Another U.S. Postal Rider confirms systematic doping within team - N.Y. Times

[Elagabalus]

He has admitted to doping during the US Postal and Phonak years but claims he didn't dope in the 06' tour. Get with the program

Goodness gracious me! Another ankle biter! Actually he did admit that he was using a variety of doping products during the 2006 Tdf just not testosterone. The drug he tested positive for.

 

[editedbymod]

This thing is snowballing. Lance needs to shut it down. Its hurting Livestrong. Lance should just sue Landis and be done with him. End of story.

 

[frenchfry]

Landis remains steadfast in his denial that he doped using testo in the 2006 tour. He has never admitted to testo doping. He may have admitted to blood doping (packed cells xfusion) but its not clear he admitted to that specifically in the 2006 tour. If you read his statements carefully he has chosen his words very wisely. He also wants you to believe he won clean. He has only clearly admitted to doping when he was at USPS.

Now that would be an interesting list, admitted dopers who did all their winning clean. LA will admit to doping, mark my words, but he will say it was prior to cancer and everyone else is crazy.

From day 1 Landis admitted to doping during the 2006 TDF. He says he wasn't using T when the positive test was done, but doesn't want to make an issue of that. How the T got into the sample is debatable, but is basically irrelevent to his confession and allegations.

Either you are trying to distort information purposefully, or you have not done the minimum of research before posting inaccuracies.

 

[ManInFull]

This thing is snowballing. Lance needs to shut it down. Its hurting Livestrong. Lance should just sue Landis and be done with him. End of story.

Oh, LA can still do that. But, let's wait until it runs its course. I'd like for Landis' attorney to have ample evidence and testimony to refute an of Lance's claims.

But, maybe you are speaking from the view of a Lance Fanboy?

 

[sheenyp]

This thing is snowballing. Lance needs to shut it down. Its hurting Livestrong. Lance should just sue Landis and be done with him. End of story.

Please let Lance sue Floyd, that would be quite something!

 

[MacRoadie]

He has never admitted to testo doping.

Except that he has stated very clearly in the emails, in written interviews, and on Nightline that his first introduction to doping through Armstrong was trans-dermal testo patches.

 

[Kodiak]

read the story and one thing stuck out. "He never tested positive" when referring to the unnamed rider. Wouldn't it be a riot of the rider was none other than the scammer himself in a plea deal.

 

[flyor64]

Landis remains steadfast in his denial that he doped using testo in the 2006 tour. He has never admitted to testo doping.

You mean like right here?:

"You can try to write it however you want -- the problem I have with even bothering to argue it is [that] I have used testosterone in the past and I have used it in other Tours, and it's going to sound kind of foolish to say I didn't."

He also wants you to believe he won clean. He has only clearly admitted to doping when he was at USPS.

And here?:

As for his own positive test, Landis still maintains that result was inaccurate and that he had not used synthetic testosterone during the 2006 season -- although he now admits he used human growth hormone during that time.

 

[montel]

I've been saying this going on a year but Mr. Weisel floated alot of tech IPO's to many really rich clients. Any caught out when the tech crash occurred would have long and really powerful connections. They'll make criminal examples of the smaller fry that do not cooperate and save the really good tag to hang on the biggest scumbag they can.
This guy allowed amateurs to be doped in his Park City condo while preparing for the Olympics and he was in the house. Eddie B had to lie to some of the amateurs and tell them they were getting B12. This happened beyond the 10 year statute of limitations but plays to the mindset of his sponsorship efforts.
This is not speculation, it is fact and LA lined up with the rest.

A member from the USA Mountainbike team at the Atlanta Olympics told me that the Condo they took over after the USA road team had used it was full of medical waste, syringes, iv bags, etc...They were shocked and upset.

Also, I have been told by a Neo Pro on the Discovery channel team that the team hooked him up to an I.V. - he asked what was in it and they told him he couldn't ride if he asked or didn't take it. My idea is that is the first of many "tests" to see if a rider is willing to follow the program. It could have been just saline - or it could have had something in (doubtful). At any rate I think you would have to pass many tests and steps to get to the top level and be prepared fully.

 

[flyor64]

Except that he has stated very clearly in the emails, in written interviews, and on Nightline that his first introduction to doping through Armstrong was trans-dermal testo patches.

Ah you and frenchfry beat me to it...

It took some tim to post the links and to make it easier to avoid any confusion...

 

[theswordsman]

This thing is snowballing. Lance needs to shut it down. Its hurting Livestrong. Lance should just sue Landis and be done with him. End of story.

Landis was just the start ramp of the Prologue. Floyd could never say another word (he's had months to tell his story to authorities and even Bio Passport doctors) and it wouldn't stop a thing. Other riders have confirmed a lot of what Floyd said, and I'm sure added new stories and leads of their own. Do you really think a lawsuit filed against a private citizen will stop a Federal Grand Jury investigation, or those of national doping agencies networking through WADA and Interpol?

This thread is about ANOTHER US Postal rider whose testimony could stand alone, and who probably has more credibility in a lot of people's eyes.

 

[ManInFull]

read the story and one thing stuck out. "He never tested positive" when referring to the unnamed rider. Wouldn't it be a riot of the rider was none other than the scammer himself in a plea deal.

Ha! Made for TV movie. It has to be some low-level member or maybe it's LL or GH?

 

[MacRoadie]

Ha! Made for TV movie. It has to be some low-level member or maybe it's LL or GH?

Well, Levi tested "positive" with an asterisk, and Jawge's lawyer has inf=dicated they have been contacted, but not subpoenaed so I suppose Jawge would qualify...

 

[spaceboy]

It is certainly interesting to review the former team members and speculate who it may be. My money is on Pat McCarty. My feeling is that 2004 is the key year for the investigation. It would be the year that the fraud took place for the insurance money IIRC.

Interesting to read thru the list of former members and see who got copped for doping after being on Postal/DISCO. I had completely forgotten about Kirk O'Bee.

 

[JRTinMA]

From day 1 Landis admitted to doping during the 2006 TDF. He says he wasn't using T when the positive test was done, but doesn't want to make an issue of that. How the T got into the sample is debatable, but is basically irrelevent to his confession and allegations.

Either you are trying to distort information purposefully, or you have not done the minimum of research before posting inaccuracies.

He admitted to running his own homegrown doping program his first year at Phonak and then embarking on a Phonak sponsored program of doping. He admitted to doping using packed cells. He has never specifically said he doped during the tour. Does it matter, not really but this is what dopers/cheats do, they want to hold on to what little they have. Like Dekker for example, his only bad year was when he doped oddly enough. Or Jalabert who doped but then he didn't, you get it I think.

So to address your statement, no I am not distorting so don't go all BPS and PS on me, don't hate on me for his reign over you, I came on after he was gone.

 

[JRTinMA]

A member from the USA Mountainbike team at the Atlanta Olympics told me that the Condo they took over after the USA road team had used it was full of medical waste, syringes, iv bags, etc...They were shocked and upset.

Also, I have been told by a Neo Pro on the Discovery channel team that the team hooked him up to an I.V. - he asked what was in it and they told him he couldn't ride if he asked or didn't take it. My idea is that is the first of many "tests" to see if a rider is willing to follow the program. It could have been just saline - or it could have had something in (doubtful). At any rate I think you would have to pass many tests and steps to get to the top level and be prepared fully.

This friend of mine told me they were definitely doing an*l probes and nipple clamps too!

 

[galaxy1]

A member from the USA Mountainbike team at the Atlanta Olympics told me that the Condo they took over after the USA road team had used it was full of medical waste, syringes, iv bags, etc...They were shocked and upset.

clean athletes use IVs and syringes

 

[oldschoolnik]

You know I remain skeptical, but I gotta admit, that's pretty damn funny Mac.

Counselor,

When you say "you remain skeptical" do you mean about whether or not any charges against Armstrong will stick or whether any significant charges will come of this against anyone or whether (and I hope you don't mean this) there was systematic doping on Postal incl LA?

PS- your efforts on the "Sticky" thread are apprecited.

Nik

 

[JRTinMA]

clean athletes use IVs and syringes

Syringes yes but IVs are a no no. Can't even hydrate at the end of a long stage using an IV to prep for the next day.

 

[djconnel]

I'm getting tired of whether or how Lance doped.

What I want to see is a list of medications (quantity and type) being taken by members of the US legislature.

Now that would be interesting....

 

[HL2037]

Syringes yes but IVs are a no no. Can't even hydrate at the end of a long stage using an IV to prep for the next day.

Atlanta OL that was in the nineties. Were IV drops also forbidden back then, I thougth that rule was newer? I seem to remember footage of Bjarne Riis being interviewed after a TdF stage lying on a bed with a saline drop in his arm.

 

[Oldman]

A member from the USA Mountainbike team at the Atlanta Olympics told me that the Condo they took over after the USA road team had used it was full of medical waste, syringes, iv bags, etc...They were shocked and upset.

Also, I have been told by a Neo Pro on the Discovery channel team that the team hooked him up to an I.V. - he asked what was in it and they told him he couldn't ride if he asked or didn't take it. My idea is that is the first of many "tests" to see if a rider is willing to follow the program. It could have been just saline - or it could have had something in (doubtful). At any rate I think you would have to pass many tests and steps to get to the top level and be prepared fully.

Interesting because there were separate living arrangements and the "outsiders"-those not direct Pros under LA's banner were definitely treated to an isolated area.
One other note on Weisel: could his constant patronage of USA Cycling and stacking the organization's management with former employees be a link to RICO? Example: laundering of domestic PED positive tests?

 

[kurtinsc]

You mean like right here?:

"You can try to write it however you want -- the problem I have with even bothering to argue it is [that] I have used testosterone in the past and I have used it in other Tours, and it's going to sound kind of foolish to say I didn't."



And here?:

As for his own positive test, Landis still maintains that result was inaccurate and that he had not used synthetic testosterone during the 2006 season -- although he now admits he used human growth hormone during that time.

Question for the chemists as I don't follow the technology of doping that close... I thought HGH was a muscle building thing, used outside of competition to build muscle (at least, that's how I understood it works in baseball). Is it used during races as well... and if so to what point? Does it stop muscle degradation?

 

[JRTinMA]

Atlanta OL that was in the nineties. Were IV drops also forbidden back then, I thougth that rule was newer? I seem to remember footage of Bjarne Riis being interviewed after a TdF stage lying on a bed with a saline drop in his arm.

I'm sure you are correct, I didn't think of the date. I would guess the rule came in after 99 but I could not find any references.

 

[Race Radio]

Question for the chemists as I don't follow the technology of doping that close... I thought HGH was a muscle building thing, used outside of competition to build muscle (at least, that's how I understood it works in baseball). Is it used during races as well... and if so to what point? Does it stop muscle degradation?

Recovery. It is key to recovery. Your body produces it as you sleep.