Andy Schleck's chain jammed

[sultanofhyd]

Maybe more people would like Schleck if he stops the hypocritical whiny *****ing.

For now though...

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Since it was asked, AC should have waited. It was a move of desperation and fear.

 

[Archibald]

it's July already?

 

[indurain666]

Mind you, I was a big fan of the Schleck boys a couple of seasons ago and would love to see a tight race. As much as I like Alberto the sport and fans could benefit from Schleck beating Alberto at least once just to make the race more interesting over the next few seasons.

However, I am getting sick and tired of his spoiled-brat attitude. Biggest hypocrisy being how he never talks about how Cancellara literally stopped the race in order to wait for him.

Schleck's comment is priceless: "It's hard to say which is more difficult. The Galibier is higher, isn't it? (the Col du Tourmalet is 2115m, the Col du Galibier is 2642m). Altitude is an important factor. I prefer the Alps but simply because I find them more beautiful!" than pretty much defines him as an athlete..

 

[Parrulo]

it's July already?

epic paint is epic

 

[Trev_S]

The silly thing with this debate and most certainly one the A.Schleck won't (or doesn't) see is he opened the attack. From that point it's race on.

He attacked, screwed it up, then expects others to wait for hm

Nope, every rider had the right to keep on going (it wasn't just Contador).

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

However, I am getting sick and tired of his spoiled-brat attitude. Biggest hypocrisy being how he never talks about how Cancellara literally stopped the race in order to wait for him.

He didn't neutralise just for Andy. Doubtless, Shleck did benefit, but I remember AC crashed also and was shepherded back to the peloton.

"It was like skating on ice, and the bike was uncontrollable." -Contador

"That wasn't a strike. With this action we wanted to show our solidarity with the many crash victims." -Linus Gerdeman

"We knew that crashes were unavoidable so we tried to set the pace at the front of the pack but the surface was simply as slippery as soap and bikes and motor bikes were scattered everywhere in the chaos on the descent." Bjarne Riis

 

[No_Balls]

As a sportsman, he should have waited. Like Armstrong waited for Ullrich 2001 and - even more comparable to chaingate - Ullrich waited for Armstrong in 2003, as Ullrich was second to Armstrong in this very moment.

No, you clown. At that moment, Ullrich attacked, but with his punchy style he did not gained much and didn´t succeed with the escape.

As a professional cyclist, he knew that he would lose the Tour to Schleck if he didn't attack: Schleck had easily dropped AC just a few seconds before the incident and AC was in serious trouble.

I can understand that AC decided to attack. But this attack showed what - among other things which would belong in a different forum - seperates AC from the true champions of the sport: He is just a (very) talented rider, not a champion.

Which else "great champion from the past" has waited when a serious rival has faced trouble in the past? Since you obviously know jack-**** about cycling i wont except an answer.

Teach your god how to shift gear and then we can discuss.

 

[Thomsena]

If Andy had to ability to change gears on his bike this would never have been up for discussion. instead he makes a fool of himself by moaning about Contador and imbarrassed his mechanics though they had done nothing wrong. Andy seemed like a nice chap a couple of years ago but has turned into a little baby. Hope Frank beats Andy this year. Frank is alright.

 

[Angliru]

the contador fans will say what they want, the schleck fans will say what they want. its neverending and its getting old.

Andy is the only one of the participants that is keeping it alive.

 

[jobiwan]

Andy is the only one of the participants that is keeping it alive.

The best way to kill this topic is to ignore Andy. I like him, but it's for the best.

(And close this thread.)

 

[Angliru]

As a sportsman, he should have waited. Like Armstrong waited for Ullrich 2001 and - even more comparable to chaingate - Ullrich waited for Armstrong in 2003, as Ullrich was second to Armstrong in this very moment.

As a professional cyclist, he knew that he would lose the Tour to Schleck if he didn't attack: Schleck had easily dropped AC just a few seconds before the incident and AC was in serious trouble.

I can understand that AC decided to attack. But this attack showed what - among other things which would belong in a different forum - seperates AC from the true champions of the sport: He is just a (very) talented rider, not a champion.

Is Armstrong the only reference point that many of you have? There are other circumstances involving other riders that one could choose from. Armstrong's incident doesn't automatically validate Wandy Schwecks whiny persepctive. His team has since shown that sportsmanship is not high on their list of priorities. Now whining, that has to be near the top, along with questionable tactical decisions.

 

[Angliru]

Leopard-Trek have eliminated the possibility of this happening again, they aren't running SRAM on their bikes.

Umm, that didn't stop Andy from having the same problem in a very recent time trial. Man those mechanics really need a good talking to.

 

[Angliru]

Since it was asked, AC should have waited. It was a move of desperation and fear.

What it was was a natural reaction to one's primary opponent mounting an attack. The fact that you fail to see this is quite puzzling.

 

[phanatic]

Andy is the only one of the participants that is keeping it alive.

Andy is the only one that lost the TDF because of it. (Or was he questioned about it?) In any case this is just Andy creating a s-storm and saying he was better than Bertie last year. Andy is back in smack-talking form, and a thread should be set aside just to handle it all. I also enjoyed his preference for the Alps over the Pyrenees, lol. (I voted Contador was right)

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

What it was was a natural reaction to one's primary opponent mounting an attack. The fact that you fail to see this is quite puzzling.

True, but AC continued knowing that Andy had a mechanical. That was the move of desperate man. Personally, I see it as cowardly, like kicking a downed a opponent.

If the roles were reversed, I'd feel the same sense of disgust toward Schleck.

 

[Angliru]

The silly thing with this debate and most certainly one the A.Schleck won't (or doesn't) see is he opened the attack. From that point it's race on.

He attacked, screwed it up, then expects others to wait for hm

Nope, every rider had the right to keep on going (it wasn't just Contador).

Exactly. If you start a fight don't expect your opponent to wait until you get your self together.

Andy must have mistaken the Tour for a "No Drop" ride, where mechanicals are a reason to stop and wait.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

As a professional cyclist, he knew that he would lose the Tour to Schleck if he didn't attack: Schleck had easily dropped AC just a few seconds before the incident and AC was in serious trouble.

lol. Did you watch the stage last year or did you just read about it?

I encourage you to take another look at the footage. When AS's chain came off it took AC only 3 seconds to pass AS. He was not even close to being in trouble. The only reason why he wasn't in AS's wheels immediately was because he was badly positioned.

 

[Angliru]

True, but AC continued knowing that Andy had a mechanical. That was the move of desperate man. Personally, I see it as cowardly, like kicking a downed a opponent.

If the roles were reversed, I'd feel the same sense of disgust toward Schleck.

For some strange reason I find that hard to believe.

 

[Angliru]

True, but AC continued knowing that Andy had a mechanical. That was the move of desperate man. Personally, I see it as cowardly, like kicking a downed a opponent.

If the roles were reversed, I'd feel the same sense of disgust toward Schleck.

For all Contador knew Andy could've been inflicted with a serious cramp in his hammies. Contador passed Andy on the left/cliff side of the road with little room to spare. Vino was on the inside. Andy was still rolling although not pedaling any longer. You're on a mountain road, passing your opponent on the cliff side with likely a precarious drop on your left, and you're supposed to take the time to peruse the state of your opponent's bike?

 

[Parrulo]

no contador was in big trouble that day. he was going to be dropped like a stone by schleck. just like in mende

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_jnzynUECg&feature=related

it felt like andy was riding all his way too the sun

 

[Franklin]

True, but AC continued knowing that Andy had a mechanical. That was the move of desperate man. Personally, I see it as cowardly, like kicking a downed a opponent.

If the roles were reversed, I'd feel the same sense of disgust toward Schleck.

Steering, shifting, it's part of the game.

Andy lost because he made a serious error by going away with a ridiculous gear (big in front and big in the back). Then he tried to shift his front in full flight (as obviously his legs went BOOM)...

Sorry, if you do silly, unnecessary stuff that, you simply have it coming. he could have chosen a gear with the same transmission but with a more sensible chain line.

You are being disgusted with the wrong guy. You should be disgusted with AS because he showed that he perfectly ruined the best chance he ever had to beat AS.

So... if AS screws up, AC has to wait as that is honorable. Yet attacking when AC is going to the back to talk to his DS is ok?

I find both perfectly ok... yet you think one is more honorable than the other.

 

[icefire]

Nobody put the incident in better words than Hesjedal:

If you draw your sword and you drop it, you are dead

...and Sastre:

This is becoming a sport for spoiled brats

 

[Escarabajo]

2010 called...they want their TDF discussion back.

+1.

i am tired of listening andy schleck complaining about what happened last year! I think AC had the right to attack him when andy's chain jammed! so after almost a year what do you think of that episode???
do you think that AC should have waited Andy or he was right to attack him?

 

[patrick767]

I want Andy Schleck to do well, but he needs to shut up about this crap. Even with all the information after the fact, the incident is at best arguable. In the heat of the race and with other contenders riding onward too, it's a hell of a lot to ask that Contador wait... oh, and get all the others near him to wait too. I get that Andy was frustrated that day. He vented. Fine. Now it's almost a year later. Shut the f**k up, Andy.