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LauraLyn

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Tinman said:
Here's the article translated,

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May the road rise with you.
With kind regards,
Jan Antonissen

I'm disappointed with Jan Antonissen in this. He has done some good investigative reporting in De Humo. This shows no investigative understanding.

http://www.humo.be/tags/94212/jan-antonissen

[Curious: Why does he change the English expression "May the road rise to meet you." to "May the road rise with you." A mistake or trying to be clever in a way I cannot understand (or appreciate)?]
 

LauraLyn

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To add to the list of upcoming interesting meetings for this topic:

WADA Athlete Committee Meeting
Date: September 18-19, 2012
Location: St. Petersburg, Russia
 
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Righto, I've edited the letter for politicians on WADA Board.

the big ring said:
It may pay to take WADA's lead in this. Not a lot of point in doing something if there is insufficient evidence at that level to actually request that something be done'...'

I hear ya. At the moment we can only make requests which are reasonable, based on the information we have now. As long as we are measured in what we ask for now though, there is no reason we can't make more requests if more information comes to light. I think the possibility of the amnesty being raised with WADA is a compelling reason to act now. The letter serve as a heads up that Pat's motives need to be watched carefully. It also lets the politicians know that someone is taking note of their actions within WADA. There is some chance they will exercise more caution in what they let Pat get up to, even if they don't move directly against him at this point. It's worth writing just for that chance in my view.

If you wanted to send a similar letter in Australia, I think it should go Kate Lundy. She is on the Foundation Board as a govt representative. I think John Fahey has been appointed by the Board and is not technically representing the Aus govt. It might work best to refer her to speak with Fahey or Ashenden. Play the aussie card, then Fahey hears about it anyway.

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'...'There are many serious insiders here that have insides and insights, and know each other. I do believe that with a bit of virtual teamwork something can be achieved here. '...'I will certainly do my bit based on your letter, although not sure which country I will pick.'...'

In theory, you should be writing to politicians in countries where you are a citizen or permanent resident (i.e. anywhere you are entitled to vote). I think the council of Europe is answerable to European Governments, so you probably have the right to also lobby Ms Maud de Boer-Buquicchio, Deputy Secretary General, Council of Europe, France and Ms Snežana Samardžič Markovič Director General for Democracy, Council of Europe
Republic of Serbia.

The letter probably needs some changes for European politicians though. It's currently most suited to NZ, Aus, and Canada (small population, similar system of govt, no clue about cycling).

I also think that with a bit of virtual teamwork we might be able to make a difference. Mostly because I'm convinced there are people within the system who are also trying to change things. We just need to drum up enough grass roots support to give those people some ammo. Hopefully we can persuade some clinic insiders to help.

HaHa, LauraLyn banned but not before doing some donkey work editing the letter.
 
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So HL2037 from Denmark, what is your contribution going to be? Or just "trolling" here?

My contribution will probably be the same as yours: Cheering on from a safe distance. But whatever it will be it will not take place on this forum. Look around: This place is dead and buried, it is a ghost board. Translate all you want, only livestrong pr people are ever going to read it.
 
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This place is dead and buried, it is a ghost board.

Must admit there seems to be a bit of a lull. Hopefully quiet before the storm...

I am planning to spend some time on letters to Wada/Nat feds querying UCI tenure tomorrow. Will yell out here if I need some help.
 
Interview from friday with Mart Smeets of NOS. (link gleaned from the twittershpere).

Talks about Qatar, USADA case file, general health of organization, and perception of organization

http://ewoud.home.xs4all.nl/tmp/20120921_nos_smeets_mcquaid.html.

Too diplomatic early in the interview, (everything is very good, everything is very good), but looseness up after he (rightly so, perhaps) was critical of the USADA's timeframe. Nothing about Kimmage,
 
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Wtf? UCI invents dopartheid?

“The UCI Steering Committee discussed the possibility of an operation similar to what South Africa knew at the end of Apartheid with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission,” said McQuaid. “The conclusion was that it would first be inappropriate to take any action while the USADA/Armstrong affair is underway and, in addition, the Global Code does not provide for any amnesty.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...mnesty-seeks-another-term-as-uci-chief_239510
 
doperhopper said:
Wtf? UCI invents dopartheid?

“The UCI Steering Committee discussed the possibility of an operation similar to what South Africa knew at the end of Apartheid with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission,” said McQuaid. “The conclusion was that it would first be inappropriate to take any action while the USADA/Armstrong affair is underway and, in addition, the Global Code does not provide for any amnesty.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...mnesty-seeks-another-term-as-uci-chief_239510

This is a particularly odd reference considering Pat contravened the anti-apartheid sporting boycott and was banned from the 1976 Olympics.

Aside from the obvious - he should never have been appointed to the head of an International Sports Governing body - his lack of conscience and the IOC's amnesia somehow conspired to allow him to hand out medals in 2012.

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Pat making big claims that things have improved on UCI anti-doping activities that don't add up from my quick review of the annual reports. I need to spend more time on this but only so many hours in the day.

Do we have someone with time, interest and basic financial ability to look at these reports and dig out the specifics on anti-doping activities, budgets, etc.

Volunteers? The data is all there, just needs a few hours of collating. Here's your chance to roll up your sleeves, put the data in a cross comparison table and make a contribution...

http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/UCI2/layout.asp?MenuId=MTk3OA&LangId=1

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/g...bjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NzM1MDA&LangId=1

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/g...bjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NzM1MDE&LangId=1

http://www.uci.ch/Files/2011_annual_report/activities_report/index.html

http://www.uci.ch/Files/2011_annual_report/financial_report/index.html
 

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Pat making big claims that things have improved on UCI anti-doping activities that don't add up from my quick review of the annual reports. I need to spend more time on this but only so many hours in the day.

Do we have someone with time, interest and basic financial ability to look at these reports and dig out the specifics on anti-doping activities, budgets, etc.

Volunteers? The data is all there, just needs a few hours of collating. Here's your chance to roll up your sleeves, put the data in a cross comparison table and make a contribution...

http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/UCI2/layout.asp?MenuId=MTk3OA&LangId=1

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/g...bjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NzM1MDA&LangId=1

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/g...bjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NzM1MDE&LangId=1

http://www.uci.ch/Files/2011_annual_report/activities_report/index.html

http://www.uci.ch/Files/2011_annual_report/financial_report/index.html

Also:

The UCI biological passport study discussed on Science in Sport website mentions 20,000 samples from 2008/2009.

And ~2000 samples 2010/2011.

A classic example is Ryder being tested pre-Giro but a 2 month gap in his testing in the lead up races.

So the very top riders are not even being tested once / month. :eek:
 
the big ring said:
A classic example is Ryder being tested pre-Giro but a 2 month gap in his testing in the lead up races.

So the very top riders are not even being tested once / month. :eek:

That is by design. Remember the system was designed to meet both the UCI's and the IOC's criteria for anti-doping which is really "anti-doping controversy."

The opinion that the biological passport program is still mostly a more elaborate IQ test is widespread inside The Clinic and not controversial. It sure looks good from the outside, and that's how the IOC likes it.
 
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Of course they did, you read it in VeloNews. Those jokers are Baghdad Bob for the UCI/USAC/Team Wonderboy. For those of you who don't know Bob, he was the pre-invasion Iraqi press secretary that had some awesome invasion quotes: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes/bljoke-iraqinfominister.htm No comment on the invasion itself, just hilarious Bob.

I cannot urge you enough to stop visiting that site until their editorial policies change.
 

the big ring

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What's worse than Pat McQuaid saying something on the behalf of the UCI? A press officer saying something on the behalf of the UCI...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-responds-to-french-sports-minister-over-armstrong-tour-wins
"The UCI has always said that it would assume its responsibilities, that it did not intend to appeal the USADA's decision and that it would apply sanctions if everything has been done according to the rules. But before having our conduct dictated, the UCI wants to at least have the opportunity to review the file. And waiting for all the parties involved that they follow the same rule of conduct.

"We remember the position of Mr. Zapatero, the Spanish prime minister, who had defended Alberto Contador before being contradicted by the facts and by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS)," he concluded

Is that a veiled threat? Comparing the prime minister of Spain to the USADA and its processes, support from WADA and Sam Sparks, doctors and lawyers?

What the.
 
the big ring said:
What's worse than Pat McQuaid saying something on the behalf of the UCI? A lawyer saying something on the behalf of the UCI...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-responds-to-french-sports-minister-over-armstrong-tour-wins


Is that a veiled threat? Comparing the prime minister of Spain to the USADA and its processes, support from WADA and Sam Sparks, doctors and lawyers?

What the.

Best to prepare for the post UCI review rejecting the USADA Dossiere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSjK2Oqrgic
 

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the big ring

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Faulty Demand Media bots in control of UCI twitter feed?
 

the big ring

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interview with Klaus Mueller, Australian delegate to UCI. You get a good sense on what is keeping Pat in his job, the feeling that "things have improved with the biological passport and recent results have been achieved cleanly". Or have they...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-25/usada-will-make-right-decision-on-armstrong-doping/4222430

I posted this previously. Don't look for the post - I mentioned something about how I feel about him having had him commissaire races I was in. Arrogant lawyers. Nothing worse.
 
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Darach McQuaid tweeted David Walsh last night asking some questions.

@DavidWalshST OK, horse racing, golf, rugby...sports you don't question, in fact you glorify. Time for equal reporting. Are they clean?

@DavidWalshST and I've nothing against golf, but the recent $10m prize just highlights how some sports are out of touch with the real world.

Out of touch with the real world? Laughable. Your brother is suing an innocent journalist in a last ditch attempt to cover the chuckle brothers reign of corruption.

One interesting point is he doesn't appear to be questioning Walsh's accusations. Just begging him to report on some other sports.

Hopefully Darach and Shadetree sports get a good boot in the balls at the end of this as well.
 
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Darach McQuaid tweeted David Walsh last night asking some questions.

@DavidWalshST OK, horse racing, golf, rugby...sports you don't question, in fact you glorify. Time for equal reporting. Are they clean?

@DavidWalshST and I've nothing against golf, but the recent $10m prize just highlights how some sports are out of touch with the real world.

Out of touch with the real world? Laughable. Your brother is suing an innocent journalist in a last ditch attempt to cover the chuckle brothers reign of corruption.
One interesting point is he doesn't appear to be questioning Walsh's accusations. Just begging him to report on some other sports.

Hopefully Darach and Shadetree sports get a good boot in the balls at the end of this as well.

Normal diversionary tactics, seems they all have the Armstrong PR down to a pat;) has anyone involved on the Dark Side even mentioned Kimmage and the fund?
 

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Normal diversionary tactics, seems they all have the Armstrong PR down to a pat;) has anyone involved on the Dark Side even mentioned Kimmage and the fund?

Just the UCI twitter feed :D