Anne Gripper leaves UCI ... Adios '¡Olé!'

[IntheMidwest]

if you mean a special 'tagged' molecule that identifies cera then your statement above is incorrect. this was clarified conclusively. the true statement would be that cera has a special molecule (methoxy-polyethyleneglycol polymer) added to an active drug (r-epo).

the current cera detection test is a succsess partially due to the extended presence of epo in the circulation afforded by the polymer attached to epo.
agree but the cheats are not necessarily irrational when taking a chance. they count on two things:
(i) hope that the drug cleared the system by the time of the test
(ii) hope that the lab testing their sample is not yet certified for a relatively new test.

Thanks for the clarification Python. My understanding of CERA is that it is not synthetic r-EPO, but rather a drug that triggers the body into erythropoiesis (red blood cell formation), and would have been virtually undetectable had Roche not added an identifier to the drug. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Race Radio]

Thanks for the clarification Python. My understanding of CERA is that it is not synthetic r-EPO, but rather a drug that triggers the body into erythropoiesis (red blood cell formation), and would have been virtually undetectable had Roche not added an identifier to the drug. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

No molecule was added but the manufacture showed WADA how to look for a molecule that was already part of the drug.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Well, with the 2008 Giro it's known that the riders were all under the belief that it was completely undetectable, when in fact, WADA was working with Roche to help identify it all along. Thus:

1. Riders doping with CERA in 2008 were not trying very hard to mask the drug or hide it, making them relatively easy to catch.

2. Rides using CERA since that time have been very careful to take it when not likely to get tested, or microdosing it, or both, or just stupid.

I'm still hoping that in 2010 cycling (WADA) will find a way to do the same they did with CERA with Hematide and other EMP's that may be in use, and currently aren't easily detectable, if at all. I'm also hoping at some point one cycling governing body will bring out a CO test as a surprise on riders. Neither of these will come from the UCI however, as the UCI thinks cycling is mostly clean, and those that dope are actually being caught. So it's going to have to be someone like AFLD to do it.

 

[blackcat]

CERA was in the Operation Puerto files.

 

[python]

Thanks for the clarification Python.

no problem. there were several threads on this. check them out or pm me if interested in more than i summarized below. .

My understanding of CERA is that it is not synthetic r-EPO, but rather a drug that triggers the body into erythropoiesis (red blood cell formation), and would have been virtually undetectable had Roche not added an identifier to the drug. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

cera is every bit a synthetic (recombinant) epo as any original recombinant human epo (so called, first generation epos). in fact, cera’s biologically active part is epoetin beta, a member of the first generation of epo drugs - they are in clinical use for over two decades already. all epo variants including cera and our endogenous epo work the same - they stimulate rbc production. the difference between cera and the original epo drugs is that it ’hangs around’ in the circulation much longer (half life of 130h vs. 8h for the 1st gen epoetin-alfa/beta or our natural epo). the polymer molecule it is attached to makes cera too big (MW~60kD) to easily pass through the the kidney. so the epo continues to circulate in plasma hitting more epo receptors.

this btw was the undoing of cera as a doping agent. once the cera blood test was perfected only a true *** or a cockhead would knowingly use it. the early cera urine tests were unreliable compared to blood test. again, this was discussed over and over.

 

[luckyboy]

Francesca Rossi replaces Anne Gripper

Seems pretty shy about the hGH test..

And this was a weird answer about retrotesting for hGH. Don't really know what she's on about - "Well, what I mean is that you cannot always act in the same way. Only in some competitions, in others not; for some athletes, for others not."

 

[laziali]

Italian for an Aussie well well ... how quickly times can change

WTF??? 'cause Aussies don't dope? Anyone remember Vinnicombe or Pate

 

[blackcat]

WTF??? 'cause Aussies don't dope? Anyone remember Vinnicombe or Pate

they are almost as clean as the Brits. Not quite, but almost.

 

[laziali]

It is good that we can count on at least one person to work Lance and doping into every thread on this forum.

Silly us, Uru, who in their right mind would have ever put the Uniballer and doping in the same sentence. PS, they just found out that il papa is Catholic. Ssshh, don't tell anyone.

 

[hmronnow]

And this was a weird answer about retrotesting for hGH. Don't really know what she's on about - "Well, what I mean is that you cannot always act in the same way. Only in some competitions, in others not; for some athletes, for others not."

I agree that she didn't explain well. What I got out of the interview is that she sees a with retroactive testing, because only some samples from some races and riders are available. Hence, the question is whether it is fair to retro-test riders at those races, when other riders at other races go free. This particularly so becasue apparently the availability of old samples is up to the discetion of each lab, rather than being determined by some rules.

I appreciate her commenting that there is a need to create rules about longer storage of samples.

 

[FKLance]

I'm thinking: how much space do you actually need to store some samples for a year or two from some bigger races?? I mean one sample is not much is it? Seems WADA has not done much with retrospective testing, or is because it the agencys that are too much against it? Why not have a couple more fridges on every lab to save the blood from the winners of the biggest races on every major sport.


As a sidenote: Fransesco Rossi used to work (1997 onwards) at the infamous "anti-doping" laboratory in Rome, where the number of positive tests were almost non-existent in the 1990s!

During one raid at the International Olympic Committee-accredited laboratory in Rome, police discovered documents relating to dope tests stuffed into air conditioning vents. It led to a series of club officials being charged, the most prominent of them Antonio Giraudo, the Juventus general manager, and Riccardo Agricola, the club doctor, who, it is alleged, systematically provided and administered banned drugs to players between 1994 and 1998.

It also emerged that the Anti-Doping Laboratory in Rome, duly accredited by IOC, was used for a totally different purpose: to establish after how long traces of these drugs would disappear from the urine samples of the individual athletes.
The documents also proved that Dr. Faraggiana was regularly paid by the two Federations to administer these drugs and that he provided forbidden substances also to Prof. Conconi…

 

[joe_papp]

...
After being allowed to target astana and take their top riders down, it must have been tough to spend the next few years beating up some poor schmoes whose annual salaries would not cover the doping programs of the men in black, like being forced to kick domestic kittens after spending a a year hunting tigers.

rotflmfao... :d

 

[Krap Police]

rotflmfao... :d

U are the krappy doper who is going to jail for dealing drugz, arnt U

 

[joe_papp]

U are the krappy doper who is going to jail for dealing drugz, arnt U

And who might you be? The new sock puppet of a member who pretends not to know how to spell in a desperate attempt to seem clever?

And just an FYI - ****s like you can heckle all you want but in the future you won't garner a single response from me off the topic of the thread, as you're not collectively worth the time it would take to refute each of the erroneous and lame arguments you're likely to put forth.

 

[craig1985]

And who might you be? The new sock puppet of a member who pretends not to know how to spell in a desperate attempt to seem clever?

And just an FYI - ****s like you can heckle all you want but in the future you won't garner a single response from me off the topic of the thread, as you're not collectively worth the time it would take to refute each of the erroneous and lame arguments you're likely to put forth.

Good to see you posting anyway.

 

[Krap Police]

And who might you be? The new sock puppet of a member who pretends not to know how to spell in a desperate attempt to seem clever?

And just an FYI - ****s like you can heckle all you want but in the future you won't garner a single response from me off the topic of the thread, as you're not collectively worth the time it would take to refute each of the erroneous and lame arguments you're likely to put forth.

OK, but I did not say anyting erroneous yet. U can be mad from jail

 

[msjett]

WTF??? 'cause Aussies don't dope? Anyone remember Vinnicombe or Pate

I remember that, but I have never said Aussies don't dope. They are under the same suspicion as any other rider.

 

[Slumdog-Zomergem]

There was a big article in the local press a couple of weeks ago something along the lines of her longtime girlfriend dying in a plane crash in Africa & Anne continuing the charity work her gf was working on .