Never?

 

[Carols]

I am not arguing that Andy Schleck was a good descender. Indeed I would argue against anyone saying different. But I am afraid that WAS is the key word there. He seems to have lost his nerve quite a bit.

Probably started with Voigts bad chrash and then amplified (is that a word ?) by WWs sad end.

This.....Used to be, isn't anymore But that could change again if his mentality changes.

 

[Publicus]

Andy is a good descender, it was discussed numerous times. But evil pro Contador hearsay is able to remember only the Manse stage. And everyone who didn't observe his descending before Manse blindly stick to this hearsay like it is the ultimate truth. It is a myth. It is an absolute hater bubble.

His reputation for poor descending has NOTHING to do with Contador and everything to do with his own performances and comments. Not everything goes stems from folks like of Contador.

 

[airstream]

His reputation for poor descending has NOTHING to do with Contador and everything to do with his own performances and comments. Not everything goes stems from folks like of Contador.

It has and it has not a little because all that comes from the same forum people.

 

[Angliru]

Andy is a good descender, it was discussed numerous times. But evil pro Contador hearsay is able to remember only the Manse stage. And everyone who didn't observe his descending before Manse blindly stick to this hearsay like it is the ultimate truth. It is a myth. It is an absolute hater bubble.

To use an analog analogy: I think your needle is stuck in the grooves of your vinyl.

 

[Angliru]

Hey you, Andy was twice attacked by riders who changed on another [Contador, Sanchez, Menchov and Contador, Evans and Sanchez] and could not catch them. I know that in first case no rider wouldn't be able to get them. And you operate with it like a key criteria of one's descent ineptitude??!

Andy was descending like God from Col du Roome, taking maximal risk and gaining 20 sec on Nibali. He pressed Contador on the Madeleine descent. Manse was just a plaguy concatenation of circumstances, however Manse and statements followed it are remembered and relished so often as though it is the only thing to make conclusion. What is more, all these details are remembered by the same people from time to time.

I doubt Andy's the worst descender in the pro peloton and he just may be pretty good at it but he made his own bed with his comments that descents shouldn't decide races. This came in a volley of media statements from him that anyone would find comical and leave the one making the statements open to whatever jokes that result.

 

[Publicus]

It has and it has not a little because all that comes from the same forum people.

I guess Jean-Francois Pescheux must be a forum member and pro-Contador:

Tour de France's race director Jean-Francois Pescheux answered the critics. "The finish is not dangerous," he told Cyclingnews. "It is part of the race anyway. The winner must be an all-rounder."

Pescheux reckoned there are "certainly some spins" in the descent. "But shall we cancel the Poggio in Milan-San Remo? Shall we draw the Tour's route on a motorway between Paris and Marseille? If so, those who complain could lose the race because of an echelon…"

More pro-Contador folks slandering Andy's descending skills:

“I think he struggled a lot under the conditions and the descent is not his favourite discipline,” Nygaard explained. “It’s not easy conditions he was riding under and the guys up front, they took a chance and it paid off.”

Fränk Schleck too understood how the team’s big rival managed to get the better of them in the stage.

“Contador knows all too well that the Schlecks don’t perform at their best in the cold and rainy conditions,” he said. “It’s all part of the game; knowing your opponents and knowing their weaknesses.

“He knows the conditions today, coupled with the dangerous descent, were not our strong point.”

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/9...ld-not-be-allowed.aspx#ixzz2MxA7fguU [/quote]

And here are Andy's words, please point out where they are the machinations of a pro-Contador forum participant:

“It was a dangerous finish,” Schleck told the TV cameras soon after the stage finish. “It was not a super climb, I did not feel super, when [Contador] attacked and I did a bad downhill.... “Actually a race decided in a downhill? I don’t know. I think the parcours is a really bad choice today; we don’t want to see riders crashing, or riders taking risks. Everybody has family at home and a finish like this should not be allowed.”


Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/9...this-should-not-be-allowed.aspx#ixzz2Mx9bKcbu

yes, I can see your point. It has everything to do with pro-Contador forum participants and NOTHING to do with Andy's own words and performance.

 

[movingtarget]

I doubt Andy's the worst descender in the pro peloton and he just may be pretty good at it but he made his own bed with his comments that descents shouldn't decide races. This came in a volley of media statements from him that anyone would find comical and leave the one making the statements open to whatever jokes that result.

Actually Frank is not much of a descender either or Menchov, Sastre, Basso or Moncoutie also. A really good descender like Hushovd, Nibali, Evans just look so much more relaxed on the bike. The former just look awkward and nervous.

 

[Carols]

I guess Jean-Francois Pescheux must be a forum member and pro-Contador:

More pro-Contador folks slandering Andy's descending skills:

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And here are Andy's words, please point out where they are the machinations of a pro-Contador forum participant:



yes, I can see your point. It has everything to do with pro-Contador forum participants and NOTHING to do with Andy's own words and performance.

Damn those evil pro Contador people! What a hoot Airstream stirring the pot once again

Andy's issues have Nothing to do with Contador or the people on this forum. His issues are His and His alone.

Andy brought it on himself and he can mitigate it by finding form, riding like a pro etc. In other words he needs to Accept Responsibilty, find solutions and implement them! Only he can turn around his poor reputation in the world of cycling.

 

[airstream]

Listen up, dear Angrilu and Publicus. I've followed the forum attentively since June, 2011 and I clearly know how this scheme works. First it was an eternal saga about whiners. Mur-de-Bretagne stage was already marked with series acrid mockeries, but it was only a start. PdB stage made half forum hate Andy. 'Contador, do them in!' Damn, I saw such posts! But it was only clearance of platform for even bbigger hatred. After Manse forum hardly exploded. It works like that: one comes to a thread, writes what a talentless descender Schleck is, then second one adds some idiotic pics and demotivators, then 10-15 people comes to the thread laught like idiots and later all 17 would hurry up to remember this descent loss.

Strictly speaking, the Manse descent wasn't difficult etal. It much easier than descents from PraMartino, Mortirolo, Mollard, Bales, upper part of Finestre descent and many others, but the weather brought its changes. Andy paniced and loss. His words surely didn't show his best side because it was an usual juvenile grievance and anger. But why hell that case is remembered more than Galibier and with such a big sweetness??! It is completely unhealthy. And I know thanks to whom it happens.

 

[Netserk]

Listen up, dear Angrilu and Publicus. I've followed the forum attentively since June, 2011 and I clearly know how this scheme works. First it was an eternal saga about whiners. Mur-de-Bretagne stage was already marked with series acrid mockeries, but it was only a start. PdB stage made half forum hate Andy. 'Contador, do them in!' Damn, I saw such posts! But it was only clearance of platform for even bbigger hatred. After Manse forum hardly exploded. It works like that: one comes to a thread, writes what a talentless descender Schleck is, then second one adds some idiotic pics and demotivators, then 10-15 people comes to the thread laught like idiots and later all 17 would hurry up to remember this descent loss.

Strictly speaking, the Manse descent wasn't difficult etal. It much easier than descents from PraMartino, Mortirolo, Mollard, Bales, upper part of Finestre descent and many others, but weather brought its changes. Andy paniced and loss. His words surely didn't show his best side because it was an usual juvenile grievance and anger. But why hell that case is remembered more than Galibier and with such a big sweetness??! It is completely unhealthy. And I know thanks to whom it happens.

Because he had his nanny to guide him down there

When it isn't raining Schleck is as good a descender as Menchov. When it's raining, he's worse than any other in the pro peloton.

 

[Publicus]

Listen up, dear Angrilu and Publicus. I've followed the forum attentively since June, 2011 and I clearly know how this scheme works. First it was an eternal saga about whiners. Mur-de-Bretagne stage was already marked with series acrid mockeries, but it was only a start. PdB stage made half forum hate Andy. 'Contador, do them in!' Damn, I saw such posts! But it was only clearance of platform for even bbigger hatred. After Manse forum hardly exploded. It works like that: one comes to a thread, writes what a talentless descender Schleck is, then second one adds some idiotic pics and demotivators, then 10-15 people comes to the thread laught like idiots and later all 17 would hurry up to remember this descent loss.

Strictly speaking, the Manse descent wasn't difficult etal. It much easier than descents from PraMartino, Mortirolo, Mollard, Bales, upper part of Finestre descent and many others, but the weather brought its changes. Andy paniced and loss. His words surely didn't show his best side because it was an usual juvenile grievance and anger. But why hell that case is remembered more than Galibier and with such a big sweetness??! It is completely unhealthy. And I know thanks to whom it happens.

This seems like a lot of words to say you were wrong, but it is big of you to acknowledge that the facts just weren't on your side on this one.

 

[airstream]

Don't call one's fans' (at 80-90%) product of imigination 'poor reputation'. It is not the case.

This seems like a lot of words to say you were wrong, but it is big of you to acknowledge that the facts just weren't on your side on this one.

I discuss only If I'm right.

Look at people who try to shame me. If one of neutrals like Ferminal or 18.Valve-Pithy said 'you are probably wrong', I'd ponder... In the situation we have you just blanch over your bipolar perception: one guy is good and other is bad, poor etc

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

Listen up, dear Angrilu and Publicus. I've followed the forum attentively since June, 2011 and I clearly know how this scheme works. First it was an eternal saga about whiners. Mur-de-Bretagne stage was already marked with series acrid mockeries, but it was only a start. PdB stage made half forum hate Andy. 'Contador, do them in!' Damn, I saw such posts! But it was only clearance of platform for even bbigger hatred. After Manse forum hardly exploded. It works like that: one comes to a thread, writes what a talentless descender Schleck is, then second one adds some idiotic pics and demotivators, then 10-15 people comes to the thread laught like idiots and later all 17 would hurry up to remember this descent loss.

Strictly speaking, the Manse descent wasn't difficult etal. It much easier than descents from PraMartino, Mortirolo, Mollard, Bales, upper part of Finestre descent and many others, but the weather brought its changes. Andy paniced and loss. His words surely didn't show his best side because it was an usual juvenile grievance and anger. But why hell that case is remembered more than Galibier and with such a big sweetness??! It is completely unhealthy. And I know thanks to whom it happens.

them r just buttmad because Andy is a clean rider but still had success and got press and money

 

[Publicus]

Don't call one's fans' (at 80-90%) product of imigination 'poor reputation'. It is not the case.


I discuss only If I'm right.

If that was the case we'd hardly ever hear from you. Hilarious to see you holding on to your misinformed opinion on this subject, but then you wouldn't be airstream if you actually acknowledged you were wrong.

P.S. Just saw your edit. I posted words from the director of the Tour de France, Nygaard and Frank Schleck that proved you wrong. It doesn't get much more neutral than that trio. You're factually wrong chief. It happens. Let it go and move on. There's plenty you can (wrongly) blame Contador and his fans for and the day isn't getting any shorter!

 

[Carols]

them r just buttmad because Andy is a clean rider but still had success and got press and money

Take it to the clinic....no doping talk here. I'm sure you'll find many who disagree with with your statement 'clean rider' over there.

 

[Angliru]

them r just buttmad because Andy is a clean rider but still had success and got press and money

Errr, Airstream isn't on the same train of thought as you may think on the topic of Andy's saintliness.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17878&highlight=cera&page=94

 

[airstream]

Errr, Airstream isn't on the same train of thought as you may think on the topic of Andy's saintliness.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17878&highlight=cera&page=94

Excellent remark from the fan who chose one of the most clean riders of the era like an object of his support.

 

[Carols]

Clinic boys...Clinic Please

 

[Netserk]

Clinic boys...Clinic Please

I second this.

As a mod.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Still no word on Andys position today?

 

[Angliru]

Excellent remark from the fan who chose one of the most clean riders of the era like an object of his support.

Just keeping it real. Based on my need to often remind you of a quote from you that "Contador raped my love of cycling", it's fair to conclude that you were at some point a Contador fan, have for whatever reason decided that he's betrayed your love and you are now on a vendetta to ensure that he and all who follow him feel the wrath of your brokenheart.

 

[airstream]

Just keeping it real. Based on my need to often remind you of a quote from you that "Contador raped my love of cycling", it's fair to conclude that you were at some point a Contador fan, have for whatever reason decided that he's betrayed your love and you are now on a vendetta to ensure that he and all who follow him feel the wrath of your brokenheart.

No, I always disliked him, but some episodes changed attitude to him for the worse. Say, shameful Contador's behaviour at the start of Aubisque stage. Rascal.

 

[Netserk]

No, I always disliked him, but some episodes changed attitude to him for the worse. Say, shameful Contador's behaviour at the start of Aubisque stage. Rascal.

In 2007?